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A hypothetical reboot in physical size / proportions of an entire line of armor marks? Again, never going to happen.
So what's the big thing that will mean "Everyone is going to be playing Heresy"? Not Xenos, they weren't in it. It has to be something significant, if it's in any way true (which it may not be).
A hypothetical reboot in physical size / proportions of an entire line of armor marks? Again, never going to happen.
So what's the big thing that will mean "Everyone is going to be playing Heresy"? Not Xenos, they weren't in it. It has to be something significant, if it's in any way true (which it may not be).
Looking at my gaming group - more accessible rulebooks & army lists, and balancing the Legions would bring in more players.
Honestly, Xenos weren't in the main story, but part of the story of the Scouring was booting out Xenos and scum that took advantage of the Heresy, so I'm sure some fighting was going on.
Alternatively, when the new production comes online, a big shift to plastic could do it, too... but that would require people to either get marine armies (again), and I doubt people are going to drop their current armies and the current ruleset to play it.
Could just update the Legions for 8th. I would probably run a legion list in 8th if I could.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
Carnikang wrote: Quick question, sort of regarding Primaris and HH.
Are there rules for the Raptor Marines that Corvus Corax was making? I know originally they were just bigger, tougher Marines without any extra organs and we're later corrupted/mutated monsters.
Maybe they could be represented with Primaris proportioned Marines in older marks of armor?
There are no bespoke rules for them, but you could easily run them as Blackshields with the Chymeriae rules for +1 S, +1 T to represent their mutated forms.
A hypothetical reboot in physical size / proportions of an entire line of armor marks? Again, never going to happen.
So what's the big thing that will mean "Everyone is going to be playing Heresy"? Not Xenos, they weren't in it. It has to be something significant, if it's in any way true (which it may not be).
Marketing hype. That's the "big thing".
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
A hypothetical reboot in physical size / proportions of an entire line of armor marks? Again, never going to happen.
So what's the big thing that will mean "Everyone is going to be playing Heresy"? Not Xenos, they weren't in it. It has to be something significant, if it's in any way true (which it may not be).
Marketing hype. That's the "big thing".
Yeah, trying to inject some excitement into a fanbase that's feeling a little downtrodden, methinks.
A hypothetical reboot in physical size / proportions of an entire line of armor marks? Again, never going to happen.
So what's the big thing that will mean "Everyone is going to be playing Heresy"? Not Xenos, they weren't in it. It has to be something significant, if it's in any way true (which it may not be).
Looking at my gaming group - more accessible rulebooks & army lists, and balancing the Legions would bring in more players.
Legions are somewhat balanced, but Primarchs make things uneven for sure. An AP system updated to be like the one we have for 40k would do a lot for useless units and upgrades too.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: In addition to plastic Mk2 I'd like to see a plastic Deimos Rhino and plastic Dreadclaw. The Dreadclaw would get 40k rules. For loyalists. Only.
Well the dreadclaw is about 90% plastic already so that wouldn't be too hard.
Reasonable expectations:
another mk of armour in plastic. Whether Breachers/Assault/Tactical this is likely to happen at some point.
Deimos rhino (and only the rhino itself): possible, more reasonable though since the plastic rhino is fully Heresy/30k usable not sure why
Unreasonable expectations:
Any Legion unique unit. Seriously that would be too small a potential sales list.
Most things bigger than a rhino.
Moving/converting to current 40k rules set. Heresy/30k is it's own thing, porting it at this point (when it could have been done already if it was that important) just isn't worth it
He's serious? Loyalist dreadclaws? What else? Loyalist daemon princes?
I am serious. Remember when they released 2 kinds of pre-Heresy terminators and then gave them rules for loyalists only?
A plastic Dreadclaw would need to be loyalist-only because it wouldn't have the baroque trim that signifies it's a Chaos model. Now presumably they could use the digital assets as a base to add some trim, spikes and screaming faces to make a Chaos Dreadclaw for 40k. But of course they would never actually get around to it because there's no room in the release schedule when you've got floating tanks and primaris lieutenant #37,746 to flog.
He's serious? Loyalist dreadclaws? What else? Loyalist daemon princes?
I am serious. Remember when they released 2 kinds of pre-Heresy terminators and then gave them rules for loyalists only?
A plastic Dreadclaw would need to be loyalist-only because it wouldn't have the baroque trim that signifies it's a Chaos model. Now presumably they could use the digital assets as a base to add some trim, spikes and screaming faces to make a Chaos Dreadclaw for 40k. But of course they would never actually get around to it because there's no room in the release schedule when you've got floating tanks and primaris lieutenant #37,746 to flog.
Ok I get the irony. But all dreadclaws are traitorous. They eat loyalists. That's why the loyalists shot all theirs into space.
He's serious? Loyalist dreadclaws? What else? Loyalist daemon princes?
I am serious. Remember when they released 2 kinds of pre-Heresy terminators and then gave them rules for loyalists only?
A plastic Dreadclaw would need to be loyalist-only because it wouldn't have the baroque trim that signifies it's a Chaos model. Now presumably they could use the digital assets as a base to add some trim, spikes and screaming faces to make a Chaos Dreadclaw for 40k. But of course they would never actually get around to it because there's no room in the release schedule when you've got floating tanks and primaris lieutenant #37,746 to flog.
Ok I get the irony. But all dreadclaws are traitorous. They eat loyalists. That's why the loyalists shot all theirs into space.
I'm sure Cawl could solve that problem.
Anyway, spend enough time as a Chaos player and you eventually realize wishing for stuff from GW is like the monkey's paw.
Me last edition: I wish Thousand Sons could be a standalone army!
GW: Your wish is granted! An army of Thousand Sons goat monsters!
Me: Wait GW! That's not what I wanted!
GW: *haunting monkey noises only I can hear*
So what I'd like to see: plastic mk2, Deimos Rhino, Dreadclaw. Rhino and Dreadclaw get used as a base for new Chaos Rhino and Dreadclaw in 40k. Chaos gets rules for the Dreadclaw in 40k.
What would actually happen: plastic mk2, Deimos Rhino, Dreadclaw. Loyalists get rules for the Dreadclaw in 40k and it can transport primaris marines. Chaos get rules for the Hellforged Dreadclaw which is 20 pts more than the regular Dreadclaw but that's because it regains lost wounds every phase equal to the wounds lost by the passengers it ate.
He's serious? Loyalist dreadclaws? What else? Loyalist daemon princes?
I am serious. Remember when they released 2 kinds of pre-Heresy terminators and then gave them rules for loyalists only?
A plastic Dreadclaw would need to be loyalist-only because it wouldn't have the baroque trim that signifies it's a Chaos model. Now presumably they could use the digital assets as a base to add some trim, spikes and screaming faces to make a Chaos Dreadclaw for 40k. But of course they would never actually get around to it because there's no room in the release schedule when you've got floating tanks and primaris lieutenant #37,746 to flog.
Ok I get the irony. But all dreadclaws are traitorous. They eat loyalists. That's why the loyalists shot all theirs into space.
I'm sure Cawl could solve that problem.
Anyway, spend enough time as a Chaos player and you eventually realize wishing for stuff from GW is like the monkey's paw.
Me last edition: I wish Thousand Sons could be a standalone army!
GW: Your wish is granted! An army of Thousand Sons goat monsters!
Me: Wait GW! That's not what I wanted!
GW: *haunting monkey noises only I can hear*
So what I'd like to see: plastic mk2, Deimos Rhino, Dreadclaw. Rhino and Dreadclaw get used as a base for new Chaos Rhino and Dreadclaw in 40k. Chaos gets rules for the Dreadclaw in 40k.
What would actually happen: plastic mk2, Deimos Rhino, Dreadclaw. Loyalists get rules for the Dreadclaw in 40k and it can transport primaris marines. Chaos get rules for the Hellforged Dreadclaw which is 20 pts more than the regular Dreadclaw but that's because it regains lost wounds every phase equal to the wounds lost by the passengers it ate.
Oh believe me I understand the csm salt.
Me: I wish my 40k night lords could have the 30k "a talent for murder rule ".
Gw: Here you go! Only it's split up between a warlord trait that only works for one character and a stratagem!
But personally I don't care if they make the dreadclaw 100% plastic. It's probably fw's easiest kit. It's literally a drop pod with conversion parts. And it doesn't eat its passengers. I love mine.
If only it could come down first turn like the loyalist's drop pods.
Me last edition: I wish Thousand Sons could be a standalone army!
GW: Your wish is granted! An army of Thousand Sons goat monsters!
I enjoyed this comment, and sympathise. It’s very common for GW to bring out stuff with rules entirely contrary to the fluff – especially when used to create anything resembling a competitive build. This has long been the case in 30k and 40k. The Tsons goats are perhaps an unusually extreme example of this.
The amazing thing is that there are still people who think GW brings stuff out with rules that are too good on purpose, to sell models. You only have to look at the amount of time they put into creating new chaos marines, terminators and so on – none of which are any real use – to see that this is not the case.
Sometimes there’s a new model that’s too good, like the Castellan. Even that came out alongside the Valiant, which is trash, and the pretty average Armigers. The recently released Eldar vs DE box contained a ton of very nice new (and old) models of which maybe one, Drazhar, is any good.
Haha that’s true about new models. The new CSM might be the most heavily skewed I’ve ever owned on good model/crap rules.
I’d be tempted to buy into HH if they upscaled the marines, however I’d feel so bad for everyone that owns thousands of pounds worth of FW resin mini marines if they did it. GW would have to think long and hard about the risk of their entire customer base seeing their arse and quitting if there’s any real scale change.
phillv85 wrote: Haha that’s true about new models. The new CSM might be the most heavily skewed I’ve ever owned on good model/crap rules.
I’d be tempted to buy into HH if they upscaled the marines, however I’d feel so bad for everyone that owns thousands of pounds worth of FW resin mini marines if they did it. GW would have to think long and hard about the risk of their entire customer base seeing their arse and quitting if there’s any real scale change.
You mean like how all those 7th edition Space Marine players upped and quit once the Primaris were revealed? They weren't just a real scale change, but a drastic change in lore and as someone else so astutely noted brought HH concepts into 40k.
phillv85 wrote: Haha that’s true about new models. The new CSM might be the most heavily skewed I’ve ever owned on good model/crap rules.
I’d be tempted to buy into HH if they upscaled the marines, however I’d feel so bad for everyone that owns thousands of pounds worth of FW resin mini marines if they did it. GW would have to think long and hard about the risk of their entire customer base seeing their arse and quitting if there’s any real scale change.
They already did it in 40K and there are way more 40K marine players than there are HH players.
phillv85 wrote: Haha that’s true about new models. The new CSM might be the most heavily skewed I’ve ever owned on good model/crap rules.
I’d be tempted to buy into HH if they upscaled the marines, however I’d feel so bad for everyone that owns thousands of pounds worth of FW resin mini marines if they did it. GW would have to think long and hard about the risk of their entire customer base seeing their arse and quitting if there’s any real scale change.
They already did it in 40K and there are way more 40K marine players than there are HH players.
Yea but this game is based on Space Marines and has a very passionate following from what I can see. I’m not saying all players would quit, just it’s a risk to potentially alienate your entire player base. 40k is different, most people have marines, but they’re not always their main army. (I know there’s more than just marines in HH of course, but I imagine most players play marines)
A hypothetical reboot in physical size / proportions of an entire line of armor marks? Again, never going to happen.
So what's the big thing that will mean "Everyone is going to be playing Heresy"? Not Xenos, they weren't in it. It has to be something significant, if it's in any way true (which it may not be).
Looking at my gaming group - more accessible rulebooks & army lists, and balancing the Legions would bring in more players.
The game was pretty good before the Ad Mech and Axu showed up. Once that happened, the spam problem really hit it hard, especially with Phosphex rounds. I played Ultramarines for about a year an a half, and in general, I enjoyed the games I got to play. I'd rather see it in 8th edition rules (AV/Weapon Facing is just dumb to me) but, I could tolerate it if they balanced out the other factions.
A hypothetical reboot in physical size / proportions of an entire line of armor marks? Again, never going to happen.
So what's the big thing that will mean "Everyone is going to be playing Heresy"? Not Xenos, they weren't in it. It has to be something significant, if it's in any way true (which it may not be).
Looking at my gaming group - more accessible rulebooks & army lists, and balancing the Legions would bring in more players.
The game was pretty good before the Ad Mech and Axu showed up. Once that happened, the spam problem really hit it hard, especially with Phosphex rounds. I played Ultramarines for about a year an a half, and in general, I enjoyed the games I got to play. I'd rather see it in 8th edition rules (AV/Weapon Facing is just dumb to me) but, I could tolerate it if they balanced out the other factions.
Not to mention when custodes hit, that 3++ rerolable captain with eternal warrior that could more or less tank about anything, beat primarch in cc for half his price...then that wound allocating senenigans on just about everything in their army. If custodes player made competent army(meaning, I just won't walk across the field with custodes) they could have had like 30% less points and still easily win that match vs marines.
They should really convert most of their resin kit to plastic and allow waylandgames to sell them with 20% discount. In my area there too many friends who are actually playing HOLUS HELESY.
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