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 Yodhrin wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I think people are being a bit too optimistic regarding plastic kits. Considering the cost of manufacturing new moulds for them, I can't see a great deal more being made for the HH.

People need to remember that GW's entire plastics pipeline is in-house, including milling the molds. If they can afford to tool plastic molds for Ambots and Kal Jericho & Scabbs, they can afford to do it for the basic infantry of an entire game system/setting. Whether they will or not is another thing, but if they don't it won't be because of the cost to them.

I also think that with the increased prevalence of recasts, FW moving to plastics might provide some advantages that might spurn pirates. Plus durability and maintenance is probably lower as the moulds aren't as sensitive compared to the resin moulds.

JWBS wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
I like the plasma guys but they have a very silly name (Dreadwing Interemptors)

Murderer (Latin)

It never dawned on me that it might be Latin...

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I think people are being a bit too optimistic regarding plastic kits. Considering the cost of manufacturing new moulds for them, I can't see a great deal more being made for the HH.

People need to remember that GW's entire plastics pipeline is in-house, including milling the molds. If they can afford to tool plastic molds for Ambots and Kal Jericho & Scabbs, they can afford to do it for the basic infantry of an entire game system/setting. Whether they will or not is another thing, but if they don't it won't be because of the cost to them.

I also think that with the increased prevalence of recasts, FW moving to plastics might provide some advantages that might spurn pirates. Plus durability and maintenance is probably lower as the moulds aren't as sensitive compared to the resin moulds.

if GW wanted to make everything in plastic they could. The community may not like the pricing for it tho as the kits would probably cost the same as resin or more since they will invariably add more detail/options/whatever.

They have the technology, they have the will, do they have the guts? I hope that they do something to say feth off to recasters.

At the moment FW couldn't do it all in plastic, the GW plastic pipeline is overfilled at the moment (one reason some terrain is cast in china)

the holdup is machine time/no of machines more than money which is the big problem for small independants as they have to pay 3rd party rates for sculpting/parting out/mould making & casting.

Doing it in house GW cuts a lot of these costs but there is still a limit which is how many new moulds can they cut and refine (and that's not quick) and how many new sprues can the make each month while still producing all their older stuff (balancing holding stock in the warehouse with warhousing costs and space)

now when the factory & warehouse expansions (and the electricity grid fix) are done they might have spare capacity, but given the number of shortages & specialist games they now have going it might be they'll just be comfortable again

IMHO we're more likely to see some plastic squads of other types. a plastic HH assault squad with a older style jump pack might be pretty popular.

Plastic Mk2

I'll believe in more plastic 30K marines when I see them. I don't think the demand is really there for a game with a very small but loyal customer base that isn't growing.

Whilst I can see a possible demand for Mk.II, I dunno it there's enough of a demand out there to justify a Mk.VI and especially a Mk.V set of plastic Marines.

And I say that as someone who really likes Mk.V (I might be the only one!).

The one Raven Guard guy might like all the beakies a mark 6 Box Would bring.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And I say that as someone who really likes Mk.V (I might be the only one!).

You are not, I really like it as well; probably my favourite old-marine armour mark.

I'd love to get a plastic set of HH armor marks reproportioned to primaris style. I'd be fine with them staying the original height though so as not to cause confusion. If they can tool sprues for single figs only available one year at special events, they could do it for a HH themed board game box too.

I'll also second the wish for a Great Crusade pre-Heresy expansion as well.

Edit: Android "auto" correct is equally over aggressive as it is stupid.

 Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And I say that as someone who really likes Mk.V (I might be the only one!).

You are not, I really like it as well; probably my favourite old-marine armour mark.

Agreed. Mark V for us heretics! I don't think a lot of people understand just how many people like using the hh marks for 40k.

I use hh marks for all my chosen/terror squads.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And I say that as someone who really likes Mk.V (I might be the only one!).

I don't understand why they even make non-MkV miniatures. Everything else is so ugly. Especially the MkIV. The helmet on that thing is just awful.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And I say that as someone who really likes Mk.V (I might be the only one!).

You are not, I really like it as well; probably my favourite old-marine armour mark.

Agreed. Mark V for us heretics! I don't think a lot of people understand just how many people like using the hh marks for 40k.

I use hh marks for all my chosen/terror squads.

I had planned for my Space Wolves to use Mk.II and III for long fangs, Mk.IV and V for grey hunters, and Mk.VI and VII for blood claws. So the two box games gave me a solid start on this.

Bob Lorgar wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And I say that as someone who really likes Mk.V (I might be the only one!).

I don't understand why they even make non-MkV miniatures. Everything else is so ugly. Especially the MkIV. The helmet on that thing is just awful.

I suspect you'rte in the minority, the MK X armor is clearly based on the MK IV helm and I bet GW did it because market studies showed it was the favorite.

Personally my favorite helm is the MK III though.

Bob Lorgar wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And I say that as someone who really likes Mk.V (I might be the only one!).

I don't understand why they even make non-MkV miniatures. Everything else is so ugly. Especially the MkIV. The helmet on that thing is just awful.

Although I personally like the mark IV helm that's why you switch out to the helm of your legion of choice. Heretics should be encouraged to mix/match different marks.

Terror squad helms ftw.

BrianDavion wrote:
I suspect you'rte in the minority, the MK X armor is clearly based on the MK IV helm and I bet GW did it because market studies showed it was the favorite.

Another reason I don't like Primaris Marines: I'm not a fan of Mk.IV armour.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Whilst I can see a possible demand for Mk.II, I dunno it there's enough of a demand out there to justify a Mk.VI and especially a Mk.V set of plastic Marines.

And I say that as someone who really likes Mk.V (I might be the only one!).

Iirc the last tactical squad box had the parts for two complete suits of corvus mk vi armor. Assault squad has at least one complete set. And I think there are enough parts for for a complete veteran suit in both the stern guard and vanguard kits.


If they were going to do a new plastic box, they dont need terminators again. A squad of 3 outsiders in plastic could take their place. And maybe a rapier carrier in place of the big model.

That's true. Mk.VI isn't hard to do from the existing kits, so much so that they'd probably never need to do a full kit (unless they go full-retro and give them RT-era style weapons including the original bolters).

they'll wanna go with something that is used in 40k as well to maximize sales, they could even do a mix, such as a MK VI assault squad, a MK III Heavy weapons squad, and a MK V tac squad.

or they could do something like a special weapons squad, which would be a popular source for special weapons among 40k marine players

BrianDavion wrote:
they'll wanna go with something that is used in 40k as well to maximize sales...

Well there's the kicker. It ain't Primaris, so...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
they'll wanna go with something that is used in 40k as well to maximize sales...

Well there's the kicker. It ain't Primaris, so...

eh basic "old marines" are still in use now, maybe in ten years they won't be, but put out a pack of MK VI assault marines, just for example, and you'll see a lot of people buy it. (raven guard players will go absolutely nuts in partiuclar)

Plastic MkII armour would be an auto-buy for me. It's my favourite Mk of armour and it pains me to no end that FW discontinued it.

Were they to do a battle box similar to BaC/BoP that tied in with the upcoming Thramas Crusade book, then I think it'd do well.
It could also open up some interesting choices for them to do in plastic. As mentioned above, they've done both termintors Mks. A plastic contemptor is also done.

Given the nature of Night Lords, I think an assault squad wouldn't be out of the question. But it could also present an interesting opportunity to do some plastic jetbikes maybe. Whether they be a rehash of the FW jetbikes (which would be awesome) or a new take on something like the old Bullock jetcycles or something similar to Sammaels jetbike.
This could even be a good way for them to get out a plastic Deimos rhino. The whole box could be based around fast moving, hit 'n' run "chase" style battle.

I think we'd be looking at something along the lines of...
-MkII Praetor on foot.
-30 suits of MkII armour
-3 Jetbikes
-5 Assault marines or a transport option.
+ another HQ option of some description. (Hopefully generic HQ options, as the legion specific HQs in BoP were a bit of disappointment.)

Compare that to BaC which was
-Terminator Praetor
-Consul (chaplain)
-30 MkIV
-5 Cataphractii
-1 Dreadnought.

and BoP which had
-2 consuls(?)
-30 MkIII
-5 Terminators
-10 Custodes/Sisters of silence.

Would it be too much to dream of plastic night raptors that could then be used in 40k as well? Possibly with veteran stats?

I would suggest, fairly strongly, that there will never be primaris in Horus Heresy. (although I've been considering using some of them as the basis for Gal Vorbak conversions as they're a closer size to those models).

As to plastics in HH, specialist games are a sizeable offshoot of Forge World, not Citadel, and they've produced a large number of plastic basic kits with support/expansion pieces in resin. It's not unreasonable to see similar in the future for the HH, along the lines of basic marines and small vehicles.

And, lastly, and I suggest this very strongly indeed, there will not be any conversion of the Heresy to 40k 8th edition. The two games have gone their separate ways, this frees the HH writers to cherrypick what they like and ignore what they don't like in rules going forward.

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Would it be too much to dream of plastic night raptors that could then be used in 40k as well? Possibly with veteran stats?

Yes.

Games Workshop has no interest in producing kits like that.

 blood reaper wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Would it be too much to dream of plastic night raptors that could then be used in 40k as well? Possibly with veteran stats?

Yes.

Games Workshop has no interest in producing kits like that.

They have no interest in making good CSM rules in general so

Quick question, sort of regarding Primaris and HH.

Are there rules for the Raptor Marines that Corvus Corax was making? I know originally they were just bigger, tougher Marines without any extra organs and we're later corrupted/mutated monsters.
Maybe they could be represented with Primaris proportioned Marines in older marks of armor?

Primaris in 30k? Never
A hypothetical reboot in physical size / proportions of an entire line of armor marks? Again, never going to happen.

I'd actually buy in again and stop using the few old school minis if I could get an entire realistically sized set of Astartes and Army and Agents. However I don't play GW rules anymore with my stuff anyways so I am not anything like their target audience.

 Carnikang wrote:
Quick question, sort of regarding Primaris and HH.

Are there rules for the Raptor Marines that Corvus Corax was making? I know originally they were just bigger, tougher Marines without any extra organs and we're later corrupted/mutated monsters.
Maybe they could be represented with Primaris proportioned Marines in older marks of armor?

There are no current official rules for them.