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What is it you think is a problem here? His arguing that he was sacked for his veganism? That certainly seems not to be the case but misleading dismissal cases are hardly rare or unique to any demographic.
Is it that he's seeking to have veganism protected as a belief? Why doesn't it qualify and in what ways would this recognition be a problem?
Heh, that's pretty funny. Honestly, though, this is kind of a chicken and egg situation, isn't it? All my friends who are lawyers say that pretty much half of the money we as a society spend on having a legal system is spent dealing with delusional overly litigious types who are willing to spend all their money on unimaginably stupid legal battles, and there's only so fast the legislature can dismiss them.
The only reason you hear about this guy and not Carol Spurnbongler's nineteenth attempt to sue her landlord because she's certain he's sending trained pigeons to poop on her car is because people love to hate vegans. They're an easy societal boogeyman and "Vegan sues business because he says Veganism is a religion!!!" is a great way to get clicks.
What is it you think is a problem here? His arguing that he was sacked for his veganism? That certainly seems not to be the case but misleading dismissal cases are hardly rare or unique to any demographic.
Is it that he's seeking to have veganism protected as a belief? Why doesn't it qualify and in what ways would this recognition be a problem?
Well, let's see, replace the word "Vegan" in that article with "Buddhist" and replace Johnny Punchableface McClickbait with an older asian dude, and see if you think it would be immoral to fire someone for that belief.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
ValentineGames wrote: It's why it's funny you get people telling you to try living off a plant based diet and automatically assume you own a proper fridge or freezer.
When all I own is a wooden cupboard that fell off the wall.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say the vast majority of people have either a fridge or freezer and that your situation is in fact the outlier, not the norm.
Of course, if the overwhelming number of posters here do in fact also only have exclusively non-temperature-controlled wooden boxes to store their food in, speak up; I would consider myself corrected.
We hang our meat strips in the salt cave. If we leave them in there for more than theee days, we have to burn the bear paste and scream the demons out of the meat before we feast.
What is it you think is a problem here? His arguing that he was sacked for his veganism? That certainly seems not to be the case but misleading dismissal cases are hardly rare or unique to any demographic.
Is it that he's seeking to have veganism protected as a belief? Why doesn't it qualify and in what ways would this recognition be a problem?
Well, let's see, replace the word "Vegan" in that article with "Buddhist" and replace Johnny Punchableface McClickbait with an older asian dude, and see if you think it would be immoral to fire someone for that belief.
Errr, I'm not sure you've caught the meaning of my post. I thought the context made the point of the questions clear, but if not: I'm asking if helgrenze has a problem with veganism being protected as a belief and if so, why, because I think it's fine.
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Don't forget the vegan lady that sued her neighbors for grilling in their own back yard.
The ones that then went full vengeance and had a giant BBQ full of meat where all kinds of people showed up to grill more meat for the sole reason of pissing the vegan lady off?
Don't forget the vegan lady that sued her neighbors for grilling in their own back yard.
Or the one suing Burger King because he "tasted meat on his Impossible Whopper."
Of all the races of the universe the Squats have the longest memories and the shortest tempers. They are uncouth, unpredictably violent, and frequently drunk. Overall, I'm glad they're on our side!
Office of Naval Intelligence Research discovers 3 out of 4 sailors make up 75% of U.S. Navy.
"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
Or the people contributing to worldwide ecological collapse because they have internalised that eating meat is manly and are so insecure in their masculinity that they have to make a big deal out of it to let everyone know how red blooded they are!
If that is a case of cross contamination (e.g the impossible burger was cooked on the same grill as meat ones) then that is very much a valid complaint. An impossible burger covered in beef fat is not vegetarian/vegan. Selling it as such is false advertising.
But by all means, don't let facts and context get in the way of your outrage seeking.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
Don't forget the vegan lady that sued her neighbors for grilling in their own back yard.
The ones that then went full vengeance and had a giant BBQ full of meat where all kinds of people showed up to grill more meat for the sole reason of pissing the vegan lady off?
Being a crap human being comes in many forms.
Man, people really are so caught up in this new millennial cancel culture. Snowflakes.
Small claims courts around the world deal with THOUSANDS of inordinately petty neighborly disputes per day.
Again, the reason you heard about this one is because click-hungry news outlets know all they have to do is print the word "Vegan" and you'll click it, outraged. They didn't type up the story of old man johnson suing his neighbor for deliberately growing their gol-durned pear tree close to his property line so it drops rotting fruit into his yard because it doesn't fit the "outrageous offended vegan" narrative.
A lawsuit was brought to the court. It was immediately dismissed. and your response here in a perfect world would be...what? To not allow people to bring lawsuits?
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Heh, that's pretty funny. Honestly, though, this is kind of a chicken and egg situation, isn't it? All my friends who are lawyers say that pretty much half of the money we as a society spend on having a legal system is spent dealing with delusional overly litigious types who are willing to spend all their money on unimaginably stupid legal battles, and there's only so fast the legislature can dismiss them.
The only reason you hear about this guy and not Carol Spurnbongler's nineteenth attempt to sue her landlord because she's certain he's sending trained pigeons to poop on her car is because people love to hate vegans. They're an easy societal boogeyman and "Vegan sues business because he says Veganism is a religion!!!" is a great way to get clicks.
What is it you think is a problem here? His arguing that he was sacked for his veganism? That certainly seems not to be the case but misleading dismissal cases are hardly rare or unique to any demographic.
Is it that he's seeking to have veganism protected as a belief? Why doesn't it qualify and in what ways would this recognition be a problem?
Well, let's see, replace the word "Vegan" in that article with "Buddhist" and replace Johnny Punchableface McClickbait with an older asian dude, and see if you think it would be immoral to fire someone for that belief.
If he was a Buddhist, especially a specific sect of Buddhism that carry small brooms to gently sweep their path so as to not step on any insects, it wouldn't be an issue for the courts, would it?
IF this wins in court, would Pastafarians also be protected? How about Erisians? What about Flat Earthers?
Where does it stop?
Of all the races of the universe the Squats have the longest memories and the shortest tempers. They are uncouth, unpredictably violent, and frequently drunk. Overall, I'm glad they're on our side!
Office of Naval Intelligence Research discovers 3 out of 4 sailors make up 75% of U.S. Navy.
"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
Da Boss wrote: Or the people contributing to worldwide ecological collapse because they have internalised that eating meat is manly and are so insecure in their masculinity that they have to make a big deal out of it to let everyone know how red blooded they are!
(Am I doing this right?)
Not really, you haven’t used the term “toxic”, nor there is enough passive aggressiveness.
And the lack of Greta Whatshername’s quote is disturbing.
Good effort on dragging in “masculinity” and blaming non-vegans for the apocalypse though, you get points for that.
Heh, that's pretty funny. Honestly, though, this is kind of a chicken and egg situation, isn't it? All my friends who are lawyers say that pretty much half of the money we as a society spend on having a legal system is spent dealing with delusional overly litigious types who are willing to spend all their money on unimaginably stupid legal battles, and there's only so fast the legislature can dismiss them.
The only reason you hear about this guy and not Carol Spurnbongler's nineteenth attempt to sue her landlord because she's certain he's sending trained pigeons to poop on her car is because people love to hate vegans. They're an easy societal boogeyman and "Vegan sues business because he says Veganism is a religion!!!" is a great way to get clicks.
What is it you think is a problem here? His arguing that he was sacked for his veganism? That certainly seems not to be the case but misleading dismissal cases are hardly rare or unique to any demographic.
Is it that he's seeking to have veganism protected as a belief? Why doesn't it qualify and in what ways would this recognition be a problem?
Well, let's see, replace the word "Vegan" in that article with "Buddhist" and replace Johnny Punchableface McClickbait with an older asian dude, and see if you think it would be immoral to fire someone for that belief.
If he was a Buddhist, especially a specific sect of Buddhism that carry small brooms to gently sweep their path so as to not step on any insects, it wouldn't be an issue for the courts, would it?
IF this wins in court, would Pastafarians also be protected? How about Erisians? What about Flat Earthers?
Where does it stop?
The article you linked actually sets out explicitly where it stops.
Heh, that's pretty funny. Honestly, though, this is kind of a chicken and egg situation, isn't it? All my friends who are lawyers say that pretty much half of the money we as a society spend on having a legal system is spent dealing with delusional overly litigious types who are willing to spend all their money on unimaginably stupid legal battles, and there's only so fast the legislature can dismiss them.
The only reason you hear about this guy and not Carol Spurnbongler's nineteenth attempt to sue her landlord because she's certain he's sending trained pigeons to poop on her car is because people love to hate vegans. They're an easy societal boogeyman and "Vegan sues business because he says Veganism is a religion!!!" is a great way to get clicks.
What is it you think is a problem here? His arguing that he was sacked for his veganism? That certainly seems not to be the case but misleading dismissal cases are hardly rare or unique to any demographic.
Is it that he's seeking to have veganism protected as a belief? Why doesn't it qualify and in what ways would this recognition be a problem?
Well, let's see, replace the word "Vegan" in that article with "Buddhist" and replace Johnny Punchableface McClickbait with an older asian dude, and see if you think it would be immoral to fire someone for that belief.
If he was a Buddhist, especially a specific sect of Buddhism that carry small brooms to gently sweep their path so as to not step on any insects, it wouldn't be an issue for the courts, would it?
IF this wins in court, would Pastafarians also be protected? How about Erisians? What about Flat Earthers?
Where does it stop?
The article you linked actually sets out explicitly where it stops.
Mhm. And what if the person who sues Chipotle for making her poodle racist wins in court, that would -
oh, too late, it's been three seconds, no time to check if the court case gets dismissed like all the others we're on to the next moral outrage now!
Surely THIS time the fabric of society will collapse, and small court claims pre-dismissal aren't a ready made source for any political agenda to generate an endless diarrhetic stream of clickbait.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Can we please use “carnivore” or “omnivore” to describe someone who eats meat and leave the term “carnist” for something far more interesting (and not food related)? That’s too good a term to waste here.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Can we please use “carnivore” or “omnivore” to describe someone who eats meat and leave the term “carnist” for something far more interesting (and not food related)? That’s too good a term to waste here.
It sounds like Lady Gaga's fashion designer's official job description.
"They've called me many things, daaahling, a butcher, a hideous meat-tailor, a madwoman. But I, I am a carnist."
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
the_scotsman wrote: Either way, first day of veganuary went pretty good. crispy tofu with panko breadcrumbs and fried rice with teriyaki and mushrooms. Total cost 5.50 for each of us, not counting the fraction of the bag of breadcrumbs, oil, and sauces and spices we used.
Congratulations on (I think) being the first person to actually try this out from one of these threads. Please keep us posted!
BobtheInquisitor wrote:We hang our meat strips in the salt cave. If we leave them in there for more than theee days, we have to burn the bear paste and scream the demons out of the meat before we feast.
Huh. I find the demons really give it that extra umami but to each their own I guess. At least you're avoiding the really awful heartburn\possession.
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Da Boss wrote:Or the people contributing to worldwide ecological collapse because they have internalised that eating meat is manly and are so insecure in their masculinity that they have to make a big deal out of it to let everyone know how red blooded they are!
(Am I doing this right?)
If by "doing this right" you mean constant hyperbolization without actually refuting points or contributing other than "NO U", then absolutely.
Don't forget the vegan lady that sued her neighbors for grilling in their own back yard.
The ones that then went full vengeance and had a giant BBQ full of meat where all kinds of people showed up to grill more meat for the sole reason of pissing the vegan lady off?
Being a crap human being comes in many forms.
I know, right? Especially since they did that massive grill thing first and not after being provoked.
Oh, wait...
Excommunicatus wrote:Yeah man, vegans suck. Comin' over 'ere, exercising their fundamental legal, consumer and employment rights.
The sheer [Expletive Deleted] nerve of it.
Also, good catch on the BBQ lady. Veganism destroyed. No carnist ever filed a stupid lawsuit.
NOT ONCE EVER.
PS - To whomever asked, if you eat plant-based but wear leather shoes you are a "dietary vegan", but not an "ethical vegan".
Infringing upon someone else's rights is where their fundamental legal, consumer, and employment rights end. At least in some Western countries.
Also, good catch on seeing that she attempted two more times after the first lawsuit was dismissed. Oh, wait. You didn't, because it backs up the others' points.
Isn't the point behind eating food that has no links to animal usage, products, or inherent animal suffering an ethical point as well? If not, then it doesn't matter WHAT vegetables you eat as long as there's no animal biomatter on there.
It doesn't matter what she did, because one person doesn't speak for the whole. Fred Phelps doesn't represent Christianity. Ed Kemper doesn't represent Californians. BBQ Lady doesn't represent vegans.
Everything you've posted has been refuted.
And again, veganism destroyed because you erected a strawman in the gap where your knowledge of what veganism is should be and then smashed it to pieces with wholly irrelevant semantics.
Once again, there's a difference between vegetarianism and veganism, and the sidebar in this thread is the softselling of that disparity and the counterpointing by those who know the difference is pretty drastic.
Long story short, what is being asked is to cut animal food items and go vegetarian for a month to see the difference in overall wellness, but with a side of vegan softsell as, per the usual, the end goal is to convert as many people as possible to your way of thinking. Period.
None of this you can refute, just as none of anything else have you refuted. You've made snide remarks extremely dismissive of anyone who speaks contrary to your talking points, and only cherry pick comments that you can lock, stock, and barrel counter. Which is also why you'll notice there's much more dismissiveness from you than any actual linked counterfacts.
Excommunicatus wrote: Two clicks, including one on the link in the OP, is all it takes to show that - again - you're very loud but very wrong.
Milk, eggs, cheese, honey... All permissible in a vegetarian diet. None are in a vegan diet.
You really should click on the OP link. It is designed exactly to helo people who don't know anything about veganism.
I know more than enough about veganism, I've had enough vegans in my social circle to know more than enough.
Let's try it a slightly different way: Eating Kosher and practicing Orthodox Judaism. Are they the same? Neither is an animal free diet and veganism. One is nutritional alteration, the other is most assuredly not.
Press X to Doubt. Do you tell them your obviously made-up story about getting spit-on, too?
Cool story. You should go on Facebook, sign up to every vegan group you can find and let loose the well actuallys.
Nobody - literally nobody - claimed that dietary veganism and ethical veganism are the same thing. Nobody claimed you can't be a dietary vegan if you aren't an ethical vegan.
This argument springs solely from your overconfidence seeping into the large gaps in your knowledge, 'cause you are demonstrably all over the shop. How you possibly think setting up preconditions in your own mind and then using your misunderstanding of veganism to make it fail the test you rigged against it is of any value whatsoever is quite, quite beyond me.
Click the link. I guarantee you'll learn a lot. Try it for a month. I guarantee you'll feel better.
You'll be smartier and sexier. There is no downside.
Da Boss wrote: Or the people contributing to worldwide ecological collapse because they have internalised that eating meat is manly and are so insecure in their masculinity that they have to make a big deal out of it to let everyone know how red blooded they are!
(Am I doing this right?)
Not really, you haven’t used the term “toxic”, nor there is enough passive aggressiveness.
And the lack of Greta Whatshername’s quote is disturbing.
Good effort on dragging in “masculinity” and blaming non-vegans for the apocalypse though, you get points for that.
And for completely ignoring the counterpoint. Everytime the ecological aspect gets brought up I point out that the problem isn't people eating meat but that there's too many people eating too much meat, and that the whole world going vegan is at best a stopgap measure, because the core problem is that there's too many of us, not what we eat. It always gets completely ignored.
There aren't too many people on the planet, even for just existing farmland. Even if not a single additional acre was converted to farmland, we would still have many centuries before we had too many people for the amount of food we could produce. Assuming of course that all food was distributed equitably to everybody on the planet with magic. Every body could even still eat meat if this was done.
Which is where the real reason that hunger exists in the world is revealed. Its not that there isn't enough food, its that the food and the people who are starving can't get to each other. Specific areas of the planet have way too many people for the food that can be produced locally. In others, people simply cannot afford basic necessities even though they are available. In famine ridden areas, local warlords often steal food shipments sent in humanitarian relief, meaning it never gets to those who need it. And local farmers go out of business because of imported foods driving prices down, and so the local food supply dries up.
Poverty and hunger are socioeconomic problems, not ecological problems. This planet is not going to fail to give everybody food for many millions of years yet, even if people keep eating meat.
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