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Yes because the best way to teach people how to paint is a 2 hour video about color theory and painting technique, "And here's the final product! Go find your own color, dont copy me peasant!"

More techniques and different ways to paint? honestly the "Here is how you paint X" videos are the worst among the painting videos because rather then teach people how to paint in general, they teach them how to paint on specific model in one specific color scheme. you are teaching someone to copy you, not to be a better painter.

But there's already a billion channels out there doing that. I have no use for Duncan precisely because I'm at a point where he doesn't teach me anything new, and given I don't generally paint GW, even the colour recipes isn't all that relevant.

I'm not going to complain about that though, as clearly he's offering something that people respond to, god knows there's plenty of people out there who struggle with painting, and learning by rote is a decent first step before you evolve to doing your own thing.

Chopstick wrote:
Yes because the best way to teach people how to paint is a 2 hour video about color theory and painting technique, "And here's the final product! Go find your own color, dont copy me peasant!"

Yeah.......it is. MAybe not two hours, but it can be.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Yes because the best way to teach people how to paint is a 2 hour video about color theory and painting technique, "And here's the final product! Go find your own color, dont copy me peasant!"

Yeah.......it is. MAybe not two hours, but it can be.

Nobody who just starting out would have the time to invest, or even understand what happen in that kind of video. The best way to start out is always copying until you get an idea and understand of the basic, wanting people to invest into painting (as a hobby) by forcing them not to paint, but hearing lecture is probably the best way to scare them away,

I've never understood the fuss around Duncan (I don't want to bash him or anything like that) or WHTW, I get that he's very likable guy and good infront of the camera,
but as for the painting is very mediocre. I've never liked it actually, because the tutorial are very limited and when you see one you actually seen them all.
The only thing that changes are the recipes. Do you really need that many tutorials that are always the same?

The style is always the same and you will stagnate following those tutorials. I've never seen them mixing paints except lahmian medium.
Where are wet blending, loaded brush technique, two brush blending, glazing, feathering technique, mixing all kind of various paints to get different tones.
There are all kinds of different techniques and materials to use and learn.
It seems like the tutorials are to maximize wasting paints so the people would buy more. Just look how much paint is wasted because they don't use a wet palette.

Without a doubt the number one tip should be how to make a wet palette. I can not take a painter seriously when he's not using a wet palette.
Every good painter at least those who make tutorials use one.
You will improve enormously by using one.

There are so many brilliant painters with amazing and quality tutorials on the youtube for people to learn, with every kind of techiques possible.

I thought the corporate GW held Duncan down, shoving GW painting style down peoples throats but looking at the video it's exactly same just with a different editing.
FFS still no wet palette.

Nonetheless I wish him all the best and I hope he succeeds and grow as a painter. I'm happy he left GW.

Chopstick wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Yes because the best way to teach people how to paint is a 2 hour video about color theory and painting technique, "And here's the final product! Go find your own color, dont copy me peasant!"

Yeah.......it is. MAybe not two hours, but it can be.

Nobody who just starting out would have the time to invest, or even understand what happen in that kind of video. The best way to start out is always copying until you get an idea and understand of the basic, wanting people to invest into painting (as a hobby) by forcing them not to paint, but hearing lecture is probably the best way to scare them away,

I mean, what do you think is better?
"Here is a way to paint this model, and only this model"
or
"Here is a Breakdown of the layering technique and how to apply it across multiple models.



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 Modock wrote:

The style is always the same and you will stagnate following those tutorials. I've never seen them mixing paints except lahmian medium.
Where are wet blending, loaded brush technique, two brush flending, glazing, feathering technique, mixing all kind of various paints to get different tones.

Thats pretty much it, There are so many ways to get better, but this videos are not made with the idea of getting better, but showing you how to paint one specific model.
Whenever i talk to people who want to get better at painting and look at my stuff, i inevitably hear one thing
"what paints did you use" and my answer is "IDK, what looked good at the time" They want to copy you, not make their own stuff
Because it isnt the paints you use, its the techniques and knowledge of said techniques.
Its also like when people ask to improve they say "I followed X tutorial" and im like, there is your problem, you are following a tutorial rather than making your own path

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Yes because the best way to teach people how to paint is a 2 hour video about color theory and painting technique, "And here's the final product! Go find your own color, dont copy me peasant!"

Yeah.......it is. MAybe not two hours, but it can be.

I disagree.

JWBS wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Yes because the best way to teach people how to paint is a 2 hour video about color theory and painting technique, "And here's the final product! Go find your own color, dont copy me peasant!"

Yeah.......it is. MAybe not two hours, but it can be.

I paint better than you and I disagree with what you've said here.

I dont think i have ever posted anything on here. so
1: How would you know
2: My opinion has nothing to do with skill level and more about my personal experiance.
I got better, atleast IMO, when i stopped apeing others and created my own way to paint.

Not everyone feels the need to constantly improve as a painter. Some people just wanna get their stuff non-grey. He has a market, and not everyone is going to fall into it, but such is life.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Not everyone feels the need to constantly improve as a painter. Some people just wanna get their stuff non-grey. He has a market, and not everyone is going to fall into it, but such is life.

Why do something at all if you are not going to improve at it?:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

I dont think i have ever posted anything on here. so
1: How would you know
2: My opinion has nothing to do with skill level and more about my personal experiance.
I got better, atleast IMO, when i stopped apeing others and created my own way to paint.

From my personal experience, I started painting however I wanted, got very good at it, then started painting how a master told me to paint, ie doing the exact same thing with the exact same stuff, and realised it was a much easier way to learn. The other bit that I originally wrote was intended to qualify my opinion but I decided it looked bad and was unnecessary so I deleted it before you replied.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Not everyone feels the need to constantly improve as a painter. Some people just wanna get their stuff non-grey. He has a market, and not everyone is going to fall into it, but such is life.

Why do something at all if you are not going to improve at it?:

I mean, is that really a question? I mostly paint to relax, and because I like painted minis. I barely improve at the skills that pay the bills, much less my hobbies.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Not everyone feels the need to constantly improve as a painter. Some people just wanna get their stuff non-grey. He has a market, and not everyone is going to fall into it, but such is life.

Why do something at all if you are not going to improve at it?:

Because you don’t like having grey models, but don’t enjoy painting? I really don’t like painting, and while I would like to improve at it, I’m not gonna put that much time into something I don’t like doing. There’s lots of stuff I do in life that I’m never going to master.

JWBS wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

I dont think i have ever posted anything on here. so
1: How would you know
2: My opinion has nothing to do with skill level and more about my personal experiance.
I got better, atleast IMO, when i stopped apeing others and created my own way to paint.

From my personal experience, I started painting however I wanted, got very good at it, then started painting how a master told me to paint, ie doing the exact same thing with the exact same stuff, and realised it was a much easier way to learn. The other bit that I originally wrote was intended to qualify my opinion but I decided it looked bad and was unnecessary so I deleted it before you replied.

That isnt what im talking about, what im talking about are videos like GW and Duncans where rather than teaching you to paint, its teaching you how to paint a specific model and only that.
ITs like following a recipe to the T, compared to learning cooking techniques and such to make you a better cook


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 ImAGeek wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Not everyone feels the need to constantly improve as a painter. Some people just wanna get their stuff non-grey. He has a market, and not everyone is going to fall into it, but such is life.

Why do something at all if you are not going to improve at it?:

Because you don’t like having grey models, but don’t enjoy painting? I really don’t like painting, and while I would like to improve at it, I’m not gonna put that much time into something I don’t like doing. There’s lots of stuff I do in life that I’m never going to master.

Im confused, if you dont like it, why do it? Why get into a hobby that pretty much forces you to?

I like Duncan and a few of his character videos have helped me in terms of replicating certain schemes.

But I can't help but agree with the format. It is effectively the GW style. It certainly has a place, but he's competing with GW's own videos in that market and is functioning off his name alone.

I am not going to write him off though because he's just started. He definitely should branch into other types of videos including advanced techniques as I am sure he is capable of them. That way he can grab a cross-section of painters.

If he simply continues the GW 'how to paint this specific model' then I'm sure he will do fine anyways, but I think he can do better.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

I dont think i have ever posted anything on here. so
1: How would you know
2: My opinion has nothing to do with skill level and more about my personal experiance.
I got better, atleast IMO, when i stopped apeing others and created my own way to paint.

From my personal experience, I started painting however I wanted, got very good at it, then started painting how a master told me to paint, ie doing the exact same thing with the exact same stuff, and realised it was a much easier way to learn. The other bit that I originally wrote was intended to qualify my opinion but I decided it looked bad and was unnecessary so I deleted it before you replied.

That isnt what im talking about, what im talking about are videos like GW and Duncans where rather than teaching you to paint, its teaching you how to paint a specific model and only that.
ITs like following a recipe to the T, compared to learning cooking techniques and such to make you a better cook

I don't rate Duncan as a painter, as far as these videos go. I know this isn't the best he can do as I've seen other minis by him that look much better. The concept though (do exactly this, not more not less, until you know what the feth you are doing) is tried and tested. Obviously doesn't work for everything, but for applying acrylic paint to plastic toys, it's effective. Look at Darren Latham's YT, he did a series called Masterclass. I have not painted anything in 10 years, I followed this guide (it is what inspired me to start painting again), and achieved similar results. Obviously some of my skill has carried over, but if I tried to achieve the same using a collection of his other videos (eg this is how to glaze, this is how do a nice bright red), I would have been completely lost. The fact that I followed the guide that says "Step one, mix this colour, apply it here, like this, then go to step two" meant that so far I've produced something very similar to the product that was intended. His YT https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSz0WzAuhwjezFyEIv3Xksg (Lord of Blights)

A lot of people DO want a recipe. They see the GW or any other brand default paint schemes, and they want to emulate that paint scheme.

Tutorials for beginners that focus on those schemes are a great starting point because many beginners will be wanting to emulate the scheme anyway. You use those schemes to teach basic methods and you appeal to a large bracket of the market.


After that you can start to introduce more theory, more concepts and imagination and suchlike.


This is a brand new site so the fact that Duncan is starting at the beginning with a new and popular army in its standard colours makes perfect sense. This is ONE video not the whole production. It's very clear that there's going to be a whole range of material coming. This is just a taste of what is to come and one example of the tutorials.

Yep first video and I do hope to see in the future loads of different content too.

I do get were people are coming from regarding GW style of tutorials, but let's face it its quite effective for beginners and people painting loads of minis to Tabletop level.

My favourite type of tutorials are Darren ones and its sad to see it go, these are medium high level of painting and relaxing to watch and free.

If Duncan does some like that great but if he chooses not to, well then also good for him if that is the niche he wants to be in.

I just find quality tutorials are always a positive regardless if its something that you will personally need or not.

Lets stay positive fellas.

Wait Darren is no longer producing content?
The feth happened?

No one is really sure what was the reason, but something is going on at GW since Duncan left and started on his own and Darren terminated his.

I'd pay for more content from him. I hope that's what they're going with, I really do. ie monetising the project (though I think it's just as likely that he has decided it's taking up too much of his free time. It is by no means a trivial endeavour, the quality of the videos is high)

The channel is basically the same as Duncan’s older long form videos on the official channel but will probably be using much more non-GW stuff. It’s going to be very useful for beginners. Not so much for anyone experienced in painting. I still don’t get the weird elitism this thread had brought up, 90% of people who paint there models for the purpose of gaming want them to replicate the box art, the tutorials are amazing for that. Learning to paint stuff like that well gives people the confidence to try their own thing and apply stuff they’ve learned. Even stuff like thin your paints, how to use washes and shades properly and edge highlighting is not obvious for everyone.

Templarted wrote:
The channel is basically the same as Duncan’s older long form videos on the official channel but will probably be using much more non-GW stuff. It’s going to be very useful for beginners. Not so much for anyone experienced in painting. I still don’t get the weird elitism this thread had brought up, 90% of people who paint there models for the purpose of gaming want them to replicate the box art, the tutorials are amazing for that. Learning to paint stuff like that well gives people the confidence to try their own thing and apply stuff they’ve learned. Even stuff like thin your paints, how to use washes and shades properly and edge highlighting is not obvious for everyone.

Is "I don't really want this" the same as "weird elitism"? Because I'm not too interested in this (so far), I've said as much, and I don't think I'm either elitist or weird .

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Not everyone feels the need to constantly improve as a painter. Some people just wanna get their stuff non-grey. He has a market, and not everyone is going to fall into it, but such is life.

Why do something at all if you are not going to improve at it?:

Because you don’t like having grey models, but don’t enjoy painting? I really don’t like painting, and while I would like to improve at it, I’m not gonna put that much time into something I don’t like doing. There’s lots of stuff I do in life that I’m never going to master.

Im confused, if you dont like it, why do it? Why get into a hobby that pretty much forces you to?

Because I like other aspects of the hobby.

Templarted wrote:
The channel is basically the same as Duncan’s older long form videos on the official channel but will probably be using much more non-GW stuff. It’s going to be very useful for beginners. Not so much for anyone experienced in painting. I still don’t get the weird elitism this thread had brought up, 90% of people who paint there models for the purpose of gaming want them to replicate the box art, the tutorials are amazing for that. Learning to paint stuff like that well gives people the confidence to try their own thing and apply stuff they’ve learned. Even stuff like thin your paints, how to use washes and shades properly and edge highlighting is not obvious for everyone.

Then why not make videos that show the aspect of that? Why not videos about edge highlights or washes
Heck Angel Gireldez just released one about washes. Teaching people techniques will be better than bpajnt by numbes

I'm sure if its his intention he could do both - paint by numbers and tutorial videos on specific methods.

JWBS wrote:

Templarted wrote:
The channel is basically the same as Duncan’s older long form videos on the official channel but will probably be using much more non-GW stuff. It’s going to be very useful for beginners. Not so much for anyone experienced in painting. I still don’t get the weird elitism this thread had brought up, 90% of people who paint there models for the purpose of gaming want them to replicate the box art, the tutorials are amazing for that. Learning to paint stuff like that well gives people the confidence to try their own thing and apply stuff they’ve learned. Even stuff like thin your paints, how to use washes and shades properly and edge highlighting is not obvious for everyone.

Is "I don't really want this" the same as "weird elitism"? Because I'm not too interested in this (so far), I've said as much, and I don't think I'm either elitist or weird .

Saying it’s not for you isn’t weird elitism. I doubt I’d watch many of Duncan’s videos either but they’re very good for beginners. Saying that videos telling you how to paint a model a certain way is redundant and teaches nothing is weird elitism.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Templarted wrote:
The channel is basically the same as Duncan’s older long form videos on the official channel but will probably be using much more non-GW stuff. It’s going to be very useful for beginners. Not so much for anyone experienced in painting. I still don’t get the weird elitism this thread had brought up, 90% of people who paint there models for the purpose of gaming want them to replicate the box art, the tutorials are amazing for that. Learning to paint stuff like that well gives people the confidence to try their own thing and apply stuff they’ve learned. Even stuff like thin your paints, how to use washes and shades properly and edge highlighting is not obvious for everyone.

Then why not make videos that show the aspect of that? Why not videos about edge highlights or washes
Heck Angel Gireldez just released one about washes. Teaching people techniques will be better than bpajnt by numbes

The video teaches concepts that can be applied to different models. “Paint by numbers” is an exceptionally good way to teach people who don’t know basic techniques and helps them gain confidence. Everyone learns differently, if the concept is relayed to someone in a simple and relatable way it’s a lot easier to learn that.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Y'know, I thought his kinda wooden/robotic style of presenting was because GW....
Turns out he is just boring.
I don't see this succeeding for long.

And yet most people love Duncan. He’s fun, energetic, does well in the spotlight and is easy to follow...you are, of course, entitled to your wrong opinion.

He's got a huge following for sure. He had just over 20k subscribers after posting his first 16 second teaser video, now after a week he's already up to 33k+

He's hinted on twitter that he will be covering more painting techniques and different paint ranges later on (plus using a wet palette).

His style and market though isn't how to paint a model to win a GD event. It's how to show people that painting models isn't something scary or impossible to learn and the steps on getting stuff to look good on the table at a higher than your average tabletop standard.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Why do something at all if you are not going to improve at it?:

Some of us either don't like or don't care about painting. Duncan's videos have helped me get motivated to try things, and do things in ways I wouldn't know how because I'm not a painter.

If you don't like him that's fine, but don't gak on him or others for liking his videos.

It's one tutorial, and people have decided he's not doing anything new? LMAO! He's got over 33k followers already with one tutorial. I think he will be okay.

What did you expect? an 8-hour Masterclass using 63 gazillion techniques right out of the gate? He's gotta establish the channel first, since GW owns all the previous stuff.

I imagine he's going to be doing the basics first, like the GW vids, because that's how most of us know him. A few 40k, some AoS, then wander into historicals.
Then he will probably get into higher technique a couple videos down the road.
I've seen his personal stuff on twitter, and he's definitely using more than the basics.