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 AnomanderRake wrote:

macluvin wrote:
Here I was thinking I was insane for dreaming of porting the Horus heresy rules to 40k... I mean we are already half way there if you think about it.

They don't all work (Heresy-era Thousand Sons are pre-Rubric, for instance) but where did the Headhunters go? Why are there no Berzerkers in Terminator armour (Red Butchers)? Did the Night Lords just to a Legionnaire decide the glaives weren't cool anymore one day?

Yes this. I want my nostroman chainglaives, night raptors, and terror squads! And real Red Butchers for we that are an actual unit instead of a stratagem and can take dual chainfists.

And give us usable legion vehicles instead of more dinobots. Why did the godawful klos get so much cheaper while the hellforged super heavys stayed fething astronomically priced?


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 Psionara wrote:
Standardized drop pods like we see for Space Marines?

We have those. They're called dreadclaws and they're good except the price. Because they're fw and only primaris fw models deserved price drops in ca.

Possessed need to be really scary and dangerous (and need new models), not the weak sauce we have now. I personally think that they should have the melee stats of berzerkers with two chain weapons, two wounds, and the durability of Plague Marines.

All we have now is really lame cultists (not counting R&H, which are holding on by the skin of their teeth atm). 

Annoyingly, servants of the abyss has traitor guard, beastmen, rogue psykers, traitor commissar and ogryn bodyguards and dark mechanicum electro-priests.

Add in regiment traits, some tanks, and remove the 0-1 And 0-2 limits and you'd have a pretty interesting army....The models are gorgeous too....

locarno24 wrote:

All we have now is really lame cultists (not counting R&H, which are holding on by the skin of their teeth atm). 

Annoyingly, servants of the abyss has traitor guard, beastmen, rogue psykers, traitor commissar and ogryn bodyguards and dark mechanicum electro-priests.

Add in regiment traits, some tanks, and remove the 0-1 And 0-2 limits and you'd have a pretty interesting army....The models are gorgeous too....

It's almost as if gw is slowly building up to a traitor guard codex.

Primaris are going to replace Old Marines and their vehicles one day.

It is a good opportunity to emphasize the ties CSM have to the Old Marines.

Update Chaos Predator, Rhinos and Land Raiders with a couple of small new things. Each one of these vehicles should emphasize the ties CSM have with Old Marines with a couple of new options because the Chaos Forces have been experimenting on those venerable chassis (nothing too big, for example add add Reaper Autocanons as sponsons and / or Chainreaper cannons to the turrets etc). On top of that, each kit should be a dual kit and allow people to build a new unit which is based upon the chassis' but heavily modified by the Dark Mechanicum / Warpsmith : warp-based weaponry for the alternative Chaos Predator / a soul vaccum for the Chaos Vindicator / a giant moving Chaos Portal inside a Possessed Land Raider which, instead of spitting mortal infantry, spits daemons & warp gak etc.

given the OP is talking about new models etc in their post I'll limit myself to that, what chaos needs is chaotic conversions of loyalist elements.

the newer deamon engines are nice and all but I think to really drive home who and what chaos is, they need to move in a slightly differant direction with it, All chaos units be they deamon engines or just tanks should be reckongizable as "Imperial in orgin but mutated and corrupted" this though doesn't mean they should be loyalists with spikes but rather should be taking various loyalist STC elements and using them in weird, wonderful and distrubing ways like a chaos unit that's sort of a deamon engine dragon with a flamer head, and tendrals that essentially plays like a defiler with a ehavy flamer, that is, if you look closely at it, clearly a unit that started out on the hull of a leman russ. it'd fill a COMPLETELY differant role (the example I'm envisioning turns it into a close assault unitP) but that reckongizable base reminds us of the common orgin. while being very much distinct. for example, I'd love to see a defiler resculpt that subltly implied the design was based off the dunecrawler

BrianDavion wrote:
given the OP is talking about new models etc in their post I'll limit myself to that, what chaos needs is chaotic conversions of loyalist elements.

the newer deamon engines are nice and all but I think to really drive home who and what chaos is, they need to move in a slightly differant direction with it, All chaos units be they deamon engines or just tanks should be reckongizable as "Imperial in orgin but mutated and corrupted" this though doesn't mean they should be loyalists with spikes but rather should be taking various loyalist STC elements and using them in weird, wonderful and distrubing ways like a chaos unit that's sort of a deamon engine dragon with a flamer head, and tendrals that essentially plays like a defiler with a ehavy flamer, that is, if you look closely at it, clearly a unit that started out on the hull of a leman russ. it'd fill a COMPLETELY differant role (the example I'm envisioning turns it into a close assault unitP) but that reckongizable base reminds us of the common orgin. while being very much distinct. for example, I'd love to see a defiler resculpt that subltly implied the design was based off the dunecrawler

Similar to how the different eras in Star Wars have vehicles with similar design roots? I can dig it.

I’d like to see more Dar Mechanicus influence myself. Other that demon engines.

BrianDavion wrote:
given the OP is talking about new models etc in their post I'll limit myself to that, what chaos needs is chaotic conversions of loyalist elements.

the newer deamon engines are nice and all but I think to really drive home who and what chaos is, they need to move in a slightly differant direction with it, All chaos units be they deamon engines or just tanks should be reckongizable as "Imperial in orgin but mutated and corrupted" this though doesn't mean they should be loyalists with spikes but rather should be taking various loyalist STC elements and using them in weird, wonderful and distrubing ways like a chaos unit that's sort of a deamon engine dragon with a flamer head, and tendrals that essentially plays like a defiler with a ehavy flamer, that is, if you look closely at it, clearly a unit that started out on the hull of a leman russ. it'd fill a COMPLETELY differant role (the example I'm envisioning turns it into a close assault unitP) but that reckongizable base reminds us of the common orgin. while being very much distinct. for example, I'd love to see a defiler resculpt that subltly implied the design was based off the dunecrawler

They have been doing this in reverse a bit at Forge World by bringing out vehicles for 30k that are pre corruption versions of Blight Drones and Plague Bursts. But I completely agree with your premise. That would be much more thematically interesting than Dinobots.

 Eldarain wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
given the OP is talking about new models etc in their post I'll limit myself to that, what chaos needs is chaotic conversions of loyalist elements.

the newer deamon engines are nice and all but I think to really drive home who and what chaos is, they need to move in a slightly differant direction with it, All chaos units be they deamon engines or just tanks should be reckongizable as "Imperial in orgin but mutated and corrupted" this though doesn't mean they should be loyalists with spikes but rather should be taking various loyalist STC elements and using them in weird, wonderful and distrubing ways like a chaos unit that's sort of a deamon engine dragon with a flamer head, and tendrals that essentially plays like a defiler with a ehavy flamer, that is, if you look closely at it, clearly a unit that started out on the hull of a leman russ. it'd fill a COMPLETELY differant role (the example I'm envisioning turns it into a close assault unitP) but that reckongizable base reminds us of the common orgin. while being very much distinct. for example, I'd love to see a defiler resculpt that subltly implied the design was based off the dunecrawler

They have been doing this in reverse a bit at Forge World by bringing out vehicles for 30k that are pre corruption versions of Blight Drones and Plague Bursts. But I completely agree with your premise. That would be much more thematically interesting than Dinobots.

yeah dinobots aren';t entirely bad some geniuinely new stuff isn't bad, but at the same time CSMs need to be the dark mirror of space marines, GW should lean into that a bit.

I don't mean "space marine hardware with spikes" I mean ".. wait gak, that new thing mighta begun life as X!"

Once they get around to updating regular Possessed, Chaos will get its "Primaris" equivalent. With the greater possessed being 5 wounds, there's little chance possessed will be any less than 2-3 with a bump up in toughness from their current line. Would be nice if they got 8" move too but probably not going to happen. But more importantly, I'm convinced they will become troops with how 40K has evolved in recent times.

LoftyS wrote:
Once they get around to updating regular Possessed, Chaos will get its "Primaris" equivalent. With the greater possessed being 5 wounds, there's little chance possessed will be any less than 2-3 with a bump up in toughness from their current line. Would be nice if they got 8" move too but probably not going to happen. But more importantly, I'm convinced they will become troops with how 40K has evolved in recent times.

I dunno, how many wounds does a chaos lord have?

Moar Dinobots!

Especially looking forward to the new leaked HQ option:

None other than the Warped Tamer.

He comes along riding a Not-T-Rex wielding twin-lascannons.

 Strg Alt wrote:
Moar Dinobots!

Especially looking forward to the new leaked HQ option:

None other than the Warped Tamer.

He comes along riding a Not-T-Rex wielding twin-lascannons.

.. seriously? your source?

 Elbows wrote:
Armies in 40K don't need expansion. They simply need honest, well thought out balance. Expansion is, however, the GW model.

Yeah waiting for new things to buy from GW is a crappy hobby.

What ever happened to a group of cultist being lead by a chaos marine sgt?

There should not be many chaos marines running around. My vision is that cultist out number chaos marines 1:20.

Just leave csm as barebones cheap.

There needs to be some assimilation of the hereteks now that imperial armor renegades & heretics are basically gone.

I'd settle for Daemon Engines being more likely to hit in combat than a Guardsman...

macluvin wrote:
Here I was thinking I was insane for dreaming of porting the Horus heresy rules to 40k... I mean we are already half way there if you think about it.

That's why we need to stay away from it and it's unit. As far as we can. 40k is already barely more than 30k we don't need to reduce the distance further.
40k chaos is quite different from 30k traitor legions tbf anyway

Lost and The Damned. Urgently.

Because whilst they’re powerful, the Traitors and Renegades are the true threat to the Imperium, compared to Cults etc.