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Wondering how tall those giants are going to be.

 Gallahad wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Huh? Just the first guy has shields from two different warcry bands, a chunk of leviadon shell, a stormcast shield, and we have not even seen the full 360 yet

Could you point out where the Stormcast shield is? The two on his loincloth are an old chaos warrior design and the old woodelf eternal guard.
Good point on Leviadon shell, I thought it was dragon skin, but I'm unfamiliar with the kit.
Is the shield with the sun (?) on his belly from warcry? I originally thought it was the old 6th Ed state trooper lion shield but I think I was wrong.
Is the shield on his arm with the Celtic knot thing from Warcry? I'm not familiar with all the kits, but I'm pretty positive it isn't the Iron Golem shield.

Do you know if these are the first regular humans we've seen?

Right arm has a splintered fang shield (lower) and what I am pretty sure is an iron golem shield above it. The shield with a sun on it is stormcast: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Stormcast-Eternals-Knights-Excelsior-Upgrades

Not the first normal humans, as the lion's share of the warcry bands are just regular humans. Chaos worshippers, but generally just the elite ones have mutations or the like.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Wondering how tall those giants are going to be.

They’re big boys, but not quite as big as the FW model. Still exciting, the idea of them just slapping Archaon off Dorghar is pretty amusing.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Wondering how tall those giants are going to be.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Huh? Just the first guy has shields from two different warcry bands, a chunk of leviadon shell, a stormcast shield, and we have not even seen the full 360 yet

Could you point out where the Stormcast shield is? The two on his loincloth are an old chaos warrior design and the old woodelf eternal guard.
Good point on Leviadon shell, I thought it was dragon skin, but I'm unfamiliar with the kit.
Is the shield with the sun (?) on his belly from warcry? I originally thought it was the old 6th Ed state trooper lion shield but I think I was wrong.
Is the shield on his arm with the Celtic knot thing from Warcry? I'm not familiar with all the kits, but I'm pretty positive it isn't the Iron Golem shield.

Do you know if these are the first regular humans we've seen?

Right arm has a splintered fang shield (lower) and what I am pretty sure is an iron golem shield above it. The shield with a sun on it is stormcast: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Stormcast-Eternals-Knights-Excelsior-Upgrades

Not the first normal humans, as the lion's share of the warcry bands are just regular humans. Chaos worshippers, but generally just the elite ones have mutations or the like.

We'll have to agree to disagree that is a Stormcast shield as I'm definitely not seeing the similarities, but good spot on the splintered fang iconography and fair point about how most of the Warcry guys are normal humans.

I still find it interesting that all the people they are grabbing etc. look like WHFB empire citizens. They are just surprisingly solidly aesthetically placed in the "world that was". I mean, there just isn't anything that is aesthetically instantly recognizable as being from AOS.

 Gallahad wrote:

We'll have to agree to disagree that is a Stormcast shield as I'm definitely not seeing the similarities, but good spot on the splintered fang iconography and fair point about how most of the Warcry guys are normal humans.

I still find it interesting that all the people they are grabbing etc. look like WHFB empire citizens. They are just surprisingly solidly aesthetically placed in the "world that was". I mean, there just isn't anything that is aesthetically instantly recognizable as being from AOS.

It's from the discontinued Knights Excelsior upgrade kit.

 eohall wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

We'll have to agree to disagree that is a Stormcast shield as I'm definitely not seeing the similarities, but good spot on the splintered fang iconography and fair point about how most of the Warcry guys are normal humans.

I still find it interesting that all the people they are grabbing etc. look like WHFB empire citizens. They are just surprisingly solidly aesthetically placed in the "world that was". I mean, there just isn't anything that is aesthetically instantly recognizable as being from AOS.

It's from the discontinued Knights Excelsior upgrade kit.

Dang, I salute your knowledge of Stormcast shields. That is definitely a Stormcast shield!

Maybe that shield is more iconic than I give it credit for? Do people see it and instantly go "Stormcast!!"? I was definitely looking for their big normal shields but I'm not really into AOS, so maybe it helps those better versed in the lore the place the Giants in the AOS setting?

It was for the Dracoth riders.

And Prosecutors.

StarFyre wrote:
If you look at the 3 versions, other than the thighs, it appears there are 2 or 3 feet, arms, chest, head. I wonder if it would be possible to make 2 giants or close to, with a bit of sculpting, from one box.

That would be like stealing food from the mouths of Games Workshop's children? Would you steal bread from the mouths of children?

StarFyre wrote:
Unless all the ropes and decorations on the arms etc are attachments and not presculpted into the body parts.

Sanjay

While my man-boob identifying skills are not as polished as my uh... other boob identifying skills my feeling is they all share one body and legs and the bits and bobs are glued on. The legs seem to have the same wrapping and the bodies the same um, flabby bits.

That being said, there should be enough arms and heads to convert a properly sized action figure or Ken Doll.

Yeah, the torso and legs are shared across all three and it looks like there’s only actually two variants of each arm. All the differences are in the heads, hands, feet, and random kibble.
Oh, and making sure to never photograph them from the same angle, of course.

Will be interesting to see if there will be even more Gargants next week or if we just get a look at the book.

Loving these new guys, and have always loved the current aleguzzlers, it was among the first things I got when AoS first hit and listbuilding was really easy.
I feel the new guys lack the realism of the aleguzzlers with their belly and tall lanky legs, looking like their size really didnt fit in society so they always go hungry and never get to grow their full potential.
First thing I notice with these new guys is their massive legs. I guess in the age of sigmar they just go out and grab a kraken or a manticore for dinner and grow big and strong.

Appreciate the generic fantasy feel obout these guys.

 Gallahad wrote:

 eohall wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

We'll have to agree to disagree that is a Stormcast shield as I'm definitely not seeing the similarities, but good spot on the splintered fang iconography and fair point about how most of the Warcry guys are normal humans.

I still find it interesting that all the people they are grabbing etc. look like WHFB empire citizens. They are just surprisingly solidly aesthetically placed in the "world that was". I mean, there just isn't anything that is aesthetically instantly recognizable as being from AOS.

It's from the discontinued Knights Excelsior upgrade kit.

Dang, I salute your knowledge of Stormcast shields. That is definitely a Stormcast shield!

Maybe that shield is more iconic than I give it credit for? Do people see it and instantly go "Stormcast!!"? I was definitely looking for their big normal shields but I'm not really into AOS, so maybe it helps those better versed in the lore the place the Giants in the AOS setting?

I literally posted a link to an almost identical upgrade kit in my post and you said you disagreed...

Dark Blue + gold + Astral iconography.....

It’s either a plastic Thunderhawk painted in the Celestial Lion’s scheme or its new Saurus Warriors. 50/50.

All I know is it's ridiculous that there's a Wild Rider shield on the Gargant, yet still they haven't bothered to write rules that aren't crap for those shields!

 Kanluwen wrote:
All I know is it's ridiculous that there's a Wild Rider shield on the Gargant, yet still they haven't bothered to write rules that aren't crap for those shields!

That's why there's some many just lying around for giants to pick up.

Those giants are really very nice. The detailing is great and the non-human proportions look good - obviously exaggerated without being too cartoony. Also creates a bit of forced perspective, maybe?

Say, d'you think the designers were watching old Roald Dahl films?



I'm also looking at my old plastic giant and feeling a bit of... size envy. Maybe I'll sculpt a pair of huge ears on him.

Arbitrator wrote:The models look great, but I'm not too thrilled about them being available to any faction.

Jackal90 wrote:I honestly don’t get the issue with other armies being able to use them.
Giants have pretty much always been that way.

Yeah, that. I seem to recall the first plastic guy had ally or mercenary rules when he turned up. And wasn't there a Dogs of War unit that was two Albion giants and their druid handler?

These giants are immense. How can GW be so on point with these but then produce an army like those elves which are... well...

 lare2 wrote:
These giants are immense. How can GW be so on point with these but then produce an army like those elves which are... well...

It’s crazy isn’t it. Almost like people have different tastes, different models will appeal to different people and nothing is going to appeal to everybody, but that can’t be it...

Yeah, I'm.not.interedted in the giants in any way, bit O cant wait.to get my hands on the elves, though they wollnmainly end up as conversions

 ImAGeek wrote:

 lare2 wrote:
These giants are immense. How can GW be so on point with these but then produce an army like those elves which are... well...

It’s crazy isn’t it. Almost like people have different tastes, different models will appeal to different people and nothing is going to appeal to everybody, but that can’t be it...

Whose tastes do those cow helmets appeal to?

Tell me so that I can put them down on 'the list'.

 Vermis wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 lare2 wrote:
These giants are immense. How can GW be so on point with these but then produce an army like those elves which are... well...

It’s crazy isn’t it. Almost like people have different tastes, different models will appeal to different people and nothing is going to appeal to everybody, but that can’t be it...

Whose tastes do those cow helmets appeal to?

Tell me so that I can put them down on 'the list'.

As a concept they aren’t entirely bad.
Just poor execution I think.

I’ll be shortening the horns and using them as masks instead for a smaller profile.

 Vermis wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 lare2 wrote:
These giants are immense. How can GW be so on point with these but then produce an army like those elves which are... well...

It’s crazy isn’t it. Almost like people have different tastes, different models will appeal to different people and nothing is going to appeal to everybody, but that can’t be it...

Whose tastes do those cow helmets appeal to?

Tell me so that I can put them down on 'the list'.

I would say me, but I don't want to be on any, 'the lists'. That seems far to menacing.

On a more serious note, I like what is going on with Lumineth in that I am so exhausted of Tolkien/Gygax (otherwise known as generic fantasy) after some 3 decades of the largely the same old, same old. Fantasy feels like it has been in a rut for even longer than that. Long gone is the wonder and majesty of the genre replaced with comfortable cliches that make each iteration of every fantasy world run together like every small town on an overly long road trip. I actually kinda loath that generic fantasy has become a thing. Fantasy shouldn't ever be generic by definition.Age of Sigmar, honestly, still isn't that far from generic fantasy, but I appreciate the small steps GW has done to at least move away from literally (not literally) every 90's D&D 'unique world' campaign pitch I have ever heard which amounted to regular D&D but ________ is kinda different.

I also kinda it entertaining that many detractors are saying the same basic things I have heard countless times when I was playing D&D way too much. Back in the 90's, I vividly remember the players who started playing D&D in the 70s griping over the same overly fantastical elements like outlandish weapons and armor. Mind you this outlandishness is not anymore than what you would see on basically any WHFB miniatures such as horns on helmets or warhammers the size of sledgehammers.

While I get there is a scale of ridiculousness to how far one is willing to suspend their disbelieve, I do find it odd elves with hammers and tall ornate helms such as the Lumineth are that line that many are very vocal about it given some of the crazy that don't seem any more or less ridiculous from WHFB. I mean ratmen with Gatling guns? Just the same, I did see a player pack up their things and storm out of their first game of 3rd edition when they discovered clerics could use greatswords.

I like units with hammer weapons. I generally like Earth the most of the four classic elements. I have no issue with elves (or aelves) trying to be more than a Flanderised, cliche. I honestly don't really see the bull helmets being any more insane than many of the Warcry cultists or many other elements of AoS or even WHFB. I actually want to start an army of them after seeing the latest reveals as my initial impression of the Lumineth rather luke-warm basically cover the standard infantry, cavalry and archer stuff not too far from any other fantasy world. Really the only thing holding me back is the lack of interest of painting yet another army as I so far behind on what I have plus an increasing stream of commissions. So I don't really know if I will or not. I suspect it will come down to the price of the boxed set. I figure if it is well over $200 U.S. I will probably give it a pass as I really only want the models and battletome. And I really only need a regular battletome and not anything fancy.

 Fayric wrote:
Will be interesting to see if there will be even more Gargants next week or if we just get a look at the book.

Loving these new guys, and have always loved the current aleguzzlers, it was among the first things I got when AoS first hit and listbuilding was really easy.
I feel the new guys lack the realism of the aleguzzlers with their belly and tall lanky legs, looking like their size really didnt fit in society so they always go hungry and never get to grow their full potential.
First thing I notice with these new guys is their massive legs. I guess in the age of sigmar they just go out and grab a kraken or a manticore for dinner and grow big and strong.

Appreciate the generic fantasy feel obout these guys.

I never liked the lanky look of the current giant, logically a giant would need thicker legs to hold itself up. I think the Reaper Bones giants have better proportions to convey their weight and power.

It's all magic and fantasy of course, but I think these guys still look a bit too much like basketball players rather than giants.

 Vermis wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 lare2 wrote:
These giants are immense. How can GW be so on point with these but then produce an army like those elves which are... well...

It’s crazy isn’t it. Almost like people have different tastes, different models will appeal to different people and nothing is going to appeal to everybody, but that can’t be it...

Whose tastes do those cow helmets appeal to?

Tell me so that I can put them down on 'the list'.

People who like the idea of totemic warriors that draw upon elements?

Frankly, you lot and your constant whining about the "cow helmet" nonsense are far more obnoxious than anyone who happens to enjoy something that you don't.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

 Vermis wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 lare2 wrote:
These giants are immense. How can GW be so on point with these but then produce an army like those elves which are... well...

It’s crazy isn’t it. Almost like people have different tastes, different models will appeal to different people and nothing is going to appeal to everybody, but that can’t be it...

Whose tastes do those cow helmets appeal to?

Tell me so that I can put them down on 'the list'.

I would say me, but I don't want to be on any, 'the lists'. That seems far to menacing.

On a more serious note, I like what is going on with Lumineth in that I am so exhausted of Tolkien/Gygax (otherwise known as generic fantasy) after some 3 decades of the largely the same old, same old. Fantasy feels like it has been in a rut for even longer than that. Long gone is the wonder and majesty of the genre replaced with comfortable cliches that make each iteration of every fantasy world run together like every small town on an overly long road trip. I actually kinda loath that generic fantasy has become a thing. Fantasy shouldn't ever be generic by definition.Age of Sigmar, honestly, still isn't that far from generic fantasy, but I appreciate the small steps GW has done to at least move away from literally (not literally) every 90's D&D 'unique world' campaign pitch I have ever heard which amounted to regular D&D but ________ is kinda different.

I'd honestly be more sympathetic to this position if I could find _anything_ that fits what you call 'generic fantasy' anywhere any more. Or at any point in the last several decades.

Its always weird hybrid stuff with scifi tropes, guns and/or anime-style gimmicks. A lot of it comes from authors being unable to discard their modern sensibilities and assumptions and actually do a fantasy world, but I have a hard time with the premise that 'generic fantasy' has become a thing. I'd argue more than that the blended warcraft/warhammer assumptions have become the generic thing that masquerades as fantasy these days.

Actually very fond of the cow helmets from a sort of warrior-shaman angle. Far as I can tell, you wouldn't bother running that unit without bringing some Battle Cattle along for the buffs/synergy, so it's a pretty neat bit of visual connection.

The Acme Mallets are still somewhat egregious, but the alternative weapon with the crystal spike on the back looks better anyway (and also follows the same cues as my thoughts on the helmets)

It's a fantasy game, so I'm willing suspend disbelief. To a point. I don't blink at overgrown rats with gatling guns because, hey, whatever. Elves with hammers don't bother in the least.

But I can't forgive those helmets. I cannot possibly believe that an elven neck is strong enough to not just support that monstrosity, but allow the head to turn with any kind of speed or grace that would be necessary to see anything not directly to the front. There comes a point where hand-waving it away and saying, "it's magic," just doesn't work on me. It may seem to some a weird hill to die on, but so be it.

Again: we had elf helmets that size before. Why wasn't this a big deal with Eltharion the Grim, Tyrion, Teclis, etc?

I'm seriously considering one of those Gargants for my WHFB Chaos Army as a siege giant...