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And I bought 2 NIB gargants 2 years ago for 40€... and now 2 are 100€.

Wow. The bigger giants are cool but no 150€ cool.

The optics of buying two normal giants for a triple digit price are much worse than buying a single giant for a double digit price. Ditto for the Mega-Gargant being at the $200 mark (in USD) verses something like $175 or, dare I say, $160.

There WAS interest in SoB as their own army, but now?

I’ll pick up the battletome(obligatory purchase for me) and one Mega-Gargant at release just for funsies.

Mainly focused on my burgeoning DoK army that I’m prepping for Broken Realms.

What I want to know is how they size up against the Black Scorpion giant (which is 185mm high)?

Not sure if anyone put the article link up.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/05/sons-of-behemat-gargants-evolved/

Some history. Pics of sprues.

There's shockingly little customization to be seen.
A shot of five has duplicates of the bearded one and the hooded one. They... painted the hair a different color and swapped out the belly shield for a different one.

I guess you can mix and match between the giant types, but part of the point of the themes is to be recognizable for the three different stat-sheets.

 Overread wrote:
Well if we bring resin into it and FW resin then there's that Tau Manta ship

Who mentioned FW resin? Smaug is available - when he's available - through GW itself, not FW.

So what's that in convict dollars? $350 for a mega-gargant

 Gallahad wrote:
Geez, I don't know how you guys afford this stuff. $175 USD for a big monster mini... That is bonkers.

When these fail to sell what are they going to do, do a double box for $300?

I've backed several Kickstarters in the $300 range, but at least there I'm usually getting a ton for my money (both new games and miniatures).

I think you are underestimating how many people there are who can buy. Hell one guy is planning to buy 9...As it is if I had interest I COULD afford it for monthly hobby budget. As it is 2k of these is only slightly more expensive than 2k lumineth and on flipside at least due to lack of model options the price is pretty set(unlike lumineth who have plenty of options).

It's matter of do you want that 2k army or not. AOS armies arent' cheap anyway. If you want cheaper GW game try LOTR. Great rules, much more reasonable. Sub 100$ will get you going strong.

Wonder how easy those would be to magnetize btw? If you can magnetize options it's more cheaper to get complete force than many other armies.

NinthMusketeer wrote:The optics of buying two normal giants for a triple digit price are much worse than buying a single giant for a double digit price. Ditto for the Mega-Gargant being at the $200 mark (in USD) verses something like $175 or, dare I say, $160.

There WAS interest in SoB as their own army, but now?

Not just optics. I've had the giant on my wishlist just as a random hobby project - deck him out with things from the bits box from various factions, maybe build him up to try and fit in with a particular faction who hired him. It's a fun model, and the right kind of price for a big centrepiece to have some fun with. I don't want two though. Despite all the bits in the kit, the similarities will clearly stand out, unless putting yet more hours into changing the pose and resculpting whole sections. Maybe I'll eventually pick one up from ebay now, but won't be buying one from GW then, since they don't want to sell me just the one anymore.

And yes, if similarities were visible in the old kit, the new one is certainly worse. The repeated pose continues to be nicely hidden by choosing different camera angles or obscuring parts from view, but that's something that's only going to become more obvious when seeing the models in real life. Normally not a major issue when it's a single centrepiece, but when it's an army consisting of just the one kit (or two, if using the old giant)... again, unless someone puts in a good few hours to repose them, it's not actually going to be a very impressive and nice looking army I wager. Just a rather nice massive giant sculpt, who quickly loses his appeal by being clearly duplicated several times within the army.

Dysartes wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Well if we bring resin into it and FW resin then there's that Tau Manta ship

Who mentioned FW resin? Smaug is available - when he's available - through GW itself, not FW.

He's still cast in FW resin though - it's in the product description: "Smaug™ is made from the same resin as Forge World miniatures."

 Galas wrote:
And I bought 2 NIB gargants 2 years ago for 40€... and now 2 are 100€.

Wow. The bigger giants are cool but no 150€ cool.

so you're comparing a discount bundle to a regulair kit

The price is actually back to stupid again, shame.

Main reason I’ve been waiting for them is just rules, I’ll be converting my own one for my armies.

On the flip side, I did pick up 3 of the double giant kits a while back when they were clearing stock.
If memory serves it was around £50-£55 or so? Per set.

At the new pricing I think they lost a lot of potential customers for SoB armies.
While no one was expecting “cheap” models, lines like OBR surprised people with much lower than expected prices for the most part.
The worrying part is they tend to use rules to force sales, so these guys will be on top for a while I’d assume.

They get extra sales through allies but I doubt it’s enough.

Eh rules to force sales is a totally random dice roll from GW. Sometimes a new army is brokenly powerful, sometimes its not.


It used to be much more the case, but back then codex updates were months and months apart and were nearly always a big model release too. So everything was updated, there were lots of new things and a good chunk of armies might not even have an updated codex for a long while. So you had new-hotness codex running around with a lot of out of date ones. Even in 2.0 for AoS we saw that new battletomes were more powerful in general and armies without them suffered (Slaves to Darkness coming last suffered the longest).


GW does sometimes use rules to push thing s- Slaanesh for AoS clearly is using the depravity rules to push leaders which was about all GW updated in models for the line when it came out. Yet the only non-leader new model - the fantastic looking fiends - is actually somewhat underpowered and not often taken. So its not really a great strategy.

Honestly considering how often GW seems to muck up with rules I don't think there's any grand strategy behind linking releases to rules to drive sales. It's far too random.



Giants might be brokenly powerful; or not. AoS does small count armies rather well and I've not heard of the dragon force for Flesheaters being broken. Gotrek for a time was considered broken, but in general people have learned that a single high power model can be avoided or mitigated. Giants might well suffer like Ossiarchs in that they can likely win in attrition, but will lose out because they can't hold all objectives at once easily. Or they might be easier to crumble by focusing fire on one of a handful of targets.

terry wrote:

 Galas wrote:
And I bought 2 NIB gargants 2 years ago for 40€... and now 2 are 100€.

Wow. The bigger giants are cool but no 150€ cool.

so you're comparing a discount bundle to a regulair kit

And why not? It has the same content, 2 plastic giant kits. What do I care how GW classifies the product? I want a good deal, and this is a horrible deal compared to when they were previously on sale in the same form.

Mantic has 18cm and 19cm tall giants(regular giant bit over 10cm it seems). How good proxies these would be? Much more cheaper and even if you get one or two official would help with same base model syndrome refered above. In fact if you would get say 1 official and 1 of both mantic ones maybe one could mix spare parts and make it work? That sounds bit more feasible. 35€ for one, 59€ for the other, 150€ for GW, 244 for 3 different giant models. Or 210e if you go for 2 of the cheaper mantic ones and don't mind 2 nearly same looking model.


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Cronch wrote:

terry wrote:

 Galas wrote:
And I bought 2 NIB gargants 2 years ago for 40€... and now 2 are 100€.

Wow. The bigger giants are cool but no 150€ cool.

so you're comparing a discount bundle to a regulair kit

And why not? It has the same content, 2 plastic giant kits. What do I care how GW classifies the product? I want a good deal, and this is a horrible deal compared to when they were previously on sale in the same form.

55e individually, 100e for 2

You know what? I think I figured out why I don’t like the sons of behemat: they aren’t the Sky Titans.
Frankly, bigger ‘orribler giants are boring, for the same reason the cannibal giants in the BFG are bit parts at best.
Bigger, ‘orribler giants with culture and feth-off huge cannon? Now that’s a class act.

tneva82 wrote:

55e individually, 100e for 2

And they were sold 2 for 45 GBP (so around 50 euro) three years ago. So clearly they can be sold cheaper.

 Galas wrote:

The bigger giants are cool but no 150€ cool.

Yeah, was thinking about this kit but now I lost the interest.

I hate to be that guy (like what you like, spend what you can spare etc) but...

The Mantic giant is 18cm and £24.99

https://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2018/10/thats-big-one.html?m=1

Many of the Reaper Giants (Bones 2 onwards) are similarly huge (15cm+) and can be found for £15ish - Mumlak for example.

It seems even the Heresy giant Mucklegeet is cheaper - and is a lovely sculpt from a friendly one man company.

https://heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_109&products_id=389

(And obviously second hand action figures cost buttons and conversion is heaps of fun)

As you were

I suggested that(and the frost giant) from mantic as well Wonder how comparable size(height and overall bulk) they are and how easy it will be using spare bits from official. You could get 3 for bit over 240e combining official and mantic ones. Much more cheap than 450e and top of that each 3 would be on different base model! That could be worth it even without price issue...

From photos the GW new ones don't seem like over twice the height of giant(bit over 10cm) so these shouldn't be shorter at least. Might be thinner though.

I was interested in maybe an all Giant army, but now it seems like at best I'll be running the Mantic model as a mercenary.

Kind of works out since I like the Mantic model, but its size difference against the old GW giant meant it didn't work as a replacement for that one, but he looks like he'll work fine as a replacement for these new ones, though he looks like he'll be a bit taller and lankier.

Another option might be the Mountain Jotnar from Para Bellum Games' Conquest line.



It's plastic, roughly 14cm to the top of its head, has a few optional bits and heads, and is a bit thicker and rotund than a lot of the other giants out there.

He tends to cost around 50 ~ 65 USD depending on where you get him.

Mega-Gargants – On the Table on Warhammer Community:

Ossiarchs - didn't build the walls high enough!

tneva82 wrote:
Mantic has 18cm and 19cm tall giants(regular giant bit over 10cm it seems). How good proxies these would be? Much more cheaper and even if you get one or two official would help with same base model syndrome refered above. In fact if you would get say 1 official and 1 of both mantic ones maybe one could mix spare parts and make it work? That sounds bit more feasible. 35€ for one, 59€ for the other, 150€ for GW, 244 for 3 different giant models. Or 210e if you go for 2 of the cheaper mantic ones and don't mind 2 nearly same looking model.

the Mantic Giant has options to make 2 different models (as different as the GW models are) and Resin upgrades for a 3rd
the Para Bellum Giant as there as well with some optional bits

So you get 5 different Giants from those 2 kits for 250€ with 2 and 3 of them look similar without conversions, were you get 2 similar looking ones for 300 from GW

If you ever want to play such an army, no reason not going with the Mantic Giant here

 Mr_Rose wrote:
This may sound like a dumb question, but does anyone actually want a giant “army”?
I mean, 40K Knights get a lot of mileage and that’s been the big comparison I’ve seen, but a lot of that is because they are characterised as Knights; noble protectors who ride their mighty steeds into battle to defend the people from ravening monsters.
These guys are the ravening monsters.
They don’t even have much personality to help like all the other ‘bad guy’ factions do; their entire thing is wandering around stomping on the little guy and taking whatever they want without fear or favour just because they can. Which, okay, is a good allegory for corporate capitalism but GW forgot to give them bastardised company names like the Crusher of Burton Halley or Odiferous Brecht so even that seems to be missing.
So, seriously, who are these for? Not even lil’ Timmy is likely to be impressed by a big plastic that-guy-mommy-says-I-shouldn’t-talk-to, surely?

I would like an army of giants--just not giants that look like GW giants.

The price...

How much was the 40K Indomitus box again?

And how much plastic was in there?!?

(Not to mention a full rule book!)

there's also Mierce who are currently running a 50% off giants, with this one being £60 for a week:

https://mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=pro&pre=mrm_gga_dkl_abn_ftu_mbs_801_000

that's a 120mm base so he's pretty big!

other bigguns, some probably only big enough for the standard giant:
https://mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=cat&cre=off-gga&sou=cat

180mm high apparently

they also have a three varients of him too, (in the banelord line) with different weapons & heads so if you want to run all 3 GW varients you can have them look different

(you can also buy the bits separately so you could play with magnets or pegs if you were so inclined)

You know, I don't get what GW was thinking. There is like 20 companies making giants model already, and instead of sidestepping them with something new, they walked right into being ridiculed by offering laziest execution of the concept. Why not play on 'Realm of Beasts' or 'Godbeast' theme and make something like this, stuff no one else is likely to have in their range?

https://www.deviantart.com/urbanjeager/art/Polar-Bear-Warrior-449289546
https://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2013/03/30/67701/81cade61030f254ce85e7782439ddd29.jpg

Something, anything original, not just cave hobos that can be even converted from toys easily if someone is bored and has leftover AoS bits...

I was excited for Sons of Behemat because I was expecting plate-clad giant-warriors more similar to warcraft's Vrykul or even with some greek or ancient aesthetics, as others have said, more similar to Sky Titans. It would have been cool to have some civilization, and giant nonetheless in destruction.

But we have just bigger drunken giants. They are cool miniatures but... as Irbis and many others said, is just more of the same. With a price as big as them.