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 Mr Morden wrote:

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
This would be one of those very rare times I like the older aesthetic more. I do like the older vampire stuff over what little has been shown of the Gravelords. However, two models is hardly definitive. In either case, the faction isn't my jam. So don't think my opinion matters much on the subject.

I do wonder if what I am guessing something like werewolves are going to be in with Gravelords faction making it more of a Monster Squad type faction.

Werewolves have always been much rarer in fantasy for GW - they are in the lore and in Blood Bowl but I can't recall a AOS werewolf model or reference.

As a Vampire/Cat person thats fine but it would be interesting to see them and I do love the old Devourers for Confrontation - they would be a cool faction for AOS

Werewolves are actually a chaos thing, in the form of the now OOP FW Skinwolves.



I've got the event only one sitting at home, but I'll probably use it for chaos (since it has a big chaos star on its chest). But AOS could introduce werewolves for Death. Though they may go for more of a "bat-men" theme, like vargulfs and things, since that's more original

Edit: The vampire counts also used (still have) to have direwolves, but those were just dead wolves reanimated. \

Skin wolves were dope looking

Billicus wrote:
I don't get all the "cutting her hair" remarks, that sword would have to be incredibly sharp to have that effect just from running it through her hair, she'd need to hold the hair down and kind of saw back and forth or the hair would just move out of the way surely

It's not that she's literally cutting her hair, it's that there is no way that pose makes any sort of sense. She's resting the sword on her shoulder...but you couldn't do that with that much hair. She's basically stuck her sword into her hair like a massive hairpin. It's a ridiculously manufactured selfie pose. There's no way to get to that pose by laying your sword on your shoulder as an actual way to rest it there. If she did that, the sword would be on top of her hair holding it down against her neck, not underneath it. She's actually speared her sword into her hair, that's the only way to get it where it is.

yukishiro1 wrote:

Billicus wrote:
I don't get all the "cutting her hair" remarks, that sword would have to be incredibly sharp to have that effect just from running it through her hair, she'd need to hold the hair down and kind of saw back and forth or the hair would just move out of the way surely

It's not that she's literally cutting her hair, it's that there is no way that pose makes any sort of sense. She's resting the sword on her shoulder...but you couldn't do that with that much hair. She's basically stuck her sword into her hair like a massive hairpin. It's a ridiculously manufactured selfie pose. There's no way to get to that pose by laying your sword on your shoulder as an actual way to rest it there. If she did that, the sword would be on top of her hair holding it down against her neck, not underneath it. She's actually speared her sword into her hair, that's the only way to get it where it is.

You guys are all wrong. She's clearly stabbing her hair to make sure there's no bats in it. It's a little known problem, but Realm of Death bats have a nasty habit of getting tangled in vampire hair. That's why most of them choose to be bald; so they don't end up looking like the new vampire lord. She's just being proactive.

yukishiro1 wrote:

Billicus wrote:
I don't get all the "cutting her hair" remarks, that sword would have to be incredibly sharp to have that effect just from running it through her hair, she'd need to hold the hair down and kind of saw back and forth or the hair would just move out of the way surely

It's not that she's literally cutting her hair, it's that there is no way that pose makes any sort of sense. She's resting the sword on her shoulder...but you couldn't do that with that much hair. She's basically stuck her sword into her hair like a massive hairpin. It's a ridiculously manufactured selfie pose. There's no way to get to that pose by laying your sword on your shoulder as an actual way to rest it there. If she did that, the sword would be on top of her hair holding it down against her neck, not underneath it. She's actually speared her sword into her hair, that's the only way to get it where it is.

Is this some running joke I missed? Manufactured poses that are improbable or even impossible are a thing in sculpture and have been for a very long time. Add to that the constraints of sprue size, being a snap fit model and here we are.




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That vampire lady is ace imo. So kuch better than mr hairbat

 streetsamurai wrote:
That vampire lady is ace imo. So kuch better than mr hairbat

They deleted the bit saying it's a bloke so I think they're both women. The armour sort of mirrors the corset and dress shape too which is pretty clever.

 Argive wrote:
Skin wolves were dope looking

I used 6 of them as my Crypt Horrors, as I didn’t like the models.
Built everything from that kit as Varghulfs.

JSG wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:

Billicus wrote:
I don't get all the "cutting her hair" remarks, that sword would have to be incredibly sharp to have that effect just from running it through her hair, she'd need to hold the hair down and kind of saw back and forth or the hair would just move out of the way surely

It's not that she's literally cutting her hair, it's that there is no way that pose makes any sort of sense. She's resting the sword on her shoulder...but you couldn't do that with that much hair. She's basically stuck her sword into her hair like a massive hairpin. It's a ridiculously manufactured selfie pose. There's no way to get to that pose by laying your sword on your shoulder as an actual way to rest it there. If she did that, the sword would be on top of her hair holding it down against her neck, not underneath it. She's actually speared her sword into her hair, that's the only way to get it where it is.

Is this some running joke I missed? Manufactured poses that are improbable or even impossible are a thing in sculpture and have been for a very long time. Add to that the constraints of sprue size, being a snap fit model and here we are.




-Edited. See rule #1.

I don't know about you, but I don't think I've ever seen a sculpture of a warrior stabbing herself in the hair. I mean, she could be doing a handstand while crossing her legs, if we're looking for maximum weirdness.

Danny76 wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Skin wolves were dope looking

I used 6 of them as my Crypt Horrors, as I didn’t like the models.
Built everything from that kit as Varghulfs.

Forgeworld needs to re-release that set. They weren't even that old, since they came out sometime after 2012. I purchased the limited one for more than double his normal cost (tbf, he was OOP for a long time and NIB), but I haven't picked the three other ones up, since they're over $100 on ebay and not NIB (so possible recasts )

But I'd be all over a plastic werewolf kit. Unless GW "AOSed" them up, so that they were wolves, but also clearly not wolves.

With the new lady’s sword and hair pose, couldn’t she of put the sword on her shoulder, then when she looked sideways, the hair draped past and around the sword?

I don’t really have a stake in this model so I don’t really care haha. But it’s not that impossible imo.

Yea, looks like a pass regardless for me, looks like Ebay it is to snag those old sculpts and soon to unavailable for sale sculpts.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
With the new lady’s sword and hair pose, couldn’t she of put the sword on her shoulder, then when she looked sideways, the hair draped past and around the sword?

I don’t really have a stake in this model so I don’t really care haha. But it’s not that impossible imo.

No. I mean I'm not sure it's really worth arguing with - it's just a funny modeling /fail, that's all - but FWIW, no. The physics of that don't work. If you rotate her head back to looking straight forward, you'll see that only accentuates how unnatural it is the way the sword is speared through the hair.

The only way that sword gets there is by being inserted into the hair and pushed through it. If it was placed on her shoulder, it would be on the far side of the model, with the hair between her head and the blade. Just get a broom or something and try laying it on your shoulder and you'll see - the natural motion of your arm is an arc out to the side then back towards your shoulder, not straight up and down.

Yeah, that sword in the gigantic hair looks stupid. It's a shame because otherwise I think that model looks pretty good. Why did they feel the need to give her hair gelled up twice the height of her head? And then have her stick her sword into it?

Still think its less of a 'fail' and more of someone showing off in CAD. Especially with the tress falling on the forward side of blade and the other sloping down the right side of her head to her hip. The sword guards and the body glove under the various pieces of armor and the bodice as well, the whole model is intentionally showing off someone's skill at layering.

Its basically a piece deliberately designed for someone's resume and portfolio. I still like it, but its basically bragging in plastic form.

Voss wrote:
Still think its less of a 'fail' and more of someone showing off in CAD. Especially with the tress falling on the forward side of blade and the other sloping down the right side of her head to her hip. The sword guards and the body glove under the various pieces of armor and the bodice as well, the whole model is intentionally showing off someone's skill at layering.

Its basically a piece deliberately designed for someone's resume and portfolio. I still like it, but its basically bragging in plastic form.

Or maybe the sculptor think depth is important in a sculpture? I'm not particularly bothered about either vamp shown thus far, but find a lot of critiques of GW models to be weirdly cynical and conspiratorial.

JSG wrote:

Voss wrote:
Still think its less of a 'fail' and more of someone showing off in CAD. Especially with the tress falling on the forward side of blade and the other sloping down the right side of her head to her hip. The sword guards and the body glove under the various pieces of armor and the bodice as well, the whole model is intentionally showing off someone's skill at layering.

Its basically a piece deliberately designed for someone's resume and portfolio. I still like it, but its basically bragging in plastic form.

Or maybe the sculptor think depth is important in a sculpture? I'm not particularly bothered about either vamp shown thus far, but find a lot of critiques of GW models to be weirdly cynical and conspiratorial.

Ok...? Because that doesn't sound conspiratorial at all.

It's a departure from GW's usual style for their small scale fightin' game and people are curious about the reasons why. It isn't a 'sculpture' or an 'art installation,' its a game piece of an arena fighter.

Voss wrote:
Still think its less of a 'fail' and more of someone showing off in CAD. Especially with the tress falling on the forward side of blade and the other sloping down the right side of her head to her hip. The sword guards and the body glove under the various pieces of armor and the bodice as well, the whole model is intentionally showing off someone's skill at layering.

Its basically a piece deliberately designed for someone's resume and portfolio. I still like it, but its basically bragging in plastic form.

To me it reads like "artist really wanted to put sword on shoulder, someone higher up insisted on compliance with the Big Hair Mandate, compromise was to have both sword on shoulder and Big Hair, physics be damned."

I don't think it's a massive crime against humanity or anything, don't get me wrong. But once you see it, it's hard to unsee it. I'm not sure I'm ever going to be able to look at the model without seeing her giving herself a haircut in some protest against GW's prescriptive Hair Code.

JSG wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:

Billicus wrote:
I don't get all the "cutting her hair" remarks, that sword would have to be incredibly sharp to have that effect just from running it through her hair, she'd need to hold the hair down and kind of saw back and forth or the hair would just move out of the way surely

It's not that she's literally cutting her hair, it's that there is no way that pose makes any sort of sense. She's resting the sword on her shoulder...but you couldn't do that with that much hair. She's basically stuck her sword into her hair like a massive hairpin. It's a ridiculously manufactured selfie pose. There's no way to get to that pose by laying your sword on your shoulder as an actual way to rest it there. If she did that, the sword would be on top of her hair holding it down against her neck, not underneath it. She's actually speared her sword into her hair, that's the only way to get it where it is.

Is this some running joke I missed? Manufactured poses that are improbable or even impossible are a thing in sculpture and have been for a very long time. Add to that the constraints of sprue size, being a snap fit model and here we are.




-Edited. See rule #1.

Doesn't mean it makes good pose for miniature. We are talking about soldiers. Not fashion models.

Also snap fit? We have just seen painted model and you are already knowing what the sprue is like?

All Underworlds minis are snap fit no?

it is for WH-U so it will be snap fit


and GW sculptors ignoring "what makes sense" for models is nothing new but a part why they have that specific look on them

older models that are made by sculptors who mostly create historical humans with fantasy theme have a more natural look while the newer GW models look different

does not mean "bad" in the first place but they look strange and you cannot say way because one or two minor details are in a way it would never be possible that way in real live without being obvious

The second vampire is worlds better but still I don't know, I'm not really digging their art direction. It feels passionless and dull am I the only one feeling that way ?

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
The second vampire is worlds better but still I don't know, I'm not really digging their art direction. It feels passionless and dull am I the only one feeling that way ?

You're not the only one. As a longtime death player I'm not 100% sold. The 2nd one was a definite improvement but... I don't know... gonna wait until Saturday.

Voss wrote:

JSG wrote:

Voss wrote:
Still think its less of a 'fail' and more of someone showing off in CAD. Especially with the tress falling on the forward side of blade and the other sloping down the right side of her head to her hip. The sword guards and the body glove under the various pieces of armor and the bodice as well, the whole model is intentionally showing off someone's skill at layering.

Its basically a piece deliberately designed for someone's resume and portfolio. I still like it, but its basically bragging in plastic form.

Or maybe the sculptor think depth is important in a sculpture? I'm not particularly bothered about either vamp shown thus far, but find a lot of critiques of GW models to be weirdly cynical and conspiratorial.

Ok...? Because that doesn't sound conspiratorial at all.

It's a departure from GW's usual style for their small scale fightin' game and people are curious about the reasons why. It isn't a 'sculpture' or an 'art installation,' its a game piece of an arena fighter.

No, not really. Your critique fell into "weirdly cynical" anyway.

It's literally is a sculpture that was digitally sculpted by a sculptor, using digital sculpting software. What it's used for doesn't change anything. Especially with GW where they consciously make games to accompany their miniatures rather than the other way around. They've even said they make the models first and then give them rules.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
This would be one of those very rare times I like the older aesthetic more. I do like the older vampire stuff over what little has been shown of the Gravelords. However, two models is hardly definitive. In either case, the faction isn't my jam. So don't think my opinion matters much on the subject.

I do wonder if what I am guessing something like werewolves are going to be in with Gravelords faction making it more of a Monster Squad type faction.

Werewolves have always been much rarer in fantasy for GW - they are in the lore and in Blood Bowl but I can't recall a AOS werewolf model or reference.

As a Vampire/Cat person thats fine but it would be interesting to see them and I do love the old Devourers for Confrontation - they would be a cool faction for AOS

Werewolves are actually a chaos thing, in the form of the now OOP FW Skinwolves.

Spoiler:

I've got the event only one sitting at home, but I'll probably use it for chaos (since it has a big chaos star on its chest). But AOS could introduce werewolves for Death. Though they may go for more of a "bat-men" theme, like vargulfs and things, since that's more original

Edit: The vampire counts also used (still have) to have direwolves, but those were just dead wolves reanimated. \

There are various forms fo shapeshifters in the lore- some Chaos, some Elf and also the CHidlren of Ulric but they have always been quite low key in Warhammer compared to Vamps and (IIRC) have not yet appeared as such in AOS beyond these - I had forgtten them.

They would be a fun new addition to Choas, Order or Death or Destruction either as actual shifters (animals who can become humanoid or vice versa) or Humanoid Wolves etc.

I don't think they will do it for this one though but would be fun and a surpise - still crossed fingers for some kind of cat!

We never actually found out if the "Alter Kindreds" of the Wood Elves were shapeshifters or more totemic ideals. The line was just that they could "assume the traits of the creatures of the wood".

Wasn't there also a chaos warband that could turn into bears? I don't think they got a model in actual bear form, but they had some metal mauraders. I doubt we'll see something like them though, except maybe in The Old World. Savage men turning into bears is a bit too close to Beorn and the Beornlings from The Hobbit, and GW probably wants something that they can definitely claim is original and copyrightable.

So far, we've gotten two different bat feet on pillars, and the arm with a wing. Plus a couple thin hands with long claws, which are possibly related. At the very least, I'm hoping for a varghulf

 GaroRobe wrote:
Wasn't there also a chaos warband that could turn into bears? I don't think they got a model in actual bear form, but they had some metal mauraders. I doubt we'll see something like them though, except maybe in The Old World. Savage men turning into bears is a bit too close to Beorn and the Beornlings from The Hobbit, and GW probably wants something that they can definitely claim is original and copyrightable.

So far, we've gotten two different bat feet on pillars, and the arm with a wing. Plus a couple thin hands with long claws, which are possibly related. At the very least, I'm hoping for a varghulf

The Bearmen of Urslo their leader was a Were-bear. They were a Dogs of War unit.

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Beorg_Bearstruck

 Kanluwen wrote:
We never actually found out if the "Alter Kindreds" of the Wood Elves were shapeshifters or more totemic ideals. The line was just that they could "assume the traits of the creatures of the wood".

Back in early editions (I want to say 3rd) they had the Elf shapeshifters.
The Children of Ulric were werewolves in the Empire and there were wercats as well.
As others have mentioned there is Beorg Bearstruck

A Vargulf would work as a third member of the warband but two vampires as well might be a bit strong?

Likely no stronger than any of Stormcast or Chaos Warrior-equivalent warbands.