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Not blademasters straight up but the water temple warriors first seen　in warcry. Maybe 2 temples tomorrow

Edit: underworld. I keep mixing them

tneva82 wrote:
Not blademasters straight up but the water temple warriors first seen　in warcry. Maybe 2 temples tomorrow

Swordmasters was the name of the old unit.
"blademasters" is just a descriptive way of saying they use sharp things. Because we don't know if it's swords, axes, whatever--the mention in the Lumineth book is just that they sliced some necks open on some Orruks.

I just hope that arch way ends up being terrain...

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Not blademasters straight up but the water temple warriors first seen　in warcry. Maybe 2 temples tomorrow

Swordmasters was the name of the old unit.
"blademasters" is just a descriptive way of saying they use sharp things. Because we don't know if it's swords, axes, whatever--the mention in the Lumineth book is just that they sliced some necks open on some Orruks.

Ah sorry. Anyway we have　seen 1. And silhouette. Unless it's mixed weapon　unit it"s 2　handed　sword

So Teclis has a plan - yeah that will work out well. Like all of his other ones from the End Times onwards.

Teclis, twin god of the realm of Hysh, marches to war with a colossal host of Lumineth Realm-lords at his back. Determined to bring an end to the catastrophic Soul Wars and punish Nagash for his hand in unleashing the Necroquake that twisted the fate of the Mortal Realms, the Archmage and his armies are set to enact their judgement on the realm of Shyish itself.

However a disruption of the power of Nagash would be interesting - if Teclis can release some of the other gods of death etc


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Soulblight might see a Battletome--Lumineth is likely to be "in addition to". Nobody from Morathi aside from Hedonites are seeing a new book...and they did not even get rules in the book.

Hedonites got rules for Idolaters and new battalion - Gresh's Iron Reapers

Idolators is Slaves to Darkness, not Hedonites of Slaanesh.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Idolators is Slaves to Darkness, not Hedonites of Slaanesh.

Ahh your right - sorry my bad!

 Mr Morden wrote:
So Teclis has a plan - yeah that will work out well. Like all of his other ones from the End Times onwards.

Teclis, twin god of the realm of Hysh, marches to war with a colossal host of Lumineth Realm-lords at his back. Determined to bring an end to the catastrophic Soul Wars and punish Nagash for his hand in unleashing the Necroquake that twisted the fate of the Mortal Realms, the Archmage and his armies are set to enact their judgement on the realm of Shyish itself.

However a disruption of the power of Nagash would be interesting - if Teclis can release some of the other gods of death etc

Overwhelming hubris seems a great start (and typical for elfs).
No idea how one would enact judgement on an entire realm, but I'm sure that could in no way be bad and jeopardize the fabric of the... intertwined planes or whatever the AoS setting is.

Nagash does need knocking down a peg or three.

Right now he's got the most unified potential powerbase of all the factions and alliances.


Both Chaos and Urruks suffer the same issue in that whilst they can build vast armies and forces ,they can very easily collapse due to their own internal in-fighting and politics. So they both essentially have a built-in safeguard for other forces being overwhelmed.

All three of Order, Destruction and Chaos all feature the same issue that they have a lot of internal politics and combat between forces. Chaos and Order even have forces that directly hate each other and will never ally except under pressure and Order even has factions that hunt/predate on other Order factions (Idoneth).


Death, however, has only one outlier - Flesheaters. All the other Death forces are allied by force under Nagash. He also has been conquering most of the other undead worlds and since that means a VAST body of souls, Nagash has, in theory, a vast powerbase. Heck his creation, the Ossiarchs, are a display of just how many resources he has in that they can afford to pick the best bone and the best of souls and soul elements to forge legions.


Nagash has a vast powerbase united under him. He needs knocking down a peg before he overwhelms the realms. Even if you just take out Nagash in some form - confuse him, fragment him e tc...; you at least then allow his various factions under him to fight each other more openly; to challenge each other and fall to internal political pressure without the unifying power of Nagash to force them to stop.

i will be disappointed if Mannfred doesn't backstab anyone this time around and screw anyone over.

Sotahullu wrote:
i will be disappointed if Mannfred doesn't backstab anyone this time around and screw anyone over.

He is stuck in that loop....

Lets face it, neither Teclis, nor Nagash, are well know for their plans going particularly well. I suspect Nagash will be knocked down a peg, but the damage done to Shyish will further alienate Teclis from Sigmar and his pantheon.

Teclis was doing a just fine job of that already, given that he and his Teclian Vanguard have been burning continent sized runes into the realms to stabilize them after the effects of the Necroquake.

warl0rdb0b wrote:
Lets face it, neither Teclis, nor Nagash, are well know for their plans going particularly well. I suspect Nagash will be knocked down a peg, but the damage done to Shyish will further alienate Teclis from Sigmar and his pantheon.

Usually Nagash does pretty well until the Skaven turn up

If Teclis can break enough of the other gods of Death free from Nagash it could be interesting and shatter his hold on Shyish - even restore many of the Underworlds.

Sotahullu wrote:
i will be disappointed if Mannfred doesn't backstab anyone this time around and screw anyone over.

He's still trying to figure out how to stab himself in the back, I think.

Not sure why people think Blademasters will be River Temple. Just comparing the armour, they more closely resemble the Vanari Wardens, which would make them part of the Vanari Auralan militia.
Both the Stoneguard and Hurikan Windriders have the same armour patterning as the Alarith Mountain Spirit, in addition to the wild headgear.
Unless it’s written somewhere and I’ve missed it?

diepotato47 wrote:
Not sure why people think Blademasters will be River Temple.

Because the Aelementari Temples are Teclian and the River Temple are specifically called out as:
a) Being infantry
b) Using some form of bladed weapon to open multiple Orruk throats in rapid succession

As a bonus, they would actually be the last temple that actually would require a release of more than one item. There is no mention of a mage for them in the fluff snippet(Wind Temple, on the other hand had their spirit, mages, and riders all called out in theirs) and the actual wording used in "The Symmetry of War" only refers to river warriors while using the term "Alarith supplicants" to describe the Alarith and "those who have found an accord with the winds of Hysh" to describe the Wind Temple. There's a spirit for the River, but it sounds like it might be a weird one to potentially portray.

There's also a mention made that of all the temples?
River is the most common, Alarith is the second most common, Wind is fairly rare, and Zenith(Light) is basically akin to folktales within the Lumineth themselves. Zenith would be reserved in all likelihood for unique characters and a 'support character' type ala Lotann, the Soul Warden for Idoneth.

I do believe, in any regards, once we see the Tyrionic side of things get introduced that we will see the Loreseekers make an appearance. They're individuals who are supposed to be walking "in the light of the sun and the moon" and be skilled with blade and spell.

Just comparing the armour, they more closely resemble the Vanari Wardens, which would make them part of the Vanari Auralan militia.
Both the Stoneguard and Hurikan Windriders have the same armour patterning as the Alarith Mountain Spirit, in addition to the wild headgear.
Unless it’s written somewhere and I’ve missed it?

The armour patterning is slightly different for each, it's just the paintjobs are similar.

The Hurakan Windriders are closer to the Auralan Sentinels in terms of their wargear than anything else. Single pauldron, leather gloves rather than bracers. The helm even looks to be using the Sentinel helmet as a 'base' before adding on the decorative top bit.

It's entirely possible that speculating that it's River Temple is wrong. It just feels like a closer fit than an unnamed Vanari sword unit that sees no mention at all in the lore so far. We have mention of scouts, artillery specialists, and charioteers in addition to the three known Vanari(Sentinels, Wardens, and Dawnriders) types.

We've actually just seen our first Tyrionic element in the form of the "Lord-Regent". There's a mention of Lady-Regents, Marshals, and Masters-At-Arms...but no mention, yet, of anything that fits a swordmaster-y unit outside of the River Temple and the Loreseekers, who are mentioned as individuals rather than units.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
i will be disappointed if Mannfred doesn't backstab anyone this time around and screw anyone over.

He is stuck in that loop....

What loop?

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
i will be disappointed if Mannfred doesn't backstab anyone this time around and screw anyone over.

He is stuck in that loop....

What loop?

The sudden and inevitable betrayal loop, I think.
Whenever GW manages to remember Manfred exists, he inevitably smashes the betrayal button.

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I am disappointed that the narrator in the Teclis video wasn't actually Australian

tneva82 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I wonder if this is intended as LRL battletome 1.5 and Soulblight battletome, or is in addition to (kinda sucky if the factions would have to buy 2 books at the same time to have all their rules)

It's like br1. Additional rules. Not replacement. Books for book　god is gw's mantra. Aos is light compared to 40k.

It's just new rules in addition. Also strong hint tyrion and his forces won't come yet. Likely those come with new battle tome later(either　new combined lumineth or separate you can use together or as allies).

So the way it works in AoS is a bit different from 40k.

Take Morathi for example. It offers new options for a number of forces, but these replace existing options if used rather than adding to them (or cost points to take as in the case of the battalions). The 40k equivalent would be a campaign book adding rules for additional space marine chapters. Existing players lose nothing by not having the content. There were warscroll updates in Morathi too--which are also free to download, like all the AoS warscrolls. The only thing that the campaign book does add as an upgrade is mount traits for Idoneth, which are free rules making Idoneth (and only Idoneth) at a small disadvantage if they do not have access to the contents.

Lumineth will likely be in a similar boat. Because of how their allegiance abilities work new temples can be slotted in without trouble, but they would need their own allegiance abilities that would presumably come in the campaign book. Models released for existing temples (like the hero recently previewed) do not need this extra content and are ready to go using only the free warscroll.

Lumineth players will likely need this supplement to access their full army, BUT only if the player wants to use the new temple units. If they don't fancy kangaroos and want to keep playing with what they already have they will not lose anything by not having the campaign book. Though that is of course going only off precedent and what limited information we have so could easily change. The most likely addition would be artifacts & command traits for the new hero--that the vast majority of players will not use anyway since they are fixed by the totally-not-mandatory* choice of sub faction.

*You can technically forego choosing a sub faction, but this would be the equivalent of playing space marines without a chapter tactic.

Voss wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
i will be disappointed if Mannfred doesn't backstab anyone this time around and screw anyone over.

He is stuck in that loop....

What loop?

The sudden and inevitable betrayal loop, I think.
Whenever GW manages to remember Manfred exists, he inevitably smashes the betrayal button.

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I am disappointed that the narrator in the Teclis video wasn't actually Australian

Yeah Manfred and betrayal, goes hand in hand

I’m glad the whole Australian thing was just a quick video joke because of the response to the leaks.
And now we can go back to normals business (Though I’m sure they’ll note on it in today’s preview).

I guess these videos were made well in advance anyway though, so maybe it’ll all change..

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I wonder if this is intended as LRL battletome 1.5 and Soulblight battletome, or is in addition to (kinda sucky if the factions would have to buy 2 books at the same time to have all their rules)

It's like br1. Additional rules. Not replacement. Books for book　god is gw's mantra. Aos is light compared to 40k.

It's just new rules in addition. Also strong hint tyrion and his forces won't come yet. Likely those come with new battle tome later(either　new combined lumineth or separate you can use together or as allies).

So the way it works in AoS is a bit different from 40k.

Take Morathi for example. It offers new options for a number of forces, but these replace existing options if used rather than adding to them (or cost points to take as in the case of the battalions). The 40k equivalent would be a campaign book adding rules for additional space marine chapters. Existing players lose nothing by not having the content. There were warscroll updates in Morathi too--which are also free to download, like all the AoS warscrolls. The only thing that the campaign book does add as an upgrade is mount traits for Idoneth, which are free rules making Idoneth (and only Idoneth) at a small disadvantage if they do not have access to the contents.

Lumineth will likely be in a similar boat. Because of how their allegiance abilities work new temples can be slotted in without trouble, but they would need their own allegiance abilities that would presumably come in the campaign book. Models released for existing temples (like the hero recently previewed) do not need this extra content and are ready to go using only the free warscroll.

Lumineth players will likely need this supplement to access their full army, BUT only if the player wants to use the new temple units. If they don't fancy kangaroos and want to keep playing with what they already have they will not lose anything by not having the campaign book. Though that is of course going only off precedent and what limited information we have so could easily change. The most likely addition would be artifacts & command traits for the new hero--that the vast majority of players will not use anyway since they are fixed by the totally-not-mandatory* choice of sub faction.

*You can technically forego choosing a sub faction, but this would be the equivalent of playing space marines without a chapter tactic.

There likely won't be any new allegiance abilities for Lumineth here. There's no temple specific allegiance abilities that would replace existing ones when used as the Lumineth subfactions are great nations. 4 for Teclis, 4 for Tyrion and almost certain Tyrion isn't coming back.

What we are going to get is wind&maybe water temples, their unit rules that are same regardless of which subfaction you play(the ignore -1 rend for stoneguard and the push enemy forward being stone one) plus battalions. And these are pure additions that don't replace anything from lumineth book(except in terms of competiveness if something is obviously better than other stuff)

Pretty disappointing reveal for me, the good stuff was shown already and I am not really enthused by the avatar of the wind.
Grabbed some screen shots of the things shown only silhouette;


Thoughts? Mage of some sort, banner bearer, artillery piece, something, river warriors and some other hero?

Oh dear, did they go with the multiple-string silliness on the not-a-bolt-thrower-honest?

The top and bottom are fairly likely to be "Loreseekers". They're individuals as adept with blade as they are spell. They're also said to be both Tyrionic and Teclian.

The banner bearer is likely to be a Marshal or Master-At-Arms, mentioned in the same spot as the Lord+Lady Regents(which are the other character they previewed this week) and are Tyrionic characters.

The artillery bit is...interesting to say the least. The rest of it is...yeah, no idea.

The one above the blade masters looks like a model standing on top of another.

Like an elf version of the twins.

I dig the flying fox guy, but while I can appreciate he brought enough arrows to last an entire battle or 3, I find the large quiver kind of takes away from the model.

I'm really coming around to Lumineth models. Still dislike the round maces, cowhelms and mountain-cow models, but everything in this new release preview is fantastic! Love the roo-riders, love the ibek riding lord, love the fox archer, love the swordsmasters. Most of them still need headswaps, but that's easy. Hopefully the fox spirit will have a bare head, but probably unlikely

More than unlikely. The 'masks' are crafted by each Temple to allow the spirit to animate the constructs. The removal of the mask forces the spirit out of its construct.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
The one above the blade masters looks like a model standing on top of another.

Like an elf version of the twins.

Might be a wind mage as they were mentioned and I thinks there’s an image or a rumour engine that might link to that.