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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yeah, so, why were people talking about “fire elves” earlier then?
Did someone hear elemental temples and jump straight to Classical Greek elements or what?
(Also do not have the tome)

Person didn't likely have tome either and went on classical elements. There's no fire elements in battle tome. Did have these 4 though plus tons of mention on tyrion's martial side. Rangers, chariots, war machines.

Right, sick memes and ignorance then. Standard internet fare, should have guessed.

Also wouldn’t fire elves come from Chamon, if anywhere?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Right, sick memes and ignorance then. Standard internet fare, should have guessed.

Also wouldn’t fire elves come from Chamon, if anywhere?

Aqshy. Which is covered by the Fyreslayers as the elemental realm army. Though to be fair we also have the Phoenix Guard...

Phoenix Guard aren't elemental warriors, they just fight with (and are bonded with) different Phoenix's. It's more of a religious association than anything else.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Right, sick memes and ignorance then. Standard internet fare, should have guessed.

Also wouldn’t fire elves come from Chamon, if anywhere?

I'll cop to ignorance of what precisely is in the books, but 'sick memes' is just insulting.
Fire was a logical extrapolation of where the one direction this army has is going.
If it's even more directionless than I thought, that isn't my fault.

"The Spirefall was the result of the unchecked hubris of the Lumineth, whose raw talent and mastery of art, philosophy, martial pursuits, and magic gave them little reason for humility. The short version? They sought endlessly to outdo one another, and these rivalries culminated in a devastating internecine war. So great was the power they unleashed that the resulting energies attracted and empowered the Dark Gods, Slaanesh in particular, giving rise to the Age of Chaos. Yes, that Age of Chaos."

Stupid Pre-Lumineth. They pull an Eldar, just with less excess and hedonism.

Love that the Wind-spirit has a unnamed version, which still looks cool but is also different enough than the named version.

Are we expecting any of the river aelementor in the upcoming release? They seem to have pretty established lore and are common enough that it would be weird not to have at least one. Unless the Underworld guy is one of them?

Voss wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Right, sick memes and ignorance then. Standard internet fare, should have guessed.

Also wouldn’t fire elves come from Chamon, if anywhere?

I'll cop to ignorance of what precisely is in the books, but 'sick memes' is just insulting.
Fire was a logical extrapolation of where the one direction this army has is going.
If it's even more directionless than I thought, that isn't my fault.

Ah lol. "i make　baseless assumptions without bothering to check already existing facts and if　i go wrong　it's not my fault"

Okay straight to ignore list since you just troll with　"i know better than others" attitude

Stupid Pre-Lumineth. They pull an Eldar, just with less excess and hedonism.

GW has exactly one plotline for Elves, in space or not.

Cronch wrote:

Stupid Pre-Lumineth. They pull an Eldar, just with less excess and hedonism.

GW has exactly one plotline for Elves, in space or not.

Ehh... it's the same plotline in the sense that King Arthur and Star Wars New Hope are the same plotline. Similarities in the overall arc, but all the details are different.

Cronch wrote:

Stupid Pre-Lumineth. They pull an Eldar, just with less excess and hedonism.

GW has exactly one plotline for Elves, in space or not.

It’s not even their plot line. This is lifted wholesale from Tolkien.

Oh gods you can take more than one fox-creature-archer?!!

Gah must remain strong - must resist temptation.

Elves and Dwarves have the same "Historical" plotline in 90% of all fantasy.

 Overread wrote:
Oh gods you can take more than one fox-creature-archer?!!

Gah must remain strong - must resist temptation.

Yes. Yes you can.

They're likely Behemoths though so it could be messy.

This one rest the arrow on the correct side.

Cronch wrote:
If I pay them for keeping the roof from leaking at all and they just slap a strip of duct-tape on one of the holes then yes, they deserve not spit but a paddling, the lazy buggers. GW isn't doing us a favor by fixing their products, it's not charity, it's part of product support that we pay their exorbitant prices for.

Several problems here:

-The assumption that people are buying the product with the expectation it will become better in the future for free. When one buys something they should look at it and think "is this item worth this cost to me?" And if the answer is no that individual should not be buying it in the first place.

-The assumption that GW has a responsibility to make the Warcry units completely integrated in AoS. These are models for a related but ultimately separate game that we got AoS rules & reboxing for. That we can use them in AoS at all is already extra; Necromunda gangs status in 40k is the alternative. If GW is going to put them in AoS there is a basic responsibility that they are good enough to be viable, which most of them are. No, they aren't particularly good. Neither are the majority of units in the game. They are side-units from another game shoehorned into AoS.

-This is hardly duct tape. It is a massive improvement over the previous situation and diversifies player options in a big way while not kicking down the doors for them to be chaff in every mono-God army. They gave narrative players and converters an entire canvas to paint on without damaging the experience for more matched minded players and that is pretty cool. And even if it was duct tape, that is still something good that they did. If the only response to them improving things (even things they broke in the first place) is negative feedback then it does not exactly encourage them to make further fixes.

IMO it is attitudes like yours being so widespread that gives GW an impression making fixes isn't all that valuable because so many people will be unhappy regardless. I see feedback like yours as a supporting brick to why we have to deal with all the balance issues we do.

AoS is a better game now than it was before this change. I am pleased by that and am going to offer equivalent feedback as such. Were they addressing a flaw they themselves created? Yes--and I already issued my criticism of that flaw when it arrived and I'm not taking that back or saying my previous negative feedback is void. I am giving positive feedback for a positive change. Further, were I to react negatively to a positive change it would dilute the legitimacy of past and future criticisms; how much of my opinion would be a fair assessment and how much would it be me black-knighting to hate on everything GW does? Because I am sure we can all agree that is a thing.

IMO it is attitudes like yours being so widespread that gives GW an impression making fixes isn't all that valuable because so many people will be unhappy regardless. I see feedback like yours as a supporting brick to why we have to deal with all the balance issues we do.

Yeah, it's all me and people like me that demand effort on behalf of a small indie company like Games Workshop. Christ.

Cronch wrote:

IMO it is attitudes like yours being so widespread that gives GW an impression making fixes isn't all that valuable because so many people will be unhappy regardless. I see feedback like yours as a supporting brick to why we have to deal with all the balance issues we do.

Yeah, it's all me and people like me that demand effort on behalf of a small indie company like Games Workshop. Christ.

Hopefully the new Warhammer Quest will have scarecrow zombies so you can have a visual representation of that straw man, but in the meantime there's a blood bowl lineman that should work.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Oh gods you can take more than one fox-creature-archer?!!

Gah must remain strong - must resist temptation.

Yes. Yes you can.

They're likely Behemoths though so it could be messy.

Do you think they will be? They don't seem that big to me. Or is that a 100mm base?

That's actually a good question. They didn't really show us anything 'to scale' for it. I'm just guessing though...if it's smaller, then oh hell yes I'm going to be thrilled.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's actually a good question. They didn't really show us anything 'to scale' for it. I'm just guessing though...if it's smaller, then oh hell yes I'm going to be thrilled.

Well there is this artwork:




So I think it not as big (how tall is another question) then Spirit Mountain but it not small either. Maybe manticore or cavalry size as a model but base is maybe as big as 80mm.

I sure hope the foxes are limited by battle role. The last thing we need in the Lumineth is more god-like archers that can snipe you from anywhere on the table.

...then there is most likely a repeated bolt-thrower ballista to come as war-engine later, so... *sighs* We're all doomend, aren't we ?

@NinthMusketeer

I agree with what most of what you are saying.

I have a bunch of Warcry cultists more from the fact they are cool models I wanted to paint and maybe someday use them in D&D more than play in AoS. Even in Age of Sigmar, I make use of Warcry cultists most games when I am playing my Slaves to Darkness army. With Ravagers, they work fine as something to summon around the table edges for a CP. I have never been too bothered by lack of Marks of Chaos. As you mentioned, a few of the cults work fine on their own for what they bring.

My Warcry Cultists are only wholly within the command aura of heroes by accident. So even if they did have Marks of Chaos it wouldn't really do anything for them most of the time. I also typically go all Chaos Undivided for my army. Chances are better than not, that a unit of Warcry Cultists are going to be removed entirely than ever have to worry about failing a Bravery test. So outside my General and Warshrine, Marks of Chaos are completely useless to me anyways.

Of course, that is not to say I wouldn't alter my tactics if they had Marks. I probably would. I think this change is pretty good in that I had no interest in Idolaters before. Now, with the significant number of Warcry Cultists I have, it does make it something worth considering to change up how I play my collection. Which really is only a good thing.

The thing that irks me is a number of models in the StD lineup are undivided and mechanically speaking should have the keyword so they properly fit into the allegiance. The Darkoath heroes and the Ogroid Myrmidon aren't benefiting from the main allegiance ability of StD. These aren't auxiliary assets like a hemorrhoid crusher, these are relatively generic hero choices, from a design and fluff perspective they should have the Undivided keyword. I personally think the warcry cultists should too, but I can also understand an argument otherwise.

Something I have rarely seen GW do is limited marking. I still hope they will explore this eventually, as it is characterful and would work great with the warcry cults. 'Limited marks' being when a unit has access to marks of chaos but only some of them as befitting the unit in question. Wizards are the main example, being they can take all but Khorne. But what if an Ogroid Myrmidon could take anything but Tzeentch, because it is not magically/schemingly inclined? Or Cypher Lords only being able to mark undivided, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh. Could be a very interesting direction.

Honestly I think the idea of limited marking is what they've done with the way they approached the old Demons of Chaos book - fragmenting it into four separate armies which are steadily getting not just demons but mortal followers.
If anything I would hope once Slaanesh is out we will see GW revisiting each of the four and starting to add a few more demons. Each one is running on almost the same demons that they were back in Old World; whilst the mortal side has expanded greatly.



So I think GW is already there; but perhaps needs to revisit the demonic side

Truthfully, the only thing that needs to really happen with regards to the WarCry/Underworlds stuff is actually differentiating things out a bit better. They should be a unit of low-grade Leaders on the Underworlds side, and a mix of Leader(s) and Unit(s) on the WarCry side.

Loving the new fox archer.
Looking at the fancy crap on its base, I’m assuming it’s celestant prime sized maybe?
Edit: having looked again I’m thinking 60mm at most.
The detail is much wider than that base.
It’s also not coated in needless details like they do with the larger sculpts.


I’ll just be happy if they get nothing else magic related.
Any army that relies on magic is entirely shut down by them to the point it’s not even funny.
Even Kroaknado struggles, which says it all.

We'll be getting the needed martial heroes as well. Lord Regent on Goldhorn, Loremaster v2, BSB and so on. I'm rather looking forward to the fox as well as swordmasters v2. I hope they introduce a few special banners for the bsb, particularly if they give the nod to their predecessors (lion, battle and so on).

Hopefully they'll sort the delays/papers before the second part of the Lumineth is ready for shipping. Otherwise, the Dutch will notice the increase of new warehouses in their neighbourhood.

Article on Hedonites (with kickass art): https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/02/the-dark-prince-returns-find-out-what-that-means-for-the-hedonites-of-slaanesh/



Also, book coming later this month.

Sotahullu wrote:
Also, book coming later this month.

With the biweekly release schedule pre-order will either be the 13th or 27th.

I'm hoping the 13th. Whilst 27th is valid it seems rather "late" for the big release of the month. That said it will make the 13th an expensive week since there's also the Black Library event happening at the same time or the day before etc..

Still getting new battletomes AND Xenos 2 lorebok will be awesome in itself.

This Slaaneshi artwork is absolutely brilliant. Makes me so hopeful for when they eventually get around to EC in 40k