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Cronch wrote:
All depends on points. 3 shots with 4+ 4+ is really not that much.

18" range and -1 rend are the parts I'm keying on. Especially compared to what my Kharadron get for shooting.

I mean, Thunderers are still better choice imo, but we'll have to see the whole stat and cost to judge. I bet you they will have trash defense to "balance" it.

They're 5 for 180 points. Presumably 2 wounds on a 5+ at the very best. That's awfully squishy.

let us know what unit you’re most looking forward to, and why it’s Sigvald.

I do enjoy it when they come up with lines like this

yukishiro1 wrote:
They're 5 for 180 points. Presumably 2 wounds on a 5+ at the very best. That's awfully squishy.

I've seen a leak that has them at 4W, but yes 5+.

Oh man, the units look so squishy. There might be some synergy i'm missing, but myrmidesh are pretty trashy rn.

Cronch wrote:
All depends on points. 3 shots with 4+ 4+ is really not that much.

Well vs 4+ save outperforms say lumineth archer. Shorter range but faster. Depends on points of course.

Looks like a good chunk of the book has leaked: https://imgur.com/a/IQwK855

I love that each batle round has a different meal/ability for Gluttos.

Preorders are up in NZ for those that want to 360 the models

Siegval has, something odd going on with his thighs - he's got a thigh cape!

 Overread wrote:

Siegval has, something odd going on with his thighs - he's got a thigh cape!

You monster. You made me look closely at his legs and realize they sculpted him with some mighty thicc glutes

 Sasori wrote:
Looks like a good chunk of the book has leaked: https://imgur.com/a/IQwK855

Oh my, there are some seriously powerful artifact toys there.

I do find the warscrolls attractive. They did not go too hard with special abilities, and there is a lot of consistency between analogous models (all the myrmadesh guys do MWs on 6s to wound, for example). I do fantasize that the twinsouls leader had an ability for the mirror thing, but overall I am really glad GW went with a straightforward position for the troops and left the crazy stuff to spells and centerpiece models.

Obviously the full context has yet to be exposed, but for the most part the warscrolls here seem reasonable to me in their potency, with only a couple exceptions. The healing hand on the KoS remains far better than the other options, which is a turn off, and that daemonette battalion could have a choke hold on meta lists if it is cheap enough.

Hellstriders are - odd at present. Leaked points have put them up, but they've lost their original soul ability and instead now get a bonus only on the charge.

So they feel like they've gone up in points, but actually down in overall power. Which is odd considering I don't think anyone considered them overpowered before.


The most annoying thing though is that the clawspears feel underwhelming. They get a bonus +1 damage on a charge and have -1 rending, but otherwise have less attacks and less reach (only 1inch) compared to the whips which have 3 inches of reach and get a -1 to hits against them within 3 inches on the charge.

Clawspears feel like they originally had some kind of "retreat and charge in the same turn" ability letting them ping their charge ability multiple times. Otherwise whilst the rending is nice, they feel a bit underwhelming compared to whips

LOL, they gave the archers 4 wounds each. 20 wounds for 180 points. That seems...dubious. As well as flat-out weird that they have double the wounds of a seeker or hellstrider. And more than a deathrider or chaos knight (!).

They also seem to have jacked up the price on everything again (e.g. the mounted dudes are 130 NZ for 5, compared to 115NZ for 5 deathriders), which, while not exactly surprising at this point, is certainly doubling down on the "there is no price point that our player base won't swallow" theory.

I think the new mounts are bigger, but I do agree pushing the price up on them is not something I'm happy about.

It's annoying though because the complaint to GW is "I don't like this price - I'm paying it - but I don't like it" which on their end is "the price worked".

IT is rather stark when the new mounts are near double the hellstriders though!

 Overread wrote:


IT is rather stark when the new mounts are near double the hellstriders though!

More than double, actually - 64 vs 130.

 Overread wrote:
I think the new mounts are bigger...

Slickblade Seekrs are on 75mm ovals compared to the 60mm ovals of the Hellstriders of Slaanesh.

I think the new mounts are considerably larger, thus +2 wounds instead of the +1 from a normal steed. Given they are ridden by 2w models it makes sense they would be 4w. I'm assuming archers who get an exalted steed are sufficiently blessed to hit 2w status. I still think it would be better if they were 3w, but they may have considered that too shooty for a chaos unit.


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 Overread wrote:
Hellstriders are - odd at present. Leaked points have put them up, but they've lost their original soul ability and instead now get a bonus only on the charge.

So they feel like they've gone up in points, but actually down in overall power. Which is odd considering I don't think anyone considered them overpowered before.


The most annoying thing though is that the clawspears feel underwhelming. They get a bonus +1 damage on a charge and have -1 rending, but otherwise have less attacks and less reach (only 1inch) compared to the whips which have 3 inches of reach and get a -1 to hits against them within 3 inches on the charge.

Clawspears feel like they originally had some kind of "retreat and charge in the same turn" ability letting them ping their charge ability multiple times. Otherwise whilst the rending is nice, they feel a bit underwhelming compared to whips

I agree. While I like each unit getting an ability associated with their weapon to better distinguish them as separate units, the claw spear should be 2 attacks. If it was 2 attacks they would be perfectly balanced with their whippy counterparts.

Aye, clawblades need something to make them stand out. Right now there's honestly no real tempting reason to take them over whips. Which is a shame as I do really like the weapon itself as a shape and design.




That said overall what I'm really liking is how no one has spotted a power-combo yet. In fact looking around at FB and TGA groups its clear that there's a lot of chatter on different builds, which I thin is fantastic and perhaps the best thing for any Battletome or Codex. That it can offer multiple ways to play without a clear winner. It opens it up for different builds, play styles, variety and also just using more of your collection in an active manner. Being able to run all those seekers that you got through getting started sets and the like in a seeker based force; or going for all those demons or a strong mortal focus etc... Or even leaning back toward the old multi-keeper build without feeling dirty using it.

 Sasori wrote:
Looks like a good chunk of the book has leaked: https://imgur.com/a/IQwK855

Well i'm a bit off from the relase cycle but a local FLGS got the book and models today in the store.

And unless i'm mistaken it should be preorder this saturday for next weekend right?

 Lord Perversor wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Looks like a good chunk of the book has leaked: https://imgur.com/a/IQwK855

Well i'm a bit off from the relase cycle but a local FLGS got the book and models today in the store.

And unless i'm mistaken it should be preorder this saturday for next weekend right?

Yes, pre orders are tomorrow for Slaanesh and Daughters of Khaine (who get a new book, Endless Spells and some dice - though oddly no warscroll cards and the dice are not anywhere near as nice as normal - functional if plain for GW's pricey dice).

Ugh, I really hope Slaangor kit has more then 1 sprue...

That slaangors scroll is downright bizarre. The normal, non-champion ones are flat out *terrible* for the points, but the champion is actually quite good. So you'd never want to run them in units bigger than 3...except that the MW at the end of combat thing is only going to kick in with a bigger unit, and even then is dubious value for the points on things that die to a stiff breeze.

I guess schizophrenic is not actually off-brand for Slaanesh, but I just don't see why anyone would actually want to use them.

Sotahullu wrote:
Ugh, I really hope Slaangor kit has more then 1 sprue...

From what's on the NZ site already, it looks like it's one sprue with a few options for the kit (horns, claws, etc).

I'm not going to call anything without getting more exposed. How summoning works is a big factor. Sub-factions can also bend balance into all sorts of strange positions. (Looking at you, Petrifax)

 Ghaz wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
Ugh, I really hope Slaangor kit has more then 1 sprue...

From what's on the NZ site already, it looks like it's one sprue with a few options for the kit (horns, claws, etc).

Spoiler:

Yeah, I was afraid of that. Wish it had another sprue with maybe one more body and just a mess of limbs and heads.
The fact that they're roughly ogre sized really limits appropriate sized bits for conversions.

Sadly all of the Slaanesh stuff seems to be packed with pretty much only the necessities, and few extras like heads or weapons for conversions.

It's hard to tell but I think I count only one (and maybe three?) different head options in the cavalry kit, and no extras with the archers.

I do hope that sooner rather than later they release a glaive infantry kit in the Harem pants and masks that the underworlds warband has just to give us more body and head options.

Carlovonsexron wrote:
Sadly all of the Slaanesh stuff seems to be packed with pretty much only the necessities, and few extras like heads or weapons for conversions.

It's hard to tell but I think I count only one (and maybe three?) different head options in the cavalry kit, and no extras with the archers.

I do hope that sooner rather than later they release a glaive infantry kit in the Harem pants and masks that the underworlds warband has just to give us more body and head options.

I believe there is one sword arm option for the
champion on the archers sprue like it is the case for
the slaangors but it looks like to be it.

Monopose deal I think, without option to change heads between bodies.

I think it's a deliberate shift. They don't want to give you options, because the feeds the bits market, which they don't directly profit from. With a lot of their recent kits, they seem to have actually gone out of their way to make it difficult to swap or magnetize bits. So many kits have arms that come together with the body at weird, non-right-angles that seem to exist for no reason other than to make it hard to swap, and they almost all have fixed torsos these days.

IMO these miniatures are gorgeous and I think criticizing the bits is missing the forest for the trees. If loosing a bunch of mundane pose options and some extra arms & heads means getting the fantastic dynamic poses these guys have I am all for it. This isn't a dwarf release where having the models in basic static pose looks good, these are the devoted of Slaanesh and their posing should be as excessive as they are. Besides two of these are dual kits; they will have a ton of bits left over.