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As I see it the big question is what are GW's intentions with regular skeletons. If they are being rolled in as the troop component of vampire forces then that's basically the entire current Legion of Nagash.

However GW could very well have vampires be their own thing and splinter out of the Legion and then later boost the Legion significantly with a lot more regular skeletons to reflect Nagash's skeleton forces. Yes he's got his elite guard in the Ossiarchs, but the lore is chock full of him using regular skeleton undead (even so far as having legions of them marching across his realm to each bring back a single grain of sand!)


One kit I'm curious on is if the zombie kit will survive this update! It's probably one of GW's most ugly kits that even a good paint job won't easily save.

Based off Cursed City, I think we'll see zombies reimagined into the grave-back guys and gals. Those zombies don't have any special name and, like them or hate them, they're a unique take on the walking dead.

The corpse cart is a great model, but I think we'll see that get redesigned too. Maybe as a big center piece model

I knew the day for Krell would come. Thats why I bought him 2 years ago even if I don't play any form of undead in fantasy. But his sculpt was just soo good.

I have used him many times as a undead-chaos lord on my khorne army.

I really think that Soulblight Gravelords will replace LoN, otherwise it would just be Soulblight "Something". "Gravelords" sounds to me as be a generic term for any undead force/ruler.

Besides, vampire + skeletons is kinda iconic.

*shrug*

We'll see how it plays out. I don't see Legions of Nagash going away, I do see the potential for a niche being carved out for Soulblight Vampires as an independent faction that has the ability to pull a Cities of Sigmar or Stormkeep from BR: Morathi and take a certain amount of LoN stuff in.

 Kanluwen wrote:
*shrug*

We'll see how it plays out. I don't see Legions of Nagash going away, I do see the potential for a niche being carved out for Soulblight Vampires as an independent faction that has the ability to pull a Cities of Sigmar or Stormkeep from BR: Morathi and take a certain amount of LoN stuff in.

That would be my hope - but I am not sure that GW will allow mixed Death/Order Factions - even though it would only amount to a few word changes.

When I say "ability to pull a Cities of Sigmar or Stormkeep"...I mean that they would allow for you to do the whole "1 in 4 units can be taken from Legions of Nagash" schtick.

If they wanted to go for something really fun? They could take Deathrattle stuff out of Legions of Nagash and put it with Gravelords, then fold Ossiarch and Nighthaunt in with the Legions.

Isnt the writing on the wall for the vampires coming as an undead faction independent of Nagash?

That seems to be the jist of the upcoming book, the Lumineth finding a way to loosen Nagash's grip on all things dead.

Carlovonsexron wrote:
Isnt the writing on the wall for the vampires coming as an undead faction independent of Nagash?

That seems to be the jist of the upcoming book, the Lumineth finding a way to loosen Nagash's grip on all things dead.

That's a fandom meme. A bit like how vampirates were inevitable because muh vidya.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Cronch wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

IT's actually frustrating what's disappearing - I preferred Kemmler to the current plastic Necromancer and Krell is the only option atm for a Wight King with Black Axe.

The models are well over 20 years old, not like they're pulling them before giving you a chance to buy them...

Krell wasn't over 20 years old. Kemmler was, true but also a very, very iconic sculpt complete with some BL history with Gotrek and Felix.

The Eldar Avatar is even older. Don't see that being discontinued?

For the record, this sort of response? Not useful, contributes nothing and just comes across as someone trying to snark. Sorry I didn't decide to look at a Death army til recently. My bad.

The sculpts might've been iconic (Krell was nice, I thought Kemmler was goofy in the same way original clown Nagash was, since they date back to the same design era). Avatar is not getting discontinued because GW doesn't care for eldar one bit.

The reply was not snarky, the reply was just stating the somewhat obvious fact that those models were old and have been available for a long time (and yes, Krell is rather younger sculpt, I forgot, but it's still been years since it was released), at some point they have to be replaced, no company can afford to produce every model it designed from the start of time, you can't buy Model T from Ford dealership either.

I can see them making a new model to replace Krell's generic HQ slot. The model itself is fantastic, but it's also finecast, so I can't see it sticking around.

As for Legions of Nagash, I can see them being rolled into Soulblight. Look at what they did with Ironjawz and Bonesplittaz. They just got merged into one large faction. Same with how Beastclaw raiders were pushed back into Ogor Mawtribes. I'm sure both books let you do solely ironjawz, beastclaw armies, etc, but the recent trend was to combine similar factions into one

Legions of Nagash already exists and Soulblight is a subfaction within it.

Soulblight Gravelords, whatever it actually will be, is a new faction tag. We've only seen it because someone leaked the packaging for the upcoming Vampire Lord on foot model which has it.


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JSG wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
Isnt the writing on the wall for the vampires coming as an undead faction independent of Nagash?

That seems to be the jist of the upcoming book, the Lumineth finding a way to loosen Nagash's grip on all things dead.

That's a fandom meme. A bit like how vampirates were inevitable because muh vidya.

The second part is a fandom meme, yes. All that's known so far about Broken Realms: Teclis is that Teclis is invading Shyish.

We don't know what is happening with regards to the actual fallout of the book or whatnots. Cannot stress this part enough. All we have is leaked packaging for a "Soulblight Gravelords Vampire Lord". Maybe they're adding "Gravelords" to the Soulblight tag within Legions of Nagash. Maybe it's expanding Soulblight into a full-sized faction ala Daughters of Khaine.

Soulblight is it's own allegiance--not a sub-faction. And it actually has a decent number of plastic options surprisingly enough. That said it is not viewed as a 'real' army because the two-page allegiance abilities just aren't enough to make them viable. Presumably Soulblight Gravelords is an update to this, getting an extra adjectivenoun in the title because armies aren't allowed to have one-word names. Alternatively they are a replacement for LoN as a whole, but personally I think that is less likely.

Either way it is an update to an existing allegiance rather than a totally new one. My bet is it will be Soulblight but with a 1-per-4 rule on deathratte and zombies.

Also worth note is that "soulblight" is not the AoS term for vampire--they are a specific type of vampire. Ghoul kings are another, and we have seen mention of a potential third kind in White Dwarf (which may be tied to some of the new WQ models).

Are Malignants still a thing? They've got a Start Collecting thing, but with the exception of the Mortis Engine, Nighthaunts have the spooky ghost faction covered

its a keyword that was never really developed. I think nighthaunt filled that design space leaving the Engine homeless.

Cronch wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Cronch wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

IT's actually frustrating what's disappearing - I preferred Kemmler to the current plastic Necromancer and Krell is the only option atm for a Wight King with Black Axe.

The models are well over 20 years old, not like they're pulling them before giving you a chance to buy them...

Krell wasn't over 20 years old. Kemmler was, true but also a very, very iconic sculpt complete with some BL history with Gotrek and Felix.

The Eldar Avatar is even older. Don't see that being discontinued?

For the record, this sort of response? Not useful, contributes nothing and just comes across as someone trying to snark. Sorry I didn't decide to look at a Death army til recently. My bad.

The sculpts might've been iconic (Krell was nice, I thought Kemmler was goofy in the same way original clown Nagash was, since they date back to the same design era). Avatar is not getting discontinued because GW doesn't care for eldar one bit.

The reply was not snarky, the reply was just stating the somewhat obvious fact that those models were old and have been available for a long time (and yes, Krell is rather younger sculpt, I forgot, but it's still been years since it was released), at some point they have to be replaced, no company can afford to produce every model it designed from the start of time, you can't buy Model T from Ford dealership either.

Just to chime in here, that particular version of Krell may not have been 20 years old, but Kemmler and Krell are 30+ years old going back to 2nd or even 1st edition with the La Maisontaal Abbey scenario- Revenge of the Lichemaster, from Citadel Journal, Spring 1986. They predate Gotrek and Felix by a fair bit and Nagash by even longer, as _the_ iconic necromancer and wight lord of the setting.

Cronch wrote:
its a keyword that was never really developed. I think nighthaunt filled that design space leaving the Engine homeless.

Pretty much. Even Hachette seem aware of this as they're including the Mortis Engine as part of the Nighthaunt lot for Mortal Realms.

Nighthaunt need some work doing to them.

LoN...I know it's meant to represent some sort of grand 'unified' faction but it seems so very patchwork filled with half factions and skimming from the more established ones.

I think, to be honest it needs to be redone.

Soulblight as their own sub-faction with further sub-factions that mirror the old Bloodlines.
Nighthaunt need a lot, perhaps collapsing in the Malignant keyword strays.

There also need to be some units plugged - the idea of a Master Necromancer is missing (so your general is basically Nagash or a Vampire) for example.


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Voss wrote:

Just to chime in here, that particular version of Krell may not have been 20 years old, but Kemmler and Krell are 30+ years old going back to 2nd or even 1st edition with the La Maisontaal Abbey scenario- Revenge of the Lichemaster, from Citadel Journal, Spring 1986. They predate Gotrek and Felix by a fair bit and Nagash by even longer, as _the_ iconic necromancer and wight lord of the setting.

Yep. It's why squatting them is quite...odd. They are incredibly iconic in their designs and Kemmler is very much the 'Master Necromancer' archetype that current LoN and Death forces are lacking - you've got your reminiscent Tomb King Legions (OBR), your Ghouls (FEC), your Ghosts (Nighthaunt) and LoN sort of covers the Vampire angle in a poor mishmash way but there's no option for Master Necromancer force really.

Here's to hoping whatever is up - if SG is a complete overhaul and rebrand of LoN (maybe LoN comes later as some sort of 'master faction' bonus in a campaign book?) then based off recent work (Lumineth and that Mounted Wight King) I'd hope to see them again...or their archetypes at least redone with nods to the classics....

Gonna say, d/c ing a model/unit’s current form to rerelease them with a new SKU and appropriate packaging is a thing that has happened before, as has removing older models prior to a plastic replacement so it’s only doom & gloom time when whatever book that’s coming drops without them.

3rd Broken Realms trailer came up, Be'Lakor being its name.

And looks like Stormcast will have bad times ahead if I think what the next plot point is going to be.

Well, we knew he was coming from the previous weekend preview.

Might be worth noting that prior to his arrival, the stormcast are fighting Horrors and Bloodletters.



I suspect the silhouette for tomorrows 'new model monday' is undead.

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/28/the-sunday-preview-news-from-the-front/
Curious question- the 'update regarding the next few weeks of new releases'... did anyone get any actual information out of that?
They vaguely mention moving the release date of 'certain products,' and yadda yadda togetherness and shipping in a timely manner, but they don't actually... say anything.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Soulblight is it's own allegiance--not a sub-faction. And it actually has a decent number of plastic options surprisingly enough. That said it is not viewed as a 'real' army because the two-page allegiance abilities just aren't enough to make them viable. Presumably Soulblight Gravelords is an update to this, getting an extra adjectivenoun in the title because armies aren't allowed to have one-word names. Alternatively they are a replacement for LoN as a whole, but personally I think that is less likely.

Either way it is an update to an existing allegiance rather than a totally new one. My bet is it will be Soulblight but with a 1-per-4 rule on deathratte and zombies.

Also worth note is that "soulblight" is not the AoS term for vampire--they are a specific type of vampire. Ghoul kings are another, and we have seen mention of a potential third kind in White Dwarf (which may be tied to some of the new WQ models).

Decent number of plastic kits?
Dragon, thrones, mortarchs, vargheists.
I think that’s it.
3 of those kits are essentially hero’s too.

Voss wrote:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/28/the-sunday-preview-news-from-the-front/
Curious question- the 'update regarding the next few weeks of new releases'... did anyone get any actual information out of that?
They vaguely mention moving the release date of 'certain products,' and yadda yadda togetherness and shipping in a timely manner, but they don't actually... say anything.

Absolutely nothing. Are they moving them forward? Backward? I have no idea. I'm just rather annoyed that there's still no sign of the Seraphon warband for Underworlds and yet they're going on about showing off the Savage Orruks and teasing the OBR....like, at least release the Lizards first guys.

I think what they are trying to say is Broken Realms Teclis is delayed in favour of Broken Realms Belakor, but who can truly say? It feels like a last minute edit to the article to hedge.

I don't think that's what they're saying at all? No way they'd have more widespread global supply of BR: Be'lakor than BR: Teclis.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
I don't think that's what they're saying at all? No way they'd have more widespread global supply of BR: Be'lakor than BR: Teclis.

Yeah, it just sounds like they're moving to consolidate releases.

Voss wrote:

I suspect the silhouette for tomorrows 'new model monday' is undead.

Hmm, big sword, big hair, robes and possibly some kind of furry collar? It would fit with the style of the Underworlds Vampire warband. But that silhouette could also fit with a quite a few AoS factions and even some 40k ones(Sisters of silence HQ?). And that's without "smaller" games like WHQ, Necromunda, Warcry and Underworlds throwing curveballs out there. But yeah its probably(fingers crossed) a vamp.

Either way a full model reveal every week is IMO much better than the rumour engine. Which is usually either so vague or generic the only thing its teasing is "new stuff is coming".

Jackal90 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Soulblight is it's own allegiance--not a sub-faction. And it actually has a decent number of plastic options surprisingly enough. That said it is not viewed as a 'real' army because the two-page allegiance abilities just aren't enough to make them viable. Presumably Soulblight Gravelords is an update to this, getting an extra adjectivenoun in the title because armies aren't allowed to have one-word names. Alternatively they are a replacement for LoN as a whole, but personally I think that is less likely.

Either way it is an update to an existing allegiance rather than a totally new one. My bet is it will be Soulblight but with a 1-per-4 rule on deathratte and zombies.

Also worth note is that "soulblight" is not the AoS term for vampire--they are a specific type of vampire. Ghoul kings are another, and we have seen mention of a potential third kind in White Dwarf (which may be tied to some of the new WQ models).

Decent number of plastic kits?
Dragon, thrones, mortarchs, vargheists.
I think that’s it.
3 of those kits are essentially hero’s too.

Woa there, let's not jump the shark and say a decent number of kits. I said options! That's pretty important; FEC are just 5 kits for all 13 of their units after all.

-Mannfred
-Neffy
-Vhordrai
-VLord on ZDragon
-Coven Throne
-Bloodseeker Palanquin
-Vargheists

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Voss wrote:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/28/the-sunday-preview-news-from-the-front/
Curious question- the 'update regarding the next few weeks of new releases'... did anyone get any actual information out of that?
They vaguely mention moving the release date of 'certain products,' and yadda yadda togetherness and shipping in a timely manner, but they don't actually... say anything.

Absolutely nothing. Are they moving them forward? Backward? I have no idea. I'm just rather annoyed that there's still no sign of the Seraphon warband for Underworlds and yet they're going on about showing off the Savage Orruks and teasing the OBR....like, at least release the Lizards first guys.

Yeah, that was a... weird article.

The video form of the article here is much clearer, thankfully - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdWGcojicPM&feature=emb_title

Voss wrote:
I suspect the silhouette for tomorrows 'new model monday' is undead.

The article says it's a reveal for Necromunda.