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 Nostromodamus wrote:
Two named Vampires that aren’t in the Battletome, obviously they were meant to be Cursed City expansions…

They are in the tome?

Annika’s my favourite Vampire of the all lot. She and the cursed city guy with the shovel are what minis should be, evocative and unique.

 Bosskelot wrote:

 KingGarland wrote:
Quick question about the new battletome. When it is released does that mean that the old Legions of Nagash book will be no longer be legal for use?

Correct, Soulblight Gravelords are the replacement for Legions of Nagash.

Not that much. Legions of Nagash (now ot of print) had pieces for both Soulblight, Nighthaunt and what would be OBR.

Sarouan wrote:

 CMLR wrote:


No, nobody said female vampire sculpts = bad.

Neferata = good.
Lauka Vai = good.
Female Blood Knight (Blood Lady?) = good.
Plate boob armor = dumb.

Ever heard about bikini armor in D&D and videogames? a similar thing here: instead of wearing too little protection, why would they wear "protection" detrimental to them?

Men don't go around with perfectly shaped armor for their crotches in fantasy settings (well, sometimes they do, in parody ones).

Sure, but you know, that's how they are depicted as GW miniatures. Sisters of Battle are the same.

That's what I don't understand ; why the Blood Knights specifically while GW is doing the exact same thing for all female warriors wearing armor. It's not like it's something new - like oversized weapons, bigger hands and more "heroic" proportions.

That's not the thing either.

Like I said: don't do brattle or fully embrace them. If I like boob armour but I don't want a single one in my unit of five, I should have at least another torso. This doesn't happen with SoB for an obvious reason.

This is already an issue with cavalry as a whole, because at least infantry usually can look different enough, but cavalry has difficulties in standing out and not looking samey when you start to collect more.

Sarouan wrote:


Wouldn't be surprised if a new version of him appears in the next Ossiarch Bonereapers battletome coming in AoS 3rd editio, along with the obvious new archer unit.

Don't expect a new BT so soon, they already said that the intention is to have the current ones to work with the new Edition.

 lord marcus wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Two named Vampires that aren’t in the Battletome, obviously they were meant to be Cursed City expansions…

They are in the tome?

Yes, someone else already corrected me.

 CMLR wrote:
If I like boob armour but I don't want a single one in my unit of five, I should have at least another torso.

But... there are two female/boobplate torsos in the Blood Knights kit:



Those are two different torsos.

I am quite surprised with the SC! so early. This can mean that they won't replace them with CPs like they did for 40K. I just wish they added them alongside the new factions, but maybe they did it here because the only new unit is the mounted Wight King

This gives me hopes for SC! Sacrosanct Sigmarines and Nighthaunt.

Maybe someday I will get one for Bonesplitterz, but one can wish...

Jacob29 wrote:
So if you want the new Wight King (who has gak rules)

You have to also take 5 Black Knights, one of the most useless units in the entire game. Amazing.

The 20 Grave Guard is very nice, just wish Wight Kings were extremely neglected in the book, and that Black Knights weren't literally useless.

You can make Black Knights into Hexwraiths instead.


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 Duskweaver wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
If I like boob armour but I don't want a single one in my unit of five, I should have at least another torso.

But... there are two female/boobplate torsos in the Blood Knights kit:

Spoiler:

Those are two different torsos.

Well, I couldn't see it on the website. Now I can see it clearly. This is much better now (I will still find the battle bras dumb, but in the context you get what I mean).

The lance literally covered enough of the website's photo for me to look at the metal cup. I blame GW on this one.

Hobby's saved, now I can return to play with my toy soldiers at peace.

I think the most positive note, which some have pointed out already, is that Start Collecting boxes in AoS are here to stay. I personally prefer SC over the new Combat Patrols mainly due to the price of entry.

So...
that was really fast on Cursed City villains. Not shocked, but I'm downright excited to see what horrifying price point they put on them. As bad as the indomitus sprues, or are they going for full box price?

SC set is... galling. I hate the contents. I hate the fact that they locked up the one really good character model for the entire release inside it. Crappy behavior, GW.

Surprised by everything else coming in a sudden deluge. Good to see some character models free of their bondage, slightly impressed by the SM Combat Patrol, just because some of those are hard to get or absurdly pricey on their own.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.

Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.

Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.

I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.

But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.

Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.

Don't get me wrong, I don't see Cities of Sigmar going away.

I see it becoming more like what we're seeing in Broken Realms. More focused cities with allied contingents able to be taken alongside of the Stormkeeps as well.

Who else wants the return of the old Grand Alliance books?

While I do want the return of exclusive DE, Dorfs, Empire, and so on, I'd like to keep the option of cohesive rules for mixed armies like in early AoS.

Regarding CC baddies, this ain't gonna end well. I wish they could rotate all Warhammer Quests boxes or add them each couple of years in Made to Order or something like that, I don't see the need to make them stay just for a year or two (or a day or two).

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.

Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.

I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.

But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life

Was that the Dark Elvish one? iIrc it wasn't wiped out, they just made genocide on non-elven people and executed elven people that didn't pledged to ÜberMorathi.

I'm honestly on the fence about the GA books.

On the one hand I do appreciate and enjoy the idea of grand armies allied together ignoring racial and faction boundaries standing together. Some, like Chaos Demons were once single armies; others give you neat ways to tell stories and just do fun things with models.


At the same time I think that that system is open to being basically broken in terms of balance based on the way GW balances models. It's just too open to being used as a perfect min-max system.


Personally I'd say there are two ideal ways to bring that back

1) Open Play. Release a general Open Play book that has the option to do GA armies within it. Build it around that concept and that way it doesn't impact the Matched Play system nor does it impact the visual identiy of armies GW sells.

2) AoS Apoc. Basically give AoS some mass battle rules like 40K has, market them as their own thing and build the GA system into that. It acutally plays really well into the fact that most Apoc style games are huge alliances anyway and it lets you play with lots of things all at once; leaving Matched Play (the games standard) alone.



Right now I feel that AoS has allies and mercenaries in a really good position. They are there for most armies as an option and can bring their own thing; but the limits on them prevent them dominating the game both statistically and visually.

I wonder if we're ever going to get an undead Gargant in AoS.

The way that they aren't even using the words Cursed City when talking about the CC enemy models, it really makes me think about the theory floated about CC being a rip-off of someone else's IP/copyright/trademark/product.

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.

Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.

If anything changes CoS will be more Free People oriented while Dispossessed will go into a dwarf tome with Fyreslayers and Kharadron Overlords(something the rumors have talked about recently) and all the old elf stuff will become its own faction or split between the non-light elf factions. Personally not against this as currently the sub-factions don't play nice with each other and several factions can form a tome of their own.

So I don't think CoS will go, but it will become more focused.

 CMLR wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.

But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life

Was that the Dark Elvish one? iIrc it wasn't wiped out, they just made genocide on non-elven people and executed elven people that didn't pledged to ÜberMorathi.

Anvilgard's still there, just renamed to Har Kuron. It was a primarily Elf town to begin with, being a homebase for the Scourge Privateers and Order Serpentis in Aqshy for their beast-taming expeditions.

Worth mentioning that in the same book that Anvilgard was removed, there was a new city added that had similar "hive of scum and villainy" appeal in the form of "Misthavn" in Ulgu which did a far, far better job of the concept of "elf city with others there to serve as monster-chow if necessary" than Anvilgard ever did. I've personally been thinking Anvilgard's "removal" was more to test the waters for subfaction specific Cities, of which it did a stellar job.


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 Eldarsif wrote:

If anything changes CoS will be more Free People oriented while Dispossessed will go into a dwarf tome with Fyreslayers and Kharadron Overlords(something the rumors have talked about recently) and all the old elf stuff will become its own faction or split between the non-light elf factions. Personally not against this as currently the sub-factions don't play nice with each other and several factions can form a tome of their own.

So I don't think CoS will go, but it will become more focused.

Frankly, if anything changes it will be CoS introducing more "faction sponsorship" cities.

We have a Lumineth city, Stormkeeps, and a Daughters of Khaine city.
I would definitely imagine there being a Fyreslayer or Overlords city. Hell, Tempest's Eye fits the bill for the latter really.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I wonder if we're ever going to get an undead Gargant in AoS.

You could ally in a warstomper and convert it to be undead.

EightFoldPath wrote:
The way that they aren't even using the words Cursed City when talking about the CC enemy models, it really makes me think about the theory floated about CC being a rip-off of someone else's IP/copyright/trademark/product.

That... no one can point to, can name, or even has ever heard of.

CC was a mess, but it wasn't because of that. Had there been some actual IP infringement, the game-focused parts of the internet would've been screaming about it. It wouldn't have been able to stay 'under the radar.'

I am amazed at how people still can somehow believe the Copyright theory.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.

Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.

I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.

But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life

I just love this selective perception. Yep, a city was wiped out. Never mind that they included a note the rules for that city are still valid, replaced that city with a new one, added another new one on top of that in the same book, added yet another new free city in BR Teclis, and that two of the box sets have been for CoS.

I want to get some of these models, but I've just never really got into the AOS thing (maybe played 1 game at small points). I used to have Undead and High Elves for WHFB and the current Soul Blight (minus monster lady) and Lumineth (minus ridiculous Teclis) are ticking all the boxes. (I do have soem Gloomspite, which are basically just the old school gobbos for me)
For someone in my position, having Cursed City and the Direchasm Vampires, that start collecting looks like a real winner. Throw in some Vampire Knights, wolves and a few bats....and away we go.
Now, maybe I'll give new AOS a try, but otherwise I'll just grab a different set of fantasy rules.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.

Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.

I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.

But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life

I just love this selective perception. Yep, a city was wiped out. Never mind that they included a note the rules for that city are still valid, replaced that city with a new one, added another new one on top of that in the same book, added yet another new free city in BR Teclis, and that two of the box sets have been for CoS.

Yep, overall Cities of Sigmar is in a better place at the moment.

source: I play Cities

I imagine CoS will end up in a similar situation to Legions of Nagash. Nothing will be directly squated, but the various sub-factions will be torn off into various other battletomes as the Nighthaunt and what would later become the Ossiarch stuff was going into Gravelords. The white knights will shriek nothing was technically squated and you should thank GW for not taking it out back to be shot with the Bretonnians.

Grungi will do his thing and they'll write a line about almost all Dispossessed migrating to Battletome: Khazalid Holdthanes or whatever, the Wanderers getting merged back in with the Sylvaneth, etc. Phoenix Temple will probably just be outright squated though.

Meanwhile most of the Freeguild/College/Ironweld will become Battletome: Freeguild Regimentiums or whatever noun-noun name they come up with.

 bullyboy wrote:
I want to get some of these models, but I've just never really got into the AOS thing (maybe played 1 game at small points). I used to have Undead and High Elves for WHFB and the current Soul Blight (minus monster lady) and Lumineth (minus ridiculous Teclis) are ticking all the boxes. (I do have soem Gloomspite, which are basically just the old school gobbos for me)
For someone in my position, having Cursed City and the Direchasm Vampires, that start collecting looks like a real winner. Throw in some Vampire Knights, wolves and a few bats....and away we go.
Now, maybe I'll give new AOS a try, but otherwise I'll just grab a different set of fantasy rules.

AoS. 2.0 is a fantastic set of rules and if 3rd doesn't make too many major changes it should be more refined.

 Arbitrator wrote:
I imagine CoS will end up in a similar situation to Legions of Nagash. Nothing will be directly squated, but the various sub-factions will be torn off into various other battletomes as the Nighthaunt and what would later become the Ossiarch stuff was going into Gravelords. The white knights will shriek nothing was technically squated and you should thank GW for not taking it out back to be shot with the Bretonnians.

The weren't shy about squatting a pile of models from the range this time around, right as the Battletome came out.
While I'd like to see what they have in mind for 'normal humans (elves/dwarves)' in AoS, the uncertainty is stretching on a bit. 3 editions on, average joe shouldn't be this nebulous a concept.

 Arbitrator wrote:
I imagine CoS will end up in a similar situation to Legions of Nagash. Nothing will be directly squated, but the various sub-factions will be torn off into various other battletomes as the Nighthaunt and what would later become the Ossiarch stuff was going into Gravelords. The white knights will shriek nothing was technically squated and you should thank GW for not taking it out back to be shot with the Bretonnians.

Grungi will do his thing and they'll write a line about almost all Dispossessed migrating to Battletome: Khazalid Holdthanes or whatever, the Wanderers getting merged back in with the Sylvaneth, etc. Phoenix Temple will probably just be outright squated though.

Meanwhile most of the Freeguild/College/Ironweld will become Battletome: Freeguild Regimentiums or whatever noun-noun name they come up with.

I don't think so, CoS has proven to be extremely popular. I think if anything, they'll expand out on it like they are doing with the Witch Hunters.

 Arbitrator wrote:
I imagine CoS will end up in a similar situation to Legions of Nagash. Nothing will be directly squated, but the various sub-factions will be torn off into various other battletomes as the Nighthaunt and what would later become the Ossiarch stuff was going into Gravelords. The white knights will shriek nothing was technically squated and you should thank GW for not taking it out back to be shot with the Bretonnians.

Grungi will do his thing and they'll write a line about almost all Dispossessed migrating to Battletome: Khazalid Holdthanes or whatever, the Wanderers getting merged back in with the Sylvaneth, etc. Phoenix Temple will probably just be outright squated though.

Meanwhile most of the Freeguild/College/Ironweld will become Battletome: Freeguild Regimentiums or whatever noun-noun name they come up with.

It's surprising how often this crops up. Cities of Sigmar has been a massively popular book. The only old art they used in the third edition intro was the cities of Sigmar cover art. Ben Johnson explicitly mentioned Aelves, Duardin and men marching out from the cities on campaign each day.

I think Cities of Sigmar will get a substantial and positive update this edition.

I like how it is considered white knighting to suggest that an army going from one battletome of content to multiple battletomes of content is a good thing.

Quite liking this release, feels more like a classic WHFB release. Vampire Counts are back.

New zombies, skellies, dire wolves, fell bats, prices aren't as gougy as usual, Start Collecting box is solid and has some of the better older sculpts in it along with a nice newer mini.

Mostly interested in the bats and wolves, everything else I already got from Mantic.