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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

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 ScarletRose wrote:
I didn't expect the winged stormcast leader to be part of the box.

I'm definitely picking one up, when are the preorders supposed to be?

Some point in June, probably with a two week pre-order lead in like Indomitus had.

Have fun with the scalper bots.

Went by the Warhammer store today. Was told to expect preorder in mid june with a two week set. Then release at the end of the month. Customers being limited to one copy per visit (no, you can't go to your car and then walk back and count that as a second visit.). GW has also instituted some new online stuff to shut down scalpers, as it was explained to me if you add the set to your cart on preorder day, you must fully complete checkout before it will unlock your IP address for another order. In addition I was told they looked at pre order hype and ordered like 7 times what they expect to be the sales for the first week.

As for the models, I'm in love with them. These Kruel boyz are flipping amazing. They genuinely look terrifying, not silly like the IronJawz and Savage Orcs. I almost want to ditch my Orruck Warclans in favor of just these boyz. The Stormcast are way better than I expected, enough so that I'm finally gonna get that stormcast army I have always wanted. The new Troggoth and the Hobgoblins have to be my favorites so far.

Really good to hear about those anti-scalper measures. As for ditching warclans in favor, I have some good news for you; the Great Waaagh! allegiance goes off the ORRUK keyword so you can mix these guys in as soon as you have the warscrolls.

Hobs are definitely my favorite as well, I want an army of THEM!

Yep! In general I'm extremely pleased with what I saw today and it makes my purchase of Kragnos feel even better!

I’m definitely feeling a bit mixed about the Kruleboyz. I like the unit with shields a lot but I’m not feeling the hobgrots at all. I just don’t like the heads or the helmets.
The Stormcast are fantastic. With each successive wave of minis they have got better. I really hope the rumours of Stormcast cavalry on sleek dragons are true.

What do people expect the price to be? I really like those orcs, so I better start saving now.

I know im repeating myself, but im really disappointed that they took the marine approach with AOS by always including sce in the starter set. Would have been much more exciting to see a brand new race/army

 streetsamurai wrote:
I know im repeating myself, but im really disappointed that they took the marine approach with AOS by always including sce in the starter set. Would have been much more exciting to see a brand new race/army

If they were the origional style of stormcasts I'd feel the same way, but given the new look I don't mind it do much.

Now in a few years when they do 4th edition and fully commit alternate activation (which they seem to be dipping their toes into, perhaps using this edition as an experiment to see how people like/ease the community into it) I'd hope for a different army to take center stage.

I unfortunately think it won't be the case, since new sce are probably really low effort to make

 streetsamurai wrote:
I unfortunately think it won't be the case, since new sce are probably really low effort to make

Unless I'm mistaken, the sculpting team is salary; they are going to get paid the same if they sculpt one model or one hundred. (Well, assuming they justify only sculpting one!) The biggest question is if GW sees there being enough profit in pushing different starter armies.

For 40k its already too late- they pushed marines for so hard, so long they are over half the game. Thge market is so full of marine players that they would be crazy not to put marines in the starter as it's a close to guaranteed sale as they are likely to come.

For AoS it's different. it's clear that they WANT stormcasts to be the equivalent of spacemarines (or at least someone still does) but I don't think it worked out as well as they would like. I think the re-design is both an attempt to get them away from being too overtly space marine influenced design wise and make them a bit more unique and interesting, which would make them more appealing to people who didn't like that element of them (like myself!) as well as using the redisgn to try a second attempt at getting them to marine level popularity.

I think it might work, but it makes a me a little sad- because I fear (maybe irrationally) that the more successful stormcasts are the less a chance that we'll see other types of order humans. But then maybe that's what "the old world" will be for.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I know im repeating myself, but im really disappointed that they took the marine approach with AOS by always including sce in the starter set. Would have been much more exciting to see a brand new race/army

All three starters have had a brand new army has the opposition, and with Stormcast they have done a good job keeping the new models distinct and different from the old; the Extremis, Vanguard, and Sacrosanct all play very differently to the core warrior chambers. We'll see if that continues here.

Carlovonsexron wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I unfortunately think it won't be the case, since new sce are probably really low effort to make

Unless I'm mistaken, the sculpting team is salary; they are going to get paid the same if they sculpt one model or one hundred. (Well, assuming they justify only sculpting one!) The biggest question is if GW sees there being enough profit in pushing different starter armies.

For 40k its already too late- they pushed marines for so hard, so long they are over half the game. Thge market is so full of marine players that they would be crazy not to put marines in the starter as it's a close to guaranteed sale as they are likely to come.

For AoS it's different. it's clear that they WANT stormcasts to be the equivalent of spacemarines (or at least someone still does) but I don't think it worked out as well as they would like. I think the re-design is both an attempt to get them away from being too overtly space marine influenced design wise and make them a bit more unique and interesting, which would make them more appealing to people who didn't like that element of them (like myself!) as well as using the redisgn to try a second attempt at getting them to marine level popularity.

I think it might work, but it makes a me a little sad- because I fear (maybe irrationally) that the more successful stormcasts are the less a chance that we'll see other types of order humans. But then maybe that's what "the old world" will be for.

Yeah, but they can reuse a lot of the digital assets they already have to sculpt new sce, while starting a new army from scratch would take a lot more time

 Gallahad wrote:
What do people expect the price to be? I really like those orcs, so I better start saving now.

I would guess 250$ USD

We'll see if the anti-scalper measures actually help. I'm not planning on getting it, but for once I'd love to skip the whole 'omg GW is awful I didn't get the box I wasn't planning on buying!' phase of the regular complaint cycle.

streetsamurai wrote:

Yeah, but they can reuse a lot of the digital assets they already have to sculpt new sce, while starting a new army from scratch would take a lot more time

Thta's true, but if you're a company and you have to pay the sculptors anyway you might as well make it worth the money. And if one of those ideas ends up being more profitable you can bet they will pursue it.

Right now is still a key moment in the development of AoS. It's still a young game in the grand scheme of things, and while GW is obviously trying to push stormcasts it's still possible another faction could well overtake them in popularity. (As i suspect new human order factions might, if they were to ever be released.)

drbored wrote:
We'll see if the anti-scalper measures actually help. I'm not planning on getting it, but for once I'd love to skip the whole 'omg GW is awful I didn't get the box I wasn't planning on buying!' phase of the regular complaint cycle.

Sometimes ya just gotta accept that haters gunna hate.

Only in the bizarro-world of GW fandom could customers being upset they're unable to buy product due to mismanagement and scalper-baiting policies be characterised as "hating"


Anyway - kudos to GW, they might finally have done it. I look at this box and I like almost all of the models - I can take or leave the SCE characters - enough on their own merits(ie not for use with whatever WHFB army concept they're riffing on or as fodder for conversions for 40K), and those models exist far enough outside the design space of existing IPs, that I'm actually contemplating picking it up and keeping them as what they are. I don't even care that much that the baddies weren't, as some hoped, Fimir. They may well never see a tabletop because I still can't muster any enthusiasm for the setting itself, but technically speaking I will have "collected an AoS army" so GW wins again.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Only in the bizarro-world of GW fandom could customers being upset they're unable to buy product due to mismanagement and scalper-baiting policies be characterised as "hating"

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Most of those complaints were justified. I think it was more a snipe at the fake complainers. The people who will loudly proclaim, at every opportunity, that they hate GW and haven’t bought a GW product for years, as if that makes them superior beings. The ones who call GW idiots for not buying the “much better” minis from every other company (90% of which are just inferior copies of GW minis). Many of those same people will then complain vociferously that something has sold out quickly. It’s just another angle of attack in their bizarre, dysfunctional relationship with a toy company (of all things). Like that guy who complains out his ex, that he split with 5 years ago, every time he gets drunk.

However, I’ll be first in line to complain if I don’t manage to get one because I’m actually intending to buy it. I’ll moan about it to anyone who’ll listen (and a few of those who don’t want to) for a couple of weeks.

Then, I’ll get over it, because I’ll realise it’s just toy soldiers and I probably already own enough to keep me painting for several years.

I'm in weird spot. Would want sce half but nobody seems to be keen to get orcs from my side. Not gambler in character so if nobody shows interest in advance will skip and just look for cheapest book to get what needed for rules. Hoping similar to 40k field manual with scenarios and all the rules barring crusade.

I really like the Orcs.

I dont mind the goofy cartoon greenskins GW usually use as comic relief, but I must say this is a great addition to the greenskin range.
They really look the part of a more sneaky kind skulking in the swamps.
The weird proportions is leaning towards the stone troggoths now, I think.

Also, between the new 40k Orks riding giant cyber squiggs and this more realistic approach, I must say i prefer these cruel boys.

Really feels like the Kruelbozy were assigned to the sculpting A team and the Beast Snaggas to the C team.

Just having a rewatch of the boxset video it looks like there might be new terrain there - if it's not just something they 3D printed for the pictures. Might be for the Command edition equivalent.

There's a partially ruined building under reconstruction, a statue with a lion shield and domed towers that have a mixed SCE and KO look.

 DaveC wrote:
Just having a rewatch of the boxset video it looks like there might be new terrain there - if it's not just something they 3D printed for the pictures. Might be for the Command edition equivalent.

There's a partially ruined building under reconstruction, a statue with a lion shield and domed towers that have a mixed SCE and KO look.

Some of that is plastic for sure.

I'd wager the release will mimic 40k 9th, so yeah, Command Edition set, a box of terrain and another board, etc.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Only in the bizarro-world of GW fandom could customers being upset they're unable to buy product due to mismanagement and scalper-baiting policies be characterised as "hating"

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Most of those complaints were justified. I think it was more a snipe at the fake complainers. The people who will loudly proclaim, at every opportunity, that they hate GW and haven’t bought a GW product for years, as if that makes them superior beings. The ones who call GW idiots for not buying the “much better” minis from every other company (90% of which are just inferior copies of GW minis). Many of those same people will then complain vociferously that something has sold out quickly. It’s just another angle of attack in their bizarre, dysfunctional relationship with a toy company (of all things). Like that guy who complains out his ex, that he split with 5 years ago, every time he gets drunk.

Yeah, it‘s quite strange, isn‘t it?

It‘s annoying when you can‘t get what you want at the push of a button, but GW certainly has no obligation to stop people from selling their purchases onwards at a premium (ie scalping). If they enact measures, that‘s clearly an attempt to improve relations with the fans (and to broaden their appeal, building a base of returning customers). Not everything works and not everything is well-executed, but hey, they are trying.

The main complaint from the haters though, apart from pricing, seems to root in GW not producing their toys fast enough to meet demand. Funny that.

I‘m buggered that at the moment I can‘t get the new Underworlds warband immediately at my independent store, because apparent supply issues at GW/Brexit. But I will wait for that sweet discount and for supporting a 3rd party retailer.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Really feels like the Kruelbozy were assigned to the sculpting A team and the Beast Snaggas to the C team.

Not quite more like LOTR team. It really does nothing for me in WFB.

I think I will cherry pick the hobgoblins in this set and ignore the rest of the orcs and wait for the other smaller starters to see the stormcast selection on those. I wonder how much the order half will go for on eBay.

The mask on that Stormcast wizard is very cool, but it doesn't really fit the Stormcast aesthetic.

I'm very meh on the whole faction, although these do appear to be the best rendition so far. The halberdiers really benefit from having somewhat conventional looking weapons, a lot of the more 'unique' Stormcast weaponry has looked terrible.

Gryphs are one of the few things I like about them, so cool to see more of them. The bigger ones with the chariot are *chef's kiss*.

Orks are also very meh. Not sure the setting needed slightly different ones and there are surely other, more interesting avenues that could've been pursued instead. Different paint jobs might shift the needle a bit, I definitely don't like the skin tone they've gone with.

TheGoodGerman wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Only in the bizarro-world of GW fandom could customers being upset they're unable to buy product due to mismanagement and scalper-baiting policies be characterised as "hating"

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Most of those complaints were justified. I think it was more a snipe at the fake complainers. The people who will loudly proclaim, at every opportunity, that they hate GW and haven’t bought a GW product for years, as if that makes them superior beings. The ones who call GW idiots for not buying the “much better” minis from every other company (90% of which are just inferior copies of GW minis). Many of those same people will then complain vociferously that something has sold out quickly. It’s just another angle of attack in their bizarre, dysfunctional relationship with a toy company (of all things). Like that guy who complains out his ex, that he split with 5 years ago, every time he gets drunk.

Yeah, it‘s quite strange, isn‘t it?

It‘s annoying when you can‘t get what you want at the push of a button, but GW certainly has no obligation to stop people from selling their purchases onwards at a premium (ie scalping). If they enact measures, that‘s clearly an attempt to improve relations with the fans (and to broaden their appeal, building a base of returning customers). Not everything works and not everything is well-executed, but hey, they are trying.

The main complaint from the haters though, apart from pricing, seems to root in GW not producing their toys fast enough to meet demand. Funny that.

I‘m buggered that at the moment I can‘t get the new Underworlds warband immediately at my independent store, because apparent supply issues at GW/Brexit. But I will wait for that sweet discount and for supporting a 3rd party retailer.

Ok right! I see no hater here hating this box so far but I see some of you guys bitching about people... So I yeah keep trolling thats a positive thing for sure. Or maybe just maybe stop poking the bear and concentrate on this nice shiny box.

Well atleast Kruelboyz get hefty release like the Nighthaunts got.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get some Hobgrot related kits so you could run them as unified force if you want to.

Really not overly keen on the Kruelboyz.
The models look decent, but some appear to be about 10 sizes too big for their legs.
They also feel very much LoTR instead of AoS.


Ironically (and I can't believe I'm saying this) I really like the new look for stormcasts.
The sleeker armour design is a big win for me.

Not going to buy the box though as I don't plan on a new army.
Neither really give me that spark to want to go out and buy them sadly.

Sotahullu wrote:
Well atleast Kruelboyz get hefty release like the Nighthaunts got.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get some Hobgrot related kits so you could run them as unified force if you want to.

That would be the perfect box set man!
I noticed theres actually 2 units of 10 there ( not just one like I thought) and they have different heads and seems like different standard bearers too. 20 hobgobs is a very nice start and I really hope they flesh out champs and characters and maybe a shooty unit to go with some CD's.

Quite exited with that idea.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
To be fair, i largely missed the stream, as my friend and her kids were over and they got tore into my Transformers (with permission of course!)

I’ve of course seen the models, but didn’t get the chance to hear the chit chat.

Don’t get me wrong. I definitely do not hate the models. And there’s precisely sod all wrong with them. They’re just leaving me a bit cold is all. I can’t really put my finger on why.

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Perhaps its because these are the first "serious" greenskins in well over a decade? 40K Orks were always more of a hooligan than a serious force, with a touch of comic relief thrown in (in a dark bloody brutal sort of way of course). Old World orks were often more "serious" but they still had machines that threw gobbos with wings strapped to them; that and their Old World lore was a bit less developed as they were an evil force so got a bit less attention than the good guys - who were often just beating them up.

AoS very heavily followed the 40K model for the Orruk, making them into a big hulking hooligan army again. Not so much evil as just sporting for a darn good fight. Gloospite Gitz meanwhile are psychopath druggies high on shrooms and half insane and wanting to spread the gloom of their world all over the realms whilst also just wanting to stab people cause it makes them giggle.



These new greenskins aren't any of that. They've got armour; they've got ranged weapons; they've got that smart look to their faces that says that they aren't here for fun. These are perhaps not hooligans sporting for a fight nor insane or here for some fun. These are "Lord of the Rings" and pure "Old World" style ORKS. These are the nightmare that comes with organised plans and, whilst they might be in Destruction, I've a feeling that we'll see them as the most generally militant and organised and perhaps will construct cities of their own 0 in an orky way.


Granted this serious angle is somewhat diluted by their heavy use of squig parts

drbored wrote:
We'll see if the anti-scalper measures actually help. I'm not planning on getting it, but for once I'd love to skip the whole 'omg GW is awful I didn't get the box I wasn't planning on buying!' phase of the regular complaint cycle.

Get a VPN, tie a bot to it, scalp away. Companies like Nike, adidas etc. have been dealing with scalpers for years and they always get through. The professional scalpers i mean, not some rando that ordered 10 boxes by hand.

Cronch wrote:

drbored wrote:
We'll see if the anti-scalper measures actually help. I'm not planning on getting it, but for once I'd love to skip the whole 'omg GW is awful I didn't get the box I wasn't planning on buying!' phase of the regular complaint cycle.

Get a VPN, tie a bot to it, scalp away. Companies like Nike, adidas etc. have been dealing with scalpers for years and they always get through. The professional scalpers i mean, not some rando that ordered 10 boxes by hand.

Sadly this is true. The only way to stop scalpers, is to not make anything in limited numbers. Personally I wish GW would move more to a made to order model for all of their limited stuff. A time limited window for orders, rather than a limited production run.