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DA have had one of the most consistently great model reveals so far for their 30k lineup, makes me wonder what the Lion himself will look like given the roll they're on right now.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I love these. I genuinely think they’re among the best Space Marine models ever sculpted.

Agreed. I'm definitely biased but these seem like the best they've done, at least on a unit level.

They strike an amazing balance of flavor and detail without being as busy as the Inner Circle Termies.

beast_gts wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Does this constitute a retcon to the Deathwing's backstory? Namely about why and when they adopted the bone colored armor. I thought it was done post-heresy to honor the noble sacrifice of some terminators... uh, somewhere. The details escape me now.

I think so - Deathwing were exclusively Terminators, and only bone coloured after a confrontation with a Broodlord on a recruiting world (originally a lone Librarian, later a squad). But that might be covered in the new fluff - "Each has taken an oath to lay down their lives before letting harm come to the one they are tasked to protect. Any among the Companions that took a death-blow meant for their charge and survived would be granted the right to wear bone-white armour in recognition of their selfless devotion."

Its more a retcon of a retcon, the Terminators were old school native american themed dark angels which have been abandoned for a long long time, the tale of two heads talking has them go to their homeworld and find a genestealer cult, two heads talking dies fighting a genestealer patriarch (now called broodlords), in honour of his death the deathwing repaint their armour white (bone now).

So the story is

the Dark angels return home after a long campaign

they find their own people have turned against them

they destroy the enemy

they lose their leader in the process

the plot points are the same as

The Dark Angels return home after the heresy

find their people have turned against them

they destroy them

they lose the lion in the process.

So its an in universe allegory for the betrayal and is likely the first story on the path to the inner circle with other stories revealing more and more of the truth.

and when they reach the inner circle they're told they really found a shipment of brand new terminator armour actually intended for the white scars, but kept it rather than passing it on,

and that's why it's white

Nice new models - but I find the colour combo is a bit too much for me.

 Formosa wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Does this constitute a retcon to the Deathwing's backstory? Namely about why and when they adopted the bone colored armor. I thought it was done post-heresy to honor the noble sacrifice of some terminators... uh, somewhere. The details escape me now.

I think so - Deathwing were exclusively Terminators, and only bone coloured after a confrontation with a Broodlord on a recruiting world (originally a lone Librarian, later a squad). But that might be covered in the new fluff - "Each has taken an oath to lay down their lives before letting harm come to the one they are tasked to protect. Any among the Companions that took a death-blow meant for their charge and survived would be granted the right to wear bone-white armour in recognition of their selfless devotion."

Its more a retcon of a retcon, the Terminators were old school native american themed dark angels which have been abandoned for a long long time, the tale of two heads talking has them go to their homeworld and find a genestealer cult, two heads talking dies fighting a genestealer patriarch (now called broodlords), in honour of his death the deathwing repaint their armour white (bone now).

So the story is

the Dark angels return home after a long campaign

they find their own people have turned against them

they destroy the enemy

they lose their leader in the process

the plot points are the same as

The Dark Angels return home after the heresy

find their people have turned against them

they destroy them

they lose the lion in the process.

So its an in universe allegory for the betrayal and is likely the first story on the path to the inner circle with other stories revealing more and more of the truth.

The Dark Angels spend so much time revealing the REAL STORY of things that by the time you reach the Deathwing the conversation goes like: "Now you've reached the Deathwing, we can reveal the truth of the XXX to you."

"Oh not again. Now what!? Is Caliban still around somewhere!? Is the Lion still around!? AM I THE LION!?"

Hahaha that is so true PM, I've thought that a couple of times, poor Azrael had to go through literally everything only to have cypher reveal the super dupa mega ultra truth for reals this time

Fantastic looking models. FW continues to hit it out of the park with the First Legion. The Dark Angels will be one of the most striking armies on the tabletop in 30k.

As for the Deathwing, I don’t see it as a retcon. The Deathwing of 30k were much different than 40k. Did the Deathwing keep the bone white pieces of armor after the Heresy? Was that exclusive to the Conpanions and stopped? Did the DA slowly forget about that tradition? Did the Deathwing Terminators paint their armor all bone white in remembrance in honor of their leader and in keeping with the old traditions? It was several thousand years after the Heresy at that point and the DA are all about secrets so who knows what was forgotten or changed by then.

The two bits of fluff can both exist.

More Dark Angels? The Road to Thramas is looking pretty fething one sided so far. Nice models though.

I think my only sticking point is the heads, otherwise really nice.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
Nice new models - but I find the colour combo is a bit too much for me.

Agreed, it's just got too much going on.

Gadzilla666 wrote:
More Dark Angels? The Road to Thramas is looking pretty fething one sided so far. Nice models though.

This is the Dark Angels first proper showing in the Heresy. The Night Lords will have less stuff than them, seeing as they already have a handful of units and characters.

Lol pretty accurate observation from the outer circle:

To go with the shield on your knee pad...

 Crablezworth wrote:
Lol pretty accurate observation from the outer circle:

While I have a passion of hating DA, their heresy line is some of the best marine sculpts there are IMO.
Everything about them just fits and looks great.

I'm warboss and I approve of this meme. Just don't mess with the ear wings or I'll cut you!

timd wrote:
To go with the shield on your knee pad...

very true, missed that.

Probably alone here but I am so so sick of reused CAD in the newer heresy models, these companions totally miss the mark for me being MKIV armour rather than MKII, they look like 40k Dark Angels not 30k ones, too much bling, if terranic greatswords do not change its another unit that hard counters deamons of the ruinstorm a force that is in desperate need of a buff to even be able to play.

Long time ago since I made a FW order ... still missing Raldoron of the BA ... hopefully after Deathwing Companions a DA character series model comes out as well ... then I have a huge cart to checkout

Yeah, no Dark Angels for me. Not until they release Luther and Zahariel.

 CragHack wrote:
Yeah, no Dark Angels for me. Not until they release Luther and Zahariel.

You'll have to wait about 11,000 years for the former to happen.

Well the latter may already be a plastic model in the form of Cypher? Who knows. And don’t joke about the former as what with primarchs and stuff in 40k it may one day happen!

New for today:

Oooh. I quite like that. It'd be nice to have one... AUD$219.

What the... ?

Updated rules. Not sure why you'd choose the Carcass shells over the Explosive shells - against Mechnicum Battle-automata perhaps?

beast_gts wrote:
Updated rules. Not sure why you'd choose the Carcass shells over the Explosive shells - against Mechnicum Battle-automata perhaps?

Daemons, Militia and Solar Auxilia I'd reckon. Ignore's Cover, AP4 and Fleshbane seem perfect for that

 zedmeister wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Updated rules. Not sure why you'd choose the Carcass shells over the Explosive shells - against Mechnicum Battle-automata perhaps?

Daemons, Militia and Solar Auxilia I'd reckon. Ignore's Cover, AP4 and Fleshbane seem perfect for that

Yeah, but what in that list isn’t wounded in a 2+ by S10 anyway? Or at least I believe that’s the point being made.
So realistically the only benefit is ignoring cover, which is kinda marginal (or irrelevant on some tables). At least it’s a built-in function rather than a thing you have to pay for.

Is the Arquitor 2020's Contemptor for FW?

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Updated rules. Not sure why you'd choose the Carcass shells over the Explosive shells - against Mechnicum Battle-automata perhaps?

Daemons, Militia and Solar Auxilia I'd reckon. Ignore's Cover, AP4 and Fleshbane seem perfect for that

Yeah, but what in that list isn’t wounded in a 2+ by S10 anyway? Or at least I believe that’s the point being made.
So realistically the only benefit is ignoring cover, which is kinda marginal (or irrelevant on some tables). At least it’s a built-in function rather than a thing you have to pay for.

Yep - not sure why you'd take a Morbus over a cheaper Vindicator.

beast_gts wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Updated rules. Not sure why you'd choose the Carcass shells over the Explosive shells - against Mechnicum Battle-automata perhaps?

Daemons, Militia and Solar Auxilia I'd reckon. Ignore's Cover, AP4 and Fleshbane seem perfect for that

Yeah, but what in that list isn’t wounded in a 2+ by S10 anyway? Or at least I believe that’s the point being made.
So realistically the only benefit is ignoring cover, which is kinda marginal (or irrelevant on some tables). At least it’s a built-in function rather than a thing you have to pay for.

Yep - not sure why you'd take a Morbus over a cheaper Vindicator.

Very much this.
Looks better, but rules wise I’d rather stick with my pair of vindicators for value.

Medusa seems better in a lot of ways but it's ok. They still haven't fixed the spicula's los problem.