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**Alpharius**

Have you brought to this to FW's attention?

I've love to think they're hanging out here with us but...I don't think they are.

**Crablezworth**

Alpharius wrote:
Have you brought to this to FW's attention?

I've love to think they're hanging out here with us but...I don't think they are.

Yup, the frustration is, this is the third iteration of that pdf, been communicating the problem since the first. All they did was add the words line of sight, which doesn't address the mounting and arc of fire. It's extra weird because the other two weapon options are barrage for obvious reasons.

**H.B.M.C.**

It does seem really odd that there would be a weapon on that carrier that isn't indirect fire, especially when it's modelled in a similar fashion to another indirect launcher.

**Crablezworth**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It does seem really odd that there would be a weapon on that carrier that isn't indirect fire, especially when it's modelled in a similar fashion to another indirect launcher.

Exactly, it almost looks like they started with that one in cad and modified it, but ya they're almost identical.

**zedmeister**

Road to Thramas Pt5 is up:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/06/the-road-to-thramas-part-5-the-lionfw-homepage-post-2/

pretty much the lion that we've seen. Lion is a bit of a beast:

The Road to Thramas – Part 5: The Lion

We’re sure you saw the reveal of the incredible Lion El’Jonson model at the Warhammer Preview Online on the 28th of March. If not, just take a look. We’ll give you a minute.

What a model, eh? Now you’re wondering about his rules, which will be in The Horus Heresy: Book 9 – Crusade. What does the Lion Sword do? Should you choose the Wolf Blade instead? How will the Lion’s fearsome combat prowess be given life? Most importantly of all, how does he match up against his nemesis, Konrad Curze? Fear not, sons of Caliban, the answers are here.

The Lion’s profile is broadly in line with his brother Primarchs.

His Weapon Skill and Initiative stand out, as befits a renowned duellist, and they’re backed up by a pair of rather nifty Special Rules that bolster his abilities considerably.

A potential seven Attacks that’ll never need more than a 4+ to hit sounds great – but which weapon do you want him to be hitting with? He has a choice of two, and it’s not an easy decision as they’re both pretty awesome.

The Lion Sword turns Jonson into an absolute monster whether he’s duelling enemy heroes or carving through vehicles. The Fleshbane and Lance rules, coupled with AP1 and a re-roll to hit (always on at least a 4+, remember!) with Master-crafted mean there’s little that won’t fall before him.

The Wolf Blade relies more on raw, brute power, making the Lion Strength 10. Coupled with Shred, which lets him re-roll failed wound rolls, this makes it a tempting choice. Add in the Fearsome Ruin rule and the Wolf Blade is the perfect choice for scything through entire squads of infantry – and with AP2, even Terminators won’t be safe from the Lion’s wrath.

The rest of the Lion’s equipment bolsters his prowess. The Leonine Panoply gives him a 2+ save and a 4+ invulnerable save, which can be re-rolled once per turn. For shooting, the Fusil Actinaeus is an archaic plasma weapon that can render enemies blind – if they survive its blistering salvo.

Lion El’Jonson also has the usual Primarch rules and can be accompanied by a squad of Deathwing Companions as part of his Lords of War choice, making a unit to fear and respect.

But will the Night Haunter be intimidated?

That’s something you’ll have to find out for yourself when the Lion hits tabletops – we’re sure there’ll be many recreations of the infamous duel from Aaron Dembski-Bowden’s short story ‘Savage Weapons’. Keep your eyes peeled for more about when you can get the model and for more sneak peeks at Crusade, coming your way soon. In the meantime, head to the Forge World Facebook page and get theoryhammering about how the Lion will fare against his traitorous brothers!

**GaroRobe**

Still nice to have an "official" image of him without a helmet. We've only had screencaps of the video until now

**Dryaktylus**

That Night Lord has the potential of being the equivalent of the fleeing peasant (or Johann... yes, I kind of enjoy the Roll Models stuff) for large 30k models.

**GaroRobe**

Dryaktylus wrote:
That Night Lord has the potential of being the equivalent of the fleeing peasant (or Johann... yes, I kind of enjoy the Roll Models stuff) for large 30k models.

Oooh, that's who he's supposed to be. Now it makes sense.

I'm still waiting to see Volkite NL's face. The question will be whether it's a regular MK IV helm, or a special skull one. Especially since GW claims "You can paint the dead marines in whatever colorscheme you want"

**Grot 6**

The Primarchs are pretty impressive. Is there going to be a model of 30K Deathwing terminators, as well?

**ImAGeek**

Grot 6 wrote:
The Primarchs are pretty impressive. Is there going to be a model of 30K Deathwing terminators, as well?

Probably not. We have three unique units already, which is about the average (there may be one or two more in the book) and one of them is Deathwing already, and there's 6 wings. I don't see them doubling up.

**Thanatos73**

The Cenobium Terminators are pretty much 30k Deathwing Terminators in all but name. And I’m sure you’ll be able to take them in a Deathwing list.

As for Lion El’Johnson, he is damn impressive so far. The Lion Sword and Wolf Blade are pretty similar though, with the Wolf Blade edging out the Lion Sword a bit from what I can tell. Both are really good though.

**tneva82**

point cost for the two weapons would be nice to know. Wolf blade is likely more pricey option.

**Grimskul**

tneva82 wrote:
point cost for the two weapons would be nice to know. Wolf blade is likely more pricey option.

Yeah, that's what I would assume too. Wolf blade is definitely better overall, just because S10 means you're wounding on 2's for most things anyways (with instant death no less for majority of infantry units), rerolling failed wounds and against vehicles it's better than S7 with lance. The Lion Sword is only good when you manage to roll damage table results with AP1 and being slightly more consistent with hits.

**Marshal Loss**

I'm expecting the two weapons to be priced the same, as with Fulgrim & Sanguinius.

**tneva82**

Hopefully not. That would be GW main studio level of stupidity to have better weapon and worse weapon same price.

**Jackal90**

Odd, a primarch that doesn’t eat armour.
Having the lance rule is nice but he lacks the strength to do much with it.
As long as he avoids certain things he’s fine.

Would be amusing to watch him get charged by cassian and be helpless.

**pm713**

tneva82 wrote:
Hopefully not. That would be GW main studio level of stupidity to have better weapon and worse weapon same price.

They've done it before with more obvious cases than the Lions swords.

**Jackal90**

pm713 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Hopefully not. That would be GW main studio level of stupidity to have better weapon and worse weapon same price.

They've done it before with more obvious cases than the Lions swords.

They have also had differing points for ferrus depending on his weapon.

**Arbitrator**

That Night Lord/Solar Auxilia art looks... bad? And I can't quite put my finger on why.

**Marshal Loss**

Jackal90 wrote:
pm713 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Hopefully not. That would be GW main studio level of stupidity to have better weapon and worse weapon same price.

They've done it before with more obvious cases than the Lions swords.

They have also had differing points for ferrus depending on his weapon.

Ferrus & Perturabo are different because one profile has them without a weapon, using their fists, and the other has them one with one. Not at all the same as having two choices as in this case

**zedmeister**

Looks like Book 9 may be close to launch. This suspected shipping manifest that's been bouncing around stokes the rumours of an iminent launch:

Coincidentally, Forgeworld have posted this:

**zedmeister**

Forgeworld are up to their old tricks. They're currently retiring tons of product. There heresy line is getting hit with a few surprsing models vanishing. Grab what you want as what goes next is anyone's guess. A few DKoK models and a load of other 40k stuff has also vanished. Here's a list of Heresy specific models that have gone:

Terrain
Realm of Battle Mars Pattern Imperialis Landing Pad
Realm of Battle Necron Tomb Citadel
Realm of Battle Space Marine Castellum Stronghold
Imperial Emplacement
Realm of Battle Imperial Primus Redoubt
Realm of Battle Imperial Strongpoint
Realm of Battle Industrial Sector
Realm of Battle Genatorum Nexus
Realm of Battle Manufactorum Sector
Realm of Battle Cityscape Concourse Sector
Realm of Battle Cityscape Generatorum Sector

Models and accessories
Space Wolves Mk IV Shoulder Pads
Raven Guard MKIV Shoulder Pads
Thousand Sons Achean Pattern Armour Upgrade Set
Death Guard Legion Land Raider Doors
Alpha Legion MKIII Shoulder Pads
World Eaters Legion MKIV Shoulder Pads

Vehicles
Mechanicum Ordinatus Sagittar

Aurox Armoured Transport

There's also a rumour swirling that the Forgeworld store is to be rebranded as Warhammer Forge and merged with the main GW website. There's a thread on B&C where someone spotted a banner and heading for a few minutes. There's also this link and search results image:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-Forge

**Agamemnon2**

The end of "Forge World" as a brand? Sad tidings indeed. It feels like only yesterday they kicked off this bold new venture on the then-wild-and-lawless Internet.

**Slinky**

Oh dear, not another round of stealth disappearances :(

**Ketara**

Their website says 'Out of Stock'. Are we sure they're being retired?

EDIT:- Nope, that's the US version. On UK, it says 'No Longer Available'. Very strange.

EDIT2:- There's literally no door sets available now except the Deimos rhino ones. Every single set is gone.

**A.T.**

There is also a lot of stuff being removed without going to 'sold out' - for example the landraider prometheus and chimera spaced armour packs were available a couple of weeks ago and are now just gone.

I asked forgeworld "Would it be possible to get a list of items that are being discontinued in the coming months?".
They replied quickly... by hiding my post.

**zedmeister**

A.T. wrote:
There is also a lot of stuff being removed without going to 'sold out' - for example the landraider prometheus and chimera spaced armour packs were available a couple of weeks ago and are now just gone.

I asked forgeworld "Would it be possible to get a list of items that are being discontinued in the coming months?".
They replied quickly... by hiding my post.

They did go Sold Out last week and were visible for a few days until they were removed on Friday.

**Ketara**

The realm of battle crashed thunderhawk is the only decent ROB tile left upon checking.

**A.T.**

zedmeister wrote:
They did go Sold Out last week and were visible for a few days until they were removed on Friday.

Not wasting any time with it are they.
I searched around and spotted a list that was being kept of the purge. 86 items as of today, not including scenery/tiles. Mostly vehicle upgrades and shoulderpads - oldmarine/heresy scale stuff, excluding it seems the GK landraider as they aren't yet primarised. And i'd guess the rest is just poor sellers.

**pm713**

It's really a shame they removed so much of the legion unique stuff. Now I need to find another way to fancy up my spartan.