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2021/06/14 18:40:44
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
zedmeister wrote: Well, this box set is going to be expensive. Using existing model prices as a guide:
Contemptor - £35
4x MkIV/MkIII - £120
2x Cataphractii - £80
Heros - £30
Most expensive Land Raider (subbing in for a spartan) - £60
Leaving us, at minimum (unlikely), £325 worth of models. Anyone got an idea on how that compares to Indomitus?
Most of those units are priced far at a premium vs when they were part of the box set. Calth was 30 marines, 5 terminators, 2 characters and a contemptor for iirc $150. Adding 5 terminators, a spartan, and 10 more marines I could see it going for $230 to 250 range
2021/06/14 19:03:22
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: I think it's very interesting that GW hasn't acknowledged this huge leak, when doing so seems to have be their more recent response to leaks.
That makes me think that it's probably the next "big" release after the new sigmar set and they don't want to take any attention away from that until they have all their launch sales locked in.
grahamdbailey wrote: I think GW have missed a trick by giving Cataphractii in this set, rather than releasing a decent set of Saturnine Terminators, although who knows, they may yet make an appearance?
If these models make their way into 40k I sure hope that you can mix and match weapons loadouts for the Contemptor. I'd hate for the options to state: DCCW and multimelta/assault/twin autocannon. If you have an autocannon you can take a cyclone launcher.
Other than that, I hope these option also bleed over to the Custodes dreadnoughts, they need some love.
Do you think the Dreadnought will have any other optional weapons? What would you include, Plasma Cannon perhaps?
2021/06/15 00:30:13
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: I think it's very interesting that GW hasn't acknowledged this huge leak, when doing so seems to have be their more recent response to leaks.
That makes me think that it's probably the next "big" release after the new sigmar set and they don't want to take any attention away from that until they have all their launch sales locked in.
It usually takes them a few days to acknowledge leaks. Don't forget this broke on a saturday when the staff were off the clock, they probably only started working on the relevant copy this morning, they will have to do photography, put it through editing, get approvals from up the chain, etc.
My bet is that this is slotted into a fall release slot, as the timing on this reminds me of the timing on Speed Freeks, which leaked early summer but didn't release until september or october (or november?) iirc.
That seems unlikely when the leaks in question appear to be of production photos of the models. GW works years ahead on their releases, so given that we're seeing captures of painted eavy metal in production shots, your assertion seems unlikely.
I think this is just down to marketing and making sure people buy the hit of the current plastic crack the company is peddling before they get distracted by the next big thing.
My gf works marketing for one of GWs main competitors (insofar as GW has competitors, anyway), if GWs marketing is anything like theirs, then the copy hasn't been written yet and the marketing team probably were themselves in the dark about it, unless the release was imminent (and by imminent I mean this month).
grahamdbailey wrote: I think GW have missed a trick by giving Cataphractii in this set, rather than releasing a decent set of Saturnine Terminators, although who knows, they may yet make an appearance?
I thought the same thing.
Same-ish. The "Scenery Not Included" tag makes me wonder as I don't know if thats that would appear in WD photography?
But also, from what has been said in the past WD is printed more or less immediately before its released (like 2-3 weeks). IIRC the next WD is out next week, and I very much doubt this article appears in *that* White Dwarf as I believe they already showed us the contents page for it, but also because it would steel AoS's thunder, so its unlikely to be a WD leak on the basis that the *next* WD issue is still weeks away from going to print itself.
GW really hasn't been as consistent with addressing leaks as they used to. Remember when the new land speeders leaked? They never showed them off, not even during actual preview days. We had to wait forever before we got confirmation.
The Landspeeder leak was literally a couple blurry spotches of color and there were all sorts of debates as to what it was depicting. Its fair to say they chose not to address the leak because the cat wasn't really out of the bag at the time, unlike *this*.
tauist wrote: I was thinking that other than for the few HQs in the new box, what exactly prevents one from using all of the models in the box for a single legion/army? Most of the iconography looks decal-based so should be easy to pull off.
That's what I'm going to be doing at least.
Nothing, its done that way purposefully, no different than Betrayal at Calth or Burning of Prospero. The only caveat is the characters might be legion-locked with specific sons of horus/imperial fists iconography molded on, they did something similar with Burning of Prospero.
Basing my numbers on the assumption that the composite image above is from the back of the box. You can just about count 40 Mk VI and 10 Cataphractii...
I think the composite is wrong. I suspect its actually photos of two different setups rather than one big one. In particular the palcement of the Contemptor seems unlikely/impossible. I also find it weird that there are two separate bundles of dice in the photo.
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2021/06/15 05:31:50
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
They did a video just for the Lumineth models that had leaked, so they must have put it together quickly in response to the leak.
Assuming leak wasn't intentional so the video response wasn't made in advance.
Dont' recall lumineth but was it the suspiciously bad quality level? The level that requires intentional effort to have so bad? And then often followed by GW response very fast.
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tauist wrote: I was thinking that other than for the few HQs in the new box, what exactly prevents one from using all of the models in the box for a single legion/army? Most of the iconography looks decal-based so should be easy to pull off.
That's what I'm going to be doing at least.
Likely nothing. That's how previous 2 boxes were. Prospero had legion specific characters but calth was 100% legion neutral and I doubt many really split as shown. Discount box for models to build your legion it was.
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2021/06/15 06:20:57
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
cuda1179 wrote: If these models make their way into 40k I sure hope that you can mix and match weapons loadouts for the Contemptor. I'd hate for the options to state: DCCW and multimelta/assault/twin autocannon. If you have an autocannon you can take a cyclone launcher.
Other than that, I hope these option also bleed over to the Custodes dreadnoughts, they need some love.
Do you think the Dreadnought will have any other optional weapons? What would you include, Plasma Cannon perhaps?
My big hope for this new Contemptor is that it will replace the existing plastic version and include options for a multi melta and assault cannon in the kit. The Contemptor is my favourite dread design and the Calth kit was a huge disappointment. As for other options, twin linked las-cannon would be nice. Especially if the kits arms are FW compatible so you can easily double up on guns or CCW.
Custodes getting more 40k options wouldn't hurt. But the model IMO is to plain for the golden boys(same with the Calth version). They really should have there own bespoke version and not a Legion hand me down.
2021/06/15 07:01:40
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
Togusa wrote: So this new boxset looks interesting, but I have a big question.
Are. The. Rules. Changing?
We don’t even know¹ that the box is real yet, never mind having a sold enough grasp of the content to even tell you it has rules in it.
Based on previous HH boxes, it might come with cardboard and a standalone board game but then board games like Calth don’t play well with tanks so it could be an Indomitus style bunch of sprues and a rule book. Maybe when GW get around to acknowledging these images they’ll tell us.
¹ Strong evidence is not quite surety, though confidence is high.
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2021/06/15 07:46:13
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
Seen the pics floating around via Kirioth's channel and have to say even though I jumped into HH and jumped out previously, a return to a RTB001 style set of Beakies would see me jump back into HH so damned fast.
So I hope the pics are indicators of a new set, but my wallet wants it to be a illusion.
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Not Online!!! wrote: Boy howdy that is something that i'd like to convert for my cursed....
I do wonder on the pricetag though
Honestly with current plastic GW characters ranging anywhere from $35 up to $65 and up(Guilliman, Abaddon, Ghaz), Forge World's pricing on a lot of their character mini is not that bad.
the problem is not the initial price, but shipping and taxation, because well no EU and Efta was a bit ignored after the UK joined, nvm the taxation for it will most likely double the price without even considering tarifs for me.
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2021/06/15 11:42:37
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
SamusDrake wrote: Never had the pleasure of 30K, but curious as to how it fares compared to regular 40K. Any good?
Depends on what you want, but for me, it's definitely more of a setting you play in than than the ongoing unfolding narrative focused 40k. We know how the heresy ends, but you get to carve out your own legends. And it's not all about Power Armour either. You get 18 Legions, Blackshields (Build your own legion kit), 3 flavours of mechanicum, Solar Auxilia, Imperialis Militia (Imperial Guard or renegades and heretics with a huge scope for customisation), Sisters of Silence, Legio Custodes, Knights and finally Dæmons of the Ruinstorm (6 flavours of Dæmons also with a huge scope for customisation). With rites of war, each legion will play very differently to the next and even against same legions. Generally, it's a lot more balanced than 40k, but there are a few powerful builds (Thousand Sons in general and Iron Warriors Ironfire lists are two examples of very strong builds that can crush you if you're not prepared)
Goonhammer has a good article on starting out if you're interested:
SamusDrake wrote: Never had the pleasure of 30K, but curious as to how it fares compared to regular 40K. Any good?
Horus Heresy currently uses a rules system based quite heavily on 7th edition Warhammer 40K. IMO, it's a more nuanced system with mechanics that are better able to represent the various different rules for the 18 original space marine legions. In gamer terms, it's a bit more "crunchy". Vehicles have armor facings(front, side, rear) and hull points rather than wounds. High strength weapons like lascannons often have a chance of killing a vehicle outright if you roll well on the Vehicle Damage chart. Because the game is largely centered around armies of space marine vs space marine, it's a little easier to balance internally because most of the basic troops have the exact same statline. There's nothing like watching a Horus Heresy game in progress with fully painted armies and 20-man tactical squads facing off against each other while also dealing with heavy vehicles like Spartans.
Edit to add: check out "the30kchannel" on Youtube for a variety of really well-done Horus Heresy battle reports.
the problem is not the initial price, but shipping and taxation, because well no EU and Efta was a bit ignored after the UK joined, nvm the taxation for it will most likely double the price without even considering tarifs for me.
Yeah this definitely sucks for you guys in Europe. I've heard that customs fees can be insanely high on things, even if you do hit FW's free shipping threshold.
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2021/06/15 15:09:30
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
SamusDrake wrote: Never had the pleasure of 30K, but curious as to how it fares compared to regular 40K. Any good?
You dont have to buy a new codex and relearn entire meta every year that is for sure. In other words you buy an army and you know that you get to play with it in several years time (assuming youve got other players to play with) and this army will still be good on the table. In this period no drastic rules changes will occur.
If anything the only rules changes might be just now.
2021/06/15 17:08:33
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
Thank you all for enlightening me regarding all things 30K.
I dug the idea of the era back in the early 90s - there was a free Armageddon-style game in White Dwarf called Warmaster and we had many hours of fun out of that. Kind of funny when you think about it as it was the Emperor vs Horus in 40K's most legendary moment and it was a magazine freebie! There's a Horus model but still no Emperor. Strange that but I do wonder if that will end up as a one-off board game at some point...
Apparently there was a Space Wolves vs Thousand Sons game a few moons ago. Shame I was late getting back into the hobby because my brother totally loves Space Wolves while I've got the Thousand Sons bug. I think that might have pushed us into the HH thing back then. Wish I had also picked up Silver Tower for its Tzeentch theme, but the power of hindsignt, eh?
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2021/06/15 17:25:25
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
SamusDrake wrote: Thank you all for enlightening me regarding all things 30K.
I dug the idea of the era back in the early 90s - there was a free Armageddon-style game in White Dwarf called Warmaster and we had many hours of fun out of that. Kind of funny when you think about it as it was the Emperor vs Horus in 40K's most legendary moment and it was a magazine freebie! There's a Horus model but still no Emperor. Strange that but I do wonder if that will end up as a one-off board game at some point...
Apparently there was a Space Wolves vs Thousand Sons game a few moons ago. Shame I was late getting back into the hobby because my brother totally loves Space Wolves while I've got the Thousand Sons bug. I think that might have pushed us into the HH thing back then. Wish I had also picked up Silver Tower for its Tzeentch theme, but the power of hindsignt, eh?
Warmaster was fun, I liked the Battle for Armageddon Game and Doom of the Eldar that were out around that time which was of a similar vein as well. Also the reason I got the FFG Horus Heresy game which also used a similar format but with a sorta halfway house models.
Heresy has always been an interesting part of the lore to me, I always remember a short they did about Jaghatai's race for the space port way back in the early to mid 90s (I can't recall exactly when) when that finally shows up as a novel in the series I suspect I will be picking up the books I require to get me from Fulgrim (the last one I read) to there.
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2021/06/15 18:07:36
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
White Dwarf 161. Classic issue. The story of the siege of earth and the free Warmaster game. Had many happy hours with that! Rogal Dorn was just an imperial general then!
2021/06/15 19:04:47
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
zedmeister wrote: White Dwarf 161. Classic issue. The story of the siege of earth and the free Warmaster game. Had many happy hours with that! Rogal Dorn was just an imperial general then!
Played this so much back in high school. Was really fun for a little game from WD!
2021/06/15 19:42:50
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
Yeah this definitely sucks for you guys in Europe. I've heard that customs fees can be insanely high on things, even if you do hit FW's free shipping threshold.
Gw handles fees. If he had to pay tax error happened somewhere.
Edit: this for eu orders. Not sure outside eu
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2021/06/15 20:29:18
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
tneva82 wrote: Gw handles fees. If he had to pay tax error happened somewhere. Edit: this for eu orders. Not sure outside eu
I think the problem is that, while both the UK and Switzerland have free trade agreements with the EU, they do not have one with each other. So UK goods sent to Switzerland can accrue import duties / tarifs.
EDIT: I was (partially) wrong. The UK does actually have a trade agreement with Switzerland. It's not a no-tariffs agreement, though.
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2021/06/15 22:07:08
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
zedmeister wrote: Well, this box set is going to be expensive. Using existing model prices as a guide:
Contemptor - £35
4x MkIV/MkIII - £120
2x Cataphractii - £80
Heros - £30
Most expensive Land Raider (subbing in for a spartan) - £60
Leaving us, at minimum (unlikely), £325 worth of models. Anyone got an idea on how that compares to Indomitus?
Most of those units are priced far at a premium vs when they were part of the box set. Calth was 30 marines, 5 terminators, 2 characters and a contemptor for iirc $150. Adding 5 terminators, a spartan, and 10 more marines
I could see it going for $230 to 250 range
That seems right. Hoping that it won’t sell out in minutes and never return...
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2021/06/15 22:09:09
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
zedmeister wrote: Well, this box set is going to be expensive. Using existing model prices as a guide:
Contemptor - £35
4x MkIV/MkIII - £120
2x Cataphractii - £80
Heros - £30
Most expensive Land Raider (subbing in for a spartan) - £60
Leaving us, at minimum (unlikely), £325 worth of models. Anyone got an idea on how that compares to Indomitus?
Most of those units are priced far at a premium vs when they were part of the box set. Calth was 30 marines, 5 terminators, 2 characters and a contemptor for iirc $150. Adding 5 terminators, a spartan, and 10 more marines
I could see it going for $230 to 250 range
That seems right. Hoping that it won’t sell out in minutes and never return...
Given the precedent set by, what, the past 10 boxed sets, that hope shall be entirely in vain.
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2021/06/16 08:25:02
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - New Starter Plastic Box with Mk VI Armour and Spartan pg 26
zedmeister wrote: White Dwarf 161. Classic issue. The story of the siege of earth and the free Warmaster game. Had many happy hours with that! Rogal Dorn was just an imperial general then!
Played this so much back in high school. Was really fun for a little game from WD!
I have really severe doubts that the rules for the HH are going to end up changing - at least I have doubts they will move to the format of 8th and 9th.
As far as we know the HH team can barely put out a book every year or so; it's been a state of shambles since Bligh died and it's clear the FW do not have a great deal of resources. Sweeping the board and starting over would be insane given their lack of even basic resources.
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