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beast_gts wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Beakies look to be half a head taller than current Mk IV’s

There's been a bit of scale-creep recently - plastic MK3 v. recent SoH Praetor (from Reddit):

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That reddit made SoH Praetor looks super cool btw

They're just standing up straight.

So the Kratos is a super-angry Greek man is an obsolete tank? Interesting.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
... if this guy has a good set of options...

Heh. "Options". You're a funny one, Kyoto.

beast_gts wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Beakies look to be half a head taller than current Mk IV’s

There's been a bit of scale-creep recently - plastic MK3 v. recent SoH Praetor (from Reddit):

Spoiler:

There's been more than a bit i say, compare the few years old plastic Terminator to the new IF Terminator Praetor, both in Tartaros Armour.

If this is how GW are keeping the Firstborn marine range alive and in plastic, then I'm cool with anything they're planning. It'll be interesting to see if this means things like a plastic Deimos Rhino kit that actually replaces the current model, and so on. It would create a pretty clear distinction between modern Primaris and Firstborn marines, while the scale increase will mean mixing and matching also doesn't look completely out of place the way it currently does.

Pretty brave of some of you to assume scale creep won't mean Firstborn will soon be bigger than Primaris.

 Gitzsmasha wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Beakies look to be half a head taller than current Mk IV’s

There's been a bit of scale-creep recently - plastic MK3 v. recent SoH Praetor (from Reddit):

Spoiler:

That reddit made SoH Praetor looks super cool btw

It's not reddit made, its the SoH Praetor that got released a few months ago. I believe the redditor ordered Maloghurst and somehow the SoH Praetor was sent by mistake. So he was the first person to get it (it wasn't even revealed at the time lol)

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Gitzsmasha wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Beakies look to be half a head taller than current Mk IV’s

There's been a bit of scale-creep recently - plastic MK3 v. recent SoH Praetor (from Reddit):

Spoiler:

That reddit made SoH Praetor looks super cool btw

It's not reddit made, its the SoH Praetor that got released a few months ago. I believe the redditor ordered Maloghurst and somehow the SoH Praetor was sent by mistake. So he was the first person to get it (it wasn't even revealed at the time lol)

Yeah - the photo is from Reddit.

 Albertorius wrote:
Just saw the video, very cool looking.

I would have preferred a more normal voice than Growly McGrowl, though. I feel it detracts from the speech.

It's the voice I would expect from a psychopath like that. The facial expressions were ace.

This Youtube whiner doesnt get GW.

Mk VI plastic kit has been one of the most requested Space Marine kits for decades. Mk III and Mk IV kits have already existed for a long time. After Mk VI kit gets released, the next logical plastic kit will be Mk V, followed by Mk II. Then all the armour marks of HH will have plastic kits, after which, assuming demand exists, Mk IV & Mk III kits can be resculpted to the new proportions/scale. Most of the legion specific resin bits are made to the old proportions/scale, so if the legion specific kits will remain in resin for now, it is only logical that the plastic kits which are compatible with those legion kits (Mk III & Mk IV), will be the very last plastic kits to get a resculpt. And then GW is finally in a position where they can redo legion specific kits in plastic. Any other order of doing this would be frankly beyond stupidity.

Mk VI kit is the only one of the three remaining plastic armour mark specific kits with mass 40K appeal (for loyalists anyway). It will make GW a boatload of money. That money will help fund more HH content and enable much more niche things for the future.

Ok, lets then think about the Kratos tank. It's a Sicaran with a Deimos Predator turret, right? Well, considering how modern GW vehicle plastic kits are made, it is pretty obvious that a single Sicaran kit will be produced which will have multiple build options, so it can be built into all the sicaran variants from a single SKU. This is logistically much more reasonable than having separate SKUs for every tank variant out there.

I know whinging on Youtube is a profitable business nowadays (this guy has monetized his channel, right?), but this is just overly dramatic bs what he spewing.


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 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Just saw the video, very cool looking.

I would have preferred a more normal voice than Growly McGrowl, though. I feel it detracts from the speech.

It's the voice I would expect from a psychopath like that. The facial expressions were ace.

Isn't Horus partially a Daemon by that time anyways? If so, OTT voice doesnt feel out of the realm of possibility in the slightest.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
... if this guy has a good set of options...

Heh. "Options". You're a funny one, Kyoto.

Well if this kit is supposed to be all of these...

Praetors are mighty warriors and can represent Lord Commanders, Jarls, Khans, and more, depending on your Legion. As with the Tactical Marine, the Praetor is Legion-agnostic, meaning you can easily use them in your favourite Legion – simply paint them as you want, and you’re good to go.

...you'd expect a few heads/helmets and good mix of weapons.

But then again hope is the beginning of unhappiness...

Maybe they all like topknots and absurdly large axes.

If it doesn't, it's not like there aren't already loads of alternate options for both plastic and resin minis.

I'll reserve judgement on the size of the beakie until I see one that is in the standard squatting pose.

And haven't a lot of the character models usually been a little taller anyway?

I'm 100% sure the NuBeakies are in the modern CSM scale. This was already confirmed by Mr Ecles @ Adepticon QA earlier today (according to /r 30k)

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Just saw the video, very cool looking.

I would have preferred a more normal voice than Growly McGrowl, though. I feel it detracts from the speech.

It's the voice I would expect from a psychopath like that. The facial expressions were ace.

Yea, at this point Horus is pretty much enthralled by Chaos, so I could see a more "evil" style voice. Still, I think it would be interesting juxtaposition to give him a smooth, charismatic voice like a great orator, which I imagine him having prior to his fall.

Here's the leaked new tank rules. They could have just done a plastic sicaran like we all wanted... ugh

Reminds me very much of the Hercules tank that was referenced back in 1st edition Titanicus

The fact there are people complaining about plastic Beakies is a bit staggering to me. I've always known the OuterCircle to produce well ... junk content frankly (I've no issue with complaining about, or even hating Games Workshop), but this kind of thing just takes the cake to be honest.

 blood reaper wrote:
The fact there are people complaining about plastic Beakies is a bit staggering to me. I've always known the OuterCircle to produce well ... junk content frankly (I've no issue with complaining about, or even hating Games Workshop), but this kind of thing just takes the cake to be honest.

You seem more concerned with the outer circles take than praising the awesome new previews... maybe he's making some good points that resonate. I just watched video, seems to be pretty much on the money.

Vehicle (Reinforced). Definitely a new keyword

 tauist wrote:
I'm 100% sure the NuBeakies are in the modern CSM scale. This was already confirmed by Mr Ecles @ Adepticon QA earlier today (according to /r 30k)

And, I think, all of those are significantly bulkier than the HH resins from FW. The resin infantry are going to look not great. I won't be replacing my collection though (though I am sure the new stuff will look ace).

On the scale issue, thinking back it was quite obvious for many years that eventually GW were going to do a scale shift and upsize them, as not only had it happened to other ranges but the original scale was starting to look pitifully small compared to other races in the game and didn't line up with the background material.
I'm sure most of us would have bought the new scale anyway, but some bright spark had the idea of 'Primaris' and moving the timeline forward, write some new rules, and make it an imperative that everyone buy marines again in the new scale.
This for me just shows that; the new larger scale and better plastic sprue production lets the sculptors do so much more (and does look better) I don't think you were ever going to get tiny 90s or 00s scale marines coming along any more.

blood reaper wrote:The fact there are people complaining about plastic Beakies is a bit staggering to me. I've always known the OuterCircle to produce well ... junk content frankly (I've no issue with complaining about, or even hating Games Workshop), but this kind of thing just takes the cake to be honest.

For many of us the 'Beakie' is the definitive Space Marine armour design. It was the one made at the beginning and all of the artwork for the first few years of 40k, and so has a special place in the hearts of those who remember those times.

Soundtheory wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Just saw the video, very cool looking.

I would have preferred a more normal voice than Growly McGrowl, though. I feel it detracts from the speech.

It's the voice I would expect from a psychopath like that. The facial expressions were ace.

Yea, at this point Horus is pretty much enthralled by Chaos, so I could see a more "evil" style voice. Still, I think it would be interesting juxtaposition to give him a smooth, charismatic voice like a great orator, which I imagine him having prior to his fall.

Now imagining that video where Horus has the voice of Roger Moore

I felt the weakest part was the facial animation/design, the audio def feels a bit christian bale but its more the delivery and pacing so the vo sorta had to serve that more. I thought it was abaddon at one point. The titan/tank stuff was great.


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EviscerationPlague wrote:
Vehicle (Reinforced). Definitely a new keyword

Might be replacing armoured ceramite or something similar.

 Crablezworth wrote:
You seem more concerned with the outer circles take than praising the awesome new previews... maybe he's making some good points that resonate. I just watched video, seems to be pretty much on the money.

A minute into his video, he already comes across as the kind of person that loves the smell of their own farts. Like literally 1.3 minutes into the video he's monologuing about his personality like anyone cares who he is.

His first point is that the community defends gak models. Supported by the evidence that, "people can't state why a model is great, but they come up all these reasons why it's not so gak. When you have to start justifying why a model is good, that should be in my mind the warning sign that it's not." Which is a terrible argument for a number of reasons, particularly because he uses the point to bridge in to attack the background for the models and not the models themselves.

He then projects his feelings about the new models being 40k style onto the situation.

I gave up at this point because this whole video might as well be, "One man states unsupported opinions for clickbait clicks on youtube."

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
You seem more concerned with the outer circles take than praising the awesome new previews... maybe he's making some good points that resonate. I just watched video, seems to be pretty much on the money.

A minute into his video, he already comes across as the kind of person that loves the smell of their own farts. Like literally 1.3 minutes into the video he's monologuing about his personality like anyone cares who he is.

His first point is that the community defends gak models. Supported by the evidence that, "people can't state why a model is great, but they come up all these reasons why it's not so gak. When you have to start justifying why a model is good, that should be in my mind the warning sign that it's not." Which is a terrible argument for a number of reasons, particularly because he uses the point to bridge in to attack the background for the models and not the models themselves.

He then projects his feelings about the new models being 40k style onto the situation.

I gave up at this point because this whole video might as well be, "One man states unsupported opinions for clickbait clicks on youtube."

I agreed with a lot of his points (to one degree or another), disagreed with a lot too. I agree though he did sound quite douchey at the start - he's literally calling me a simp and a cretin for liking different stuff to him. Like yeah I get it, I think some of the praise for a lot of GW stuff is far too fulsome sometimes, and I disagree with people about what they think is good in all sorts of stuff, whether miniature aesthetics, fluff, whatever, but I generally don't tend to think of those who disagree with me as some type of subspecies of swamp people

JWBS wrote:

I agreed with a lot of his points (to one degree or another), disagreed with a lot too. I agree though he did sound quite douchey at the start - he's literally calling me a simp and a cretin for liking different stuff to him. Like yeah I get it, I think some of the praise for a lot of GW stuff is far too fulsome sometimes, and I disagree with people about what they think is good in all sorts of stuff, whether miniature aesthetics, fluff, whatever, but I generally don't tend to think of those who disagree with me as some type of subspecies of swamp people

He's producing clickbait. The same people who rail on spikeybits for being garbage should feel the same way about this guy. He's being intentionally inflammatory so that people react and watch his content. I made that mistake today and will never again.

And what's even more laughable is that I'd bet most people who get on their soapboxes about how much of a travesty this is, will just buy the boxes anyways.

Well he does preface it that this was his what third attempt and he was trying to take that sorta language out of it, totally fair that he's not for everyone. The better points are later in the video and in fairness its not a short video.


I think with plastic, people see in potential, esp on the beakie side because there's a lot of customization and conversion potential. The praetor is more controversial IMO. A general critique of gw design when it comes to characters/monopose is they tend to put too much stuff/bits. The praetor has a lot going on, chainmail, it also looks a bit chunky or off in the way the gravis armour did.


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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

JWBS wrote:

I agreed with a lot of his points (to one degree or another), disagreed with a lot too. I agree though he did sound quite douchey at the start - he's literally calling me a simp and a cretin for liking different stuff to him. Like yeah I get it, I think some of the praise for a lot of GW stuff is far too fulsome sometimes, and I disagree with people about what they think is good in all sorts of stuff, whether miniature aesthetics, fluff, whatever, but I generally don't tend to think of those who disagree with me as some type of subspecies of swamp people

He's producing clickbait. The same people who rail on spikeybits for being garbage should feel the same way about this guy. He's being intentionally inflammatory so that people react and watch his content. I made that mistake today and will never again.

And what's even more laughable is that I'd bet most people who get on their soapboxes about how much of a travesty this is, will just buy the boxes anyways.

I think it's fair to say salt is part of the deal but there's also plenty of content that doesn't really fit the clickbait/flamebait bill. And a lot of his analysis tends to be ok. His video on the sun killer rule was good.

That's not legit though - "Hey James, I really wanted to call you a stinking dirty gross looking scumbag. I really did. But I won't do that. That's not what I'm going to do, I will refrain". But yes I agreed with a number of the criticisms, to some extent.

That praetor is fantastic, but I do hope the kit has some options -- I would personally de-bling him a lot (those dangling stars off his pauldrons, for starters).

If I could just build him without cape and dangly stars, I'd be ecstatic. Probably buy a few.

I dont like the Praetor they showed off, it seems idk too AoS to me. I do like the one we havent seen in non-blurry pictures from the original leak of the box set thats opposite of the one they showed off.

Quasistellar wrote:
That praetor is fantastic, but I do hope the kit has some options -- I would personally de-bling him a lot (those dangling stars off his pauldrons, for starters).

If I could just build him without cape and dangly stars, I'd be ecstatic. Probably buy a few.

Ya I hope it's got some options or can at least be built with less bling.