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I hope that list of removed units is bs. Iron Warriors losing their whole contingent of non-primarch special characters, including the one that actually has a (limited edition event exclusive) model? That blows.

They removed one of my fav things about 40k: Angry Washing Machine Dreadnoughts.

Not that I have any in my WE army - it's just Contemptors - but still. I have so many Boxnaughts that I might've done one or two up in WE colours.

WTF - Tarantulas are out? They're hard enough to include in a 40K list already. Disappointed.

Soon, I will not only have an army incompatible with 40K, but 30K as well. Great

 tauist wrote:
WTF - Tarantulas are out? They're hard enough to include in a 40K list already. Disappointed.

Soon, I will not only have an army incompatible with 40K, but 30K as well. Great

Tarantulas are some of my favorite things...

 tauist wrote:
WTF - Tarantulas are out? They're hard enough to include in a 40K list already. Disappointed.

Soon, I will not only have an army incompatible with 40K, but 30K as well. Great

My guess is there's enough 3rd party sci-fi gun turrets out there that GW decided it was ok to toss them.

Ahh man, Ebon Keshig are the only keshig that exist, Qinxa cant have his special bodyguard aynmore.
I guess im kinda glad I never got around to converting those scarob occult termies to them.

Aren't the Ebon Keshig the only one that have miniatures?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Aren't the Ebon Keshig the only one that have miniatures?

They aren’t in the list of things going that I can see. The Golden Keshig have models as well.

Hm, Iron Havocs gone? >_>

Well, hopefully I'll at least will be able to use them as regular HWs.

There is no mention of custodes in those HH leaks or am i missing something?

 nordsturmking wrote:
There is no mention of custodes in those HH leaks or am i missing something?

I'm sure they'll be in the non legion book.

Regarding any missing units- isn't the initial release of books just supposed to be a get you by set until individual legions get their own books?

The Black Adder wrote:
I'm sure they'll be in the non legion book.

Regarding any missing units- isn't the initial release of books just supposed to be a get you by set until individual legions get their own books?

Considering this set of leaks seemingly has unique Legion units in it, and not only a few but what looks to be almost the full compliment of Dark Angels units, this doesn't seem to be a "get you by" book like the 8th Ed Indexes or even the 9th Ed Marine Codex pre-Supplement release. This seems to be the full package that has just wiped units from the board at random, even ones that were added in Book 9.

I think some of this may be the result of no models, no rules…

Yup, all the missing units are no models no rules.
Perhaps we can count our lucky stars that they haven't taken it to the same extremes that 40k has?

Allegedly (someone said someone said on twitter) there's some office politics as well. Games/studios are judged on how well their miniatures sell, and since Boxnaughts are 40k branded sales of those boost the 40k team's numbers, not the 30k team's.
So they've been removed because, although they're still available, sales hurt the 30k team more than they help.
Seems plausible enough but who knows.

 Gert wrote:

The Black Adder wrote:
I'm sure they'll be in the non legion book.

Regarding any missing units- isn't the initial release of books just supposed to be a get you by set until individual legions get their own books?

Considering this set of leaks seemingly has unique Legion units in it, and not only a few but what looks to be almost the full compliment of Dark Angels units, this doesn't seem to be a "get you by" book like the 8th Ed Indexes or even the 9th Ed Marine Codex pre-Supplement release. This seems to be the full package that has just wiped units from the board at random, even ones that were added in Book 9.

I think that's incredibly unlikely that GW won't release any more books for an entire addition of a game.

It is very annoying that they have removed Castraferrum Dreadnoughts and Indomitus Terminators.

My Imperial Fists force has both to match with their lore as a specialist force for void combat, including an Indomitus Praetor conversion (Imperial Fists had the most suits of Indomitus during the Heresy and Castraferrum Dreadnoughts are noted as having the lowest height and being better suited to boarding actions as a result).

No Medusa? Iron Warriors are gonna be mighty upset, there's literally a kit for it still around.

The Black Adder wrote:

 Gert wrote:

The Black Adder wrote:
I'm sure they'll be in the non legion book.

Regarding any missing units- isn't the initial release of books just supposed to be a get you by set until individual legions get their own books?

Considering this set of leaks seemingly has unique Legion units in it, and not only a few but what looks to be almost the full compliment of Dark Angels units, this doesn't seem to be a "get you by" book like the 8th Ed Indexes or even the 9th Ed Marine Codex pre-Supplement release. This seems to be the full package that has just wiped units from the board at random, even ones that were added in Book 9.

I think that's incredibly unlikely that GW won't release any more books for an entire addition of a game.

No doubt books come. Another thing does that mean rules for non-existant models or 40k models come with them...

The Black Adder wrote:
I think that's incredibly unlikely that GW won't release any more books for an entire addition of a game.

So? The Legion list has been gutted and the Legions themselves have also been gutted. My Iron Warriors just lost 2/3 of the named characters I had for them and my 3 units of Iron Havocs just got turned into Heavy Weapons squads. My Blackshields have been shelved because the rumours suggest they've been axed and the Shattered Legions army I had just started might now be unviable. As far as my current HH armies go they've been dropped into a lake with concrete tied to their legs if I move to the new edition.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
Allegedly (someone said someone said on twitter) there's some office politics as well. Games/studios are judged on how well their miniatures sell, and since Boxnaughts are 40k branded sales of those boost the 40k team's numbers, not the 30k team's.
So they've been removed because, although they're still available, sales hurt the 30k team more than they help.
Seems plausible enough but who knows.

That puts Daemons in an interesting place...

 Gert wrote:

The Black Adder wrote:
I think that's incredibly unlikely that GW won't release any more books for an entire addition of a game.

So? The Legion list has been gutted and the Legions themselves have also been gutted. My Iron Warriors just lost 2/3 of the named characters I had for them and my 3 units of Iron Havocs just got turned into Heavy Weapons squads. My Blackshields have been shelved because the rumours suggest they've been axed and the Shattered Legions army I had just started might now be unviable. As far as my current HH armies go they've been dropped into a lake with concrete tied to their legs if I move to the new edition.

But no model no rules makes the game more welcoming to newbies, don't'chu forget.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
But no model no rules makes the game more welcoming to newbies, don't'chu forget.

Which would make sense if the units being removed fell into that category, which they don't.

 Gert wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
But no model no rules makes the game more welcoming to newbies, don't'chu forget.

Which would make sense if the units being removed fell into that category, which they don't.

Do the units you mentioned currently have explictly dedicated models for them, though? Or do you have to use something else as a count-as.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Do the units you mentioned currently have explictly dedicated models for them, though? Or do you have to use something else as a count-as.

There are unit entries in the book that don't have dedicated models so while in this instance you may be correct with "GW bad" it's not for the correct reason.

How many of the removed units are marginally different legion specific variations of generic units? Meaning that you could just continue to use them as the generic versions.

That don't have dedicated models yet, we don't know what releases they have planned.

Also GW being inconsistent with how rules are applied is nothing new.

 Gert wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Do the units you mentioned currently have explictly dedicated models for them, though? Or do you have to use something else as a count-as.

There are unit entries in the book that don't have dedicated models.

Sorry my guy, i'm pretty sure that falls under "No Model, No Rules", and thus, removing them as an unit makes them game more welcoming to new players, as they don't have to convert them, or whatever people that defend the whole thing say nowadays.

Oh ok then, if its nothing new then I just won't be annoyed about it. That's cool Kiro thanks for enlightening me


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Sorry my guy, i'm pretty sure that falls under "No Model, No Rules", and thus, removing them as an unit makes them game more welcoming to new players, as they don't have to convert them, or whatever people that defend the whole thing say nowadays.

You didn't read what I said, or if you did ignored it because it doesn't suit your narrative. There are unit options still present in that leaked document that don't have official models. Therefore the argument of NMNR doesn't apply.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
Yup, all the missing units are no models no rules.

Are they? Iron Havocs never needed any model that did not exist, and they're on the "no rules" list.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
But no model no rules makes the game more welcoming to newbies, don't'chu forget.

Which would make sense if the units being removed fell into that category, which they don't.

Do the units you mentioned currently have explictly dedicated models for them, though? Or do you have to use something else as a count-as.

Why would all special units need dedicated ultra special minis, though, when they're just weapon swaps?

 Albertorius wrote:

 kirotheavenger wrote:
Yup, all the missing units are no models no rules.

Are they? Iron Havocs never needed any model that did not exist, and they're on the "no rules" list.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
But no model no rules makes the game more welcoming to newbies, don't'chu forget.

Which would make sense if the units being removed fell into that category, which they don't.

Do the units you mentioned currently have explictly dedicated models for them, though? Or do you have to use something else as a count-as.

Why would all special units need dedicated ultra special minis, though, when they're just weapon swaps?

Ask the guy who designs Primaris models