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I…actually don’t know how much I like them now. A lot of the leg poses are not good. The walking ones are cool but they just can’t get away from the ‘stood still, legs splayed’ pose I guess.

Hm...

The black marine (Raven? Angel? Who knows ) is exactly identical to the Sons one with the pointing gun, right down to the helmet.

The DG marine has two differences with the SoH one, chain bayonet and helmet.

Sergeants have a different arm and helmet.

I'm not sure it bodes too well for customizability.

 zedmeister wrote:
I have a desire to paint these in Crimson Fist colours and battle them out with the nu-squats!

If you paint them as crimson fists, you need to fight orks, at the farm.

 Albertorius wrote:
Hm...

The black marine (Raven? Angel? Who knows ) is exactly identical to the Sons one with the pointing gun, right down to the helmet.

The DG marine has two differences with the SoH one, chain bayonet and helmet.

Sergeants have a different arm and helmet.

I'm not sure it bodes too well for customizability.

Sooo the same as 90% of every other Marine and GW kit in existence?

Whoever said doubled-up sprue of five Marines, seems to have been entirely correct.

I think they’re wonderful. I’m getting seriously fuzzy, warm, nostalgia feels from them. I never actually played Rogue Trader but I did buy a box of RTB01 to use as power armoured soldiers in Traveller games.

 Gert wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Hm...

The black marine (Raven? Angel? Who knows ) is exactly identical to the Sons one with the pointing gun, right down to the helmet.

The DG marine has two differences with the SoH one, chain bayonet and helmet.

Sergeants have a different arm and helmet.

I'm not sure it bodes too well for customizability.

Sooo the same as 90% of every other Marine and GW kit in existence?

Not at all, no? More like the same as the Intercessors, with 5 bodies repeated over, and over and over and over.

As it is, and seeing that, I don't think I want any kind of bundle for a lot of these. I'll still probably get a single box of ten, but more than that would get very old, very fast.


So, good for a KT I guess.

Really nice design on the new power sword. Happy to see differentiations continue with this kit. I can understand the customization concerns, from the point of view of fun in assembly, but not in terms of final appearance, as basic troops always look samey. Having assembled dozens of first born space marines over the years, those kits just really didn’t give a result all that different from these newer kits.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Whoever said doubled-up sprue of five Marines, seems to have been entirely correct.

There also seems to be just, like, three bolter arms poses. There's four there with the finger on the trigger guard (two with belt, two without, and seeing that's the only difference, no, that's NOT a different pose), two hip shooting, two shoulder aiming.

VERY limited.

Anyways, about what was expected.

 Albertorius wrote:
Not at all, no? More like the same as the Intercessors, with 5 bodies repeated over, and over and over and over.

As it is, and seeing that, I don't think I want any kind of bundle for a lot of these. I'll still probably get a single box of ten, but more than that would get very old, very fast.


So, good for a KT I guess.

It's ok to be in denial that these are fundamentally the same as any Space Marine ever made where the squads all have very similar poses and it takes kitbashing to change that. The biggest difference is these ones don't look like they really need to go to the toilet as soon as the battle is over.


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 Albertorius wrote:
There also seems to be just, like, three bolter arms poses. There's four there with the finger on the trigger guard (two with belt, two without, and seeing that's the only difference, no, that's NOT a different pose), two hip shooting, two shoulder aiming.

VERY limited.

Anyways, about what was expected.

As opposed to the current Tactical or other Heresy armour kits where there is one or two Bolter poses.

 Gert wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Not at all, no? More like the same as the Intercessors, with 5 bodies repeated over, and over and over and over.

As it is, and seeing that, I don't think I want any kind of bundle for a lot of these. I'll still probably get a single box of ten, but more than that would get very old, very fast.


So, good for a KT I guess.

It's ok to be in denial that these are fundamentally the same as any Space Marine ever made where the squads all have very similar poses and it takes kitbashing to change that. The biggest difference is these ones don't look like they really need to go to the toilet as soon as the battle is over.


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 Albertorius wrote:
There also seems to be just, like, three bolter arms poses. There's four there with the finger on the trigger guard (two with belt, two without, and seeing that's the only difference, no, that's NOT a different pose), two hip shooting, two shoulder aiming.

VERY limited.

Anyways, about what was expected.

As opposed to the current Tactical or other Heresy armour kits where there is one or two Bolter poses.

Right, sure. And we've always been at war with Eastasia. Bye.

You liking them and thinking there's nothing wrong at all with these, because for you the old way didn't make them different enough? It's cool.

You gaslighting everyone to think that's how it's always been? Less cool.

Shame that there doesn't seem to be any special or heavy weapons included like the Mk III or IV sets. And a lack of the basic bolt pistol and chainsword for the sergeant.

Someone suggested in a FB chat that we might get 5-man support/heavy support box set.

 Albertorius wrote:
Hm...

The black marine (Raven? Angel? Who knows ) is exactly identical to the Sons one with the pointing gun, right down to the helmet.

The DG marine has two differences with the SoH one, chain bayonet and helmet.

Sergeants have a different arm and helmet.

I'm not sure it bodes too well for customizability.

They’re plastic models. A few seconds with a hobby saw and some strategic glue and Bob’s your Uncle.

 Nevelon wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I have a desire to paint these in Crimson Fist colours and battle them out with the nu-squats!

If you paint them as crimson fists, you need to fight orks, at the farm.

I have the terrain ready!

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Whoever said doubled-up sprue of five Marines, seems to have been entirely correct.

Well have to see how the models are actually built but if they have flat joins for the arms, it looks like any arm could go with any body. But yeah, if you are gonna have fused torso and legs for better poses (something I like), it would be better to have 10 unique body-legs pieces and then freedom for arms and heads than just 5 bodies.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I have a desire to paint these in Crimson Fist colours and battle them out with the nu-squats!

If you paint them as crimson fists, you need to fight orks, at the farm.

I have the terrain ready!

Spoiler:

Well done!

I wonder how many throwback projects this kit is going to inspire? Guessing a bunch.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Hm...

The black marine (Raven? Angel? Who knows ) is exactly identical to the Sons one with the pointing gun, right down to the helmet.

The DG marine has two differences with the SoH one, chain bayonet and helmet.

Sergeants have a different arm and helmet.

I'm not sure it bodes too well for customizability.

They’re plastic models. A few seconds with a hobby saw and some strategic glue and Bob’s your Uncle.

That's nice, but who's got time for that?

...and even less so now that GW minis look like jigsaw puzzles >_>

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Toofast wrote:
Once you get into the Warmaster, Warbringer and Dire Wolf offer new, but limited options to a would-be Princeps.

The Warmaster DOES have options, GW just refuses to let you use them without buying and painting 2 entire Warmaster models. This deviates from their previous strategy of selling upgrade sprues through GW and individual weapons through FW so that you could have 1 titan body and all the weapon options. The problem with the warmaster isn't the limited options, it's the fact that I have to buy a second huge, $150 model that I don't need or want to paint just for 2 weapon arms.

Sweet, monopose plastics for HH. So glad I spent the better part of a week drilling tiny holes into marines. Now I can has the same 5x models as everyone else on the planet. It's okay, I'm sure I'll be the only person to glue knife bits to my guns, oh wait, they have those too.

Beakies are my second (Heresy is the first) least favourite SM armor but I still like how that squad looks, and as others pointed the power sword looks great.

Ah, the nostalgia. I bought a box set of the RTB01 back when they were released, painted them up very poorly as White Scars, and over the decades since have lost them. Probably for the best.

Very much looking forward to that release box.

What i think is interesting, is that the Sergant gets no other ranged options than the Plasma Pistol.

This is a Legion Tactical Squad, so it’s (old-style) bolters and bayonets for everyone, though the Sergeant gets a plasma pistol and a choice of power sword, power fist, or lightning claw.

 Albertorius wrote:

Right, sure. And we've always been at war with Eastasia. Bye.

You liking them and thinking there's nothing wrong at all with these, because for you the old way didn't make them different enough? It's cool.

You gaslighting everyone to think that's how it's always been? Less cool.

But the truth is that kits with 10 entirely unique body poses are:
a) An aberration rather than the norm.
b) Typically entirely unnoticeable on the tabletop. There's only so much variety you can put into guys walking around guns before it gets weird.

However if you do need each individual marine to be a uniquely posed snowflake then luckily GW can already help you with that!

 Gert wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Not at all, no? More like the same as the Intercessors, with 5 bodies repeated over, and over and over and over.

As it is, and seeing that, I don't think I want any kind of bundle for a lot of these. I'll still probably get a single box of ten, but more than that would get very old, very fast.


So, good for a KT I guess.

It's ok to be in denial that these are fundamentally the same as any Space Marine ever made where the squads all have very similar poses and it takes kitbashing to change that. The biggest difference is these ones don't look like they really need to go to the toilet as soon as the battle is over.


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 Albertorius wrote:
There also seems to be just, like, three bolter arms poses. There's four there with the finger on the trigger guard (two with belt, two without, and seeing that's the only difference, no, that's NOT a different pose), two hip shooting, two shoulder aiming.

VERY limited.

Anyways, about what was expected.

As opposed to the current Tactical or other Heresy armour kits where there is one or two Bolter poses.

Well just because you suck at assembling doesn't mean everybody sucks at assembing.

For majority this is degrade in posability.

 Albertorius wrote:
Right, sure. And we've always been at war with Eastasia. Bye.

?

You liking them and thinking there's nothing wrong at all with these, because for you the old way didn't make them different enough? It's cool.

You gaslighting everyone to think that's how it's always been? Less cool.

It's not gaslighting when it is objectively true. What you are describing is someone challenging your bias towards "New Thing Bad" and you don't like being wrong.
But this discussion has been done to death both here and in the other thread in the HH forum so I'm not searching for pictures of every single Tactical Squad ever to prove my point.


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tneva82 wrote:
Well just because you suck at assembling doesn't mean everybody sucks at assembing.

For majority this is degrade in posability.

The arms can be up or down. There's no in-between and there's no need to insult me.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Beakies are my second (Heresy is the first) least favourite SM armor but I still like how that squad looks, and as others pointed the power sword looks great.

I'll be modifying mine with alternate heads/shoulder pads, like the Forgeworld Sons of Horus heads or Kromlech Legionary heads. That should break up the profile somewhat.

I'm realizing, however, that I'm not a fan of the weird pseudo-toes on the feet. I wonder if they can be altered without too much hassle?

 infinite_array wrote:
I'm realizing, however, that I'm not a fan of the weird pseudo-toes on the feet. I wonder if they can be altered without too much hassle?

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 xttz wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Right, sure. And we've always been at war with Eastasia. Bye.

You liking them and thinking there's nothing wrong at all with these, because for you the old way didn't make them different enough? It's cool.

You gaslighting everyone to think that's how it's always been? Less cool.

But the truth is that kits with 10 entirely unique body poses are:
a) An aberration rather than the norm.
b) Typically entirely unnoticeable on the tabletop. There's only so much variety you can put into guys walking around guns before it gets weird.

However if you do need each individual marine to be a uniquely posed snowflake then luckily GW can already help you with that!

They are now. Not always have been and forever and ever will be.

And I don't much care that they are unnoticeable (they're not, really, particularly not when you can mix and match from every other marine out there... except the prims, of course, and these) as long as I can pose them however I want instead of having to align parts 01 to 07 five times in a row to get a single body.

As to the rest, I don't really think it merits an answer.

 infinite_array wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Beakies are my second (Heresy is the first) least favourite SM armor but I still like how that squad looks, and as others pointed the power sword looks great.

I'll be modifying mine with alternate heads/shoulder pads, like the Forgeworld Sons of Horus heads or Kromlech Legionary heads. That should break up the profile somewhat.

I'm realizing, however, that I'm not a fan of the weird pseudo-toes on the feet. I wonder if they can be altered without too much hassle?

If they're just recessed, as they seem to be, you can probably fill in the holes with greenstuff and smooth it out without much trouble.

 Albertorius wrote:
You gaslighting everyone to think that's how it's always been? Less cool.

Crazy stuff, ain't it?

1. "You're crazy! Nothing had changed. They're not mono-pose!"
2. "So what if they are monopose? They weren't really posable before, so it's not that big a difference!" <--- Gert is here.
3. "We like it because they're dynamic and the old ones were bad anyway!"
4. "No options and nonposable is actually better for everyone/the game/etc.!"
5. "It's just nostalgia/rose-tinted glasses that you think they were posable/easy to convert!"
6. "You should be thankful there are even options at all!"