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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/11 00:44:07
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Terrifying Doombull
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Undead_Love-Machine wrote:Has there been a pre order date announced yet? I feel like I've been waiting for this box set for a long, long time...
No.
They're holding a 'play before release' event on May 7th, so definitely after that. June or July isn't unusual for a new edition release, iirc.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/28/caught-horus-heresy-fever-play-the-new-edition-before-its-released-at-a-special-warhammer-world-event/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/11 02:24:37
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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Two month build up to a massive edition launch would be on par for GW. Spend April showing off models, May showing off rules and mechanics and then pre-order in June.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/11 05:23:35
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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ClockworkZion wrote:Two month build up to a massive edition launch would be on par for GW. Spend April showing off models, May showing off rules and mechanics and then pre-order in June.
damnit GW take my money!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/11 05:30:22
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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$0. 'Cause I ain't buyin' that gak.
I'll parts order the Dread and characters. The rest can go jump...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/11 08:16:31
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Calculating Commissar
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Crimson wrote:
Those were plastic? Why don't I remember those? I remember going from the terrible single pose statue marines shown on the previous page straight to the multipart ones that are very similar to the ones they still sell today... I never knew there was a plastic iteration between these...
They're a weird inbetweener release, since both the 2nd edition starter box marines and the metal (plastic-armed) marines were available as 10-man boxes but the "Warriors" sprues only came out in this 6-man configuration.
I'm not actually 100% sure when it came out, but here's a catalog pic. As you can see, the sprue itself was tiny, like most RT era sprues (cutting steel moulds was expensive as heck, so the smaller the better was a general rule). The other sprues on the page were much more common in the period, featuring in the various squad boxes and character blister packs of the era.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/11 09:11:31
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Agamemnon2 wrote: Crimson wrote:
Those were plastic? Why don't I remember those? I remember going from the terrible single pose statue marines shown on the previous page straight to the multipart ones that are very similar to the ones they still sell today... I never knew there was a plastic iteration between these...
They're a weird inbetweener release, since both the 2nd edition starter box marines and the metal (plastic-armed) marines were available as 10-man boxes but the "Warriors" sprues only came out in this 6-man configuration.
I'm not actually 100% sure when it came out, but here's a catalog pic. As you can see, the sprue itself was tiny, like most RT era sprues (cutting steel moulds was expensive as heck, so the smaller the better was a general rule). The other sprues on the page were much more common in the period, featuring in the various squad boxes and character blister packs of the era.
All sprues are from 1992, except that plastic Body sprue, which is post-1993.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/11 12:02:22
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: Yodhrin wrote: Abadabadoobaddon wrote:-snip-
Faces generally have 2 eyes, a nose, and a mouth. There are subtle differences between individual's faces that make them distinguishable if you look closely. A sea of slightly different faces looks like a crowd. A sea of faces where there are only 5 types and where every face of a given type is identical looks like a clone army. If on top of that, every third face also has an eye patch and pirate hat then it just looks silly.
This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
Flawless and concise, now watch as it's ignored, sidestepped, or gaslit away just like every other argument that's inconvenient.
I mean it works as an arguement for more variety in face options, but when talking about near identical suits of armour?
Identical suits of armor in slightly different poses look like 2 dudes wearing the same suit of armor. Identical suits of armor in exactly the same dynamic walking pose with exactly the same leg and body orientation look like copies. If the kit doesn't have enough variability to break up the poses, then it's preferable to have all poses be as neutral and indistinct as possible so they all blend together and the repeats are less noticable.
But you know, that's just like my opinion, man.
Kinda like a uniform? You know, the thing that professional real world military forces wear? That are all... uniform.... and therefore identical?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/11 12:07:17
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Calculating Commissar
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I think this argument has just about run its course. Face it, neither of your sides is going to convince the other, so the only thing that's left is to see which accuses the other's mothers of unnatural acts with garden furniture first.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/11 12:21:02
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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RogueSangre
The Cockatrice Malediction
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chaos0xomega wrote: Abadabadoobaddon wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: Yodhrin wrote: Abadabadoobaddon wrote:-snip-
Faces generally have 2 eyes, a nose, and a mouth. There are subtle differences between individual's faces that make them distinguishable if you look closely. A sea of slightly different faces looks like a crowd. A sea of faces where there are only 5 types and where every face of a given type is identical looks like a clone army. If on top of that, every third face also has an eye patch and pirate hat then it just looks silly.
This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
Flawless and concise, now watch as it's ignored, sidestepped, or gaslit away just like every other argument that's inconvenient.
I mean it works as an arguement for more variety in face options, but when talking about near identical suits of armour?
Identical suits of armor in slightly different poses look like 2 dudes wearing the same suit of armor. Identical suits of armor in exactly the same dynamic walking pose with exactly the same leg and body orientation look like copies. If the kit doesn't have enough variability to break up the poses, then it's preferable to have all poses be as neutral and indistinct as possible so they all blend together and the repeats are less noticable.
But you know, that's just like my opinion, man.
Kinda like a uniform? You know, the thing that professional real world military forces wear? That are all... uniform.... and therefore identical?
If the professional military force is a clone army that also does synchronized dance routines in battle? Then yes, exactly like that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/11 12:22:16
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Barpharanges
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Agamemnon2 wrote:I think this argument has just about run its course. Face it, neither of your sides is going to convince the other, so the only thing that's left is to see which accuses the other's mothers of unnatural acts with garden furniture first.
One of the problems of these threads is that there's practically nothing to discuss for like, weeks - so people can tumble into these huge arguments for pages simply because there is nothing else to talk about.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/11 12:26:35
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Agamemnon2 wrote:I think this argument has just about run its course. Face it, neither of your sides is going to convince the other, so the only thing that's left is to see which accuses the other's mothers of unnatural acts with garden furniture first.
I reckon we can still squeeze a few more pages between now and Thursday by quoting a full page of nested comments just to add a one-line zinger.
What else would anyone click on a HH news thread to read?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/11 14:23:23
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Fixture of Dakka
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Fresh problem, 6th had rule for ruins, 7th didn't, they based it on 7th. Therefore, land raiders on ruin tops.
I made a thread back when 7th edition dropped comparing it to 6th ed's rules. It's relevant again given HH 2.0 seems to have taken the same path as 7th.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/606785.page
But ya, the problem in a nut shell is ruins in this edition are basically difficult terrain, meaning they're not much inconvenience to vehicles or most units really, being they can just melt through walls. But the added problem that vehicles generally aren't slowed by difficult but risk immobilization. So the problem is you're a dozer blade away from having any rhino or land raider pull some rather silly moves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/11 15:08:59
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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Honestly I'm fine with tanks ramming their way through walls.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 02:05:32
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Regular Dakkanaut
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My local store owner thinks the first weekend of the UK summer fiscal quarter. Which would track with most core game releases. So probably July with a two week preorder.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 07:19:06
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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GW starts all new main System Editions with their Launch Boxes in June. July the Starter Sets and from August regulary releases for starter Set Armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 08:37:05
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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9th ed 40k was 25 july for indomitus. Dangerous making assumption for trend from just 1(AOS) release.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 10:30:39
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Here are the big summer release preorder dates for the last few years:
AOS 3rd
June 19th 2021
40k 9th
July 11th 2020
40K Apocalypse
June 29th 2019
AOS 2nd
June 16th 2018
40k 8th
June 3rd 2017
40k 9th edition was the first to be affected by covid and the July date seems be an outlier. As far as I know, GW's fiscal year ends on June 30th so they generally try to get the sales preorders before the end of that month.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 11:43:26
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:chaos0xomega wrote: Abadabadoobaddon wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: Yodhrin wrote: Abadabadoobaddon wrote:-snip-
Faces generally have 2 eyes, a nose, and a mouth. There are subtle differences between individual's faces that make them distinguishable if you look closely. A sea of slightly different faces looks like a crowd. A sea of faces where there are only 5 types and where every face of a given type is identical looks like a clone army. If on top of that, every third face also has an eye patch and pirate hat then it just looks silly.
This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
Flawless and concise, now watch as it's ignored, sidestepped, or gaslit away just like every other argument that's inconvenient.
I mean it works as an arguement for more variety in face options, but when talking about near identical suits of armour?
Identical suits of armor in slightly different poses look like 2 dudes wearing the same suit of armor. Identical suits of armor in exactly the same dynamic walking pose with exactly the same leg and body orientation look like copies. If the kit doesn't have enough variability to break up the poses, then it's preferable to have all poses be as neutral and indistinct as possible so they all blend together and the repeats are less noticable.
But you know, that's just like my opinion, man.
Kinda like a uniform? You know, the thing that professional real world military forces wear? That are all... uniform.... and therefore identical?
If the professional military force is a clone army that also does synchronized dance routines in battle? Then yes, exactly like that.
Have you ever heard of marching and drill?
Automatically Appended Next Post: xttz wrote:Here are the big summer release preorder dates for the last few years:
AOS 3rd
June 19th 2021
40k 9th
July 11th 2020
40K Apocalypse
June 29th 2019
AOS 2nd
June 16th 2018
40k 8th
June 3rd 2017
40k 9th edition was the first to be affected by covid and the July date seems be an outlier. As far as I know, GW's fiscal year ends on June 30th so they generally try to get the sales preorders before the end of that month.
IIRC their fiscal year ends in late May, or at least has for the last few years, but going back farther it was at some point in June. Its not on the same date every year, if you go through the last few financial reports you'll see that they give a different date for each year, it seems to be one of those "4th thursday in May" type affairs or based off of something less fixed than a specific day on the calendar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 12:00:14
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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tneva82 wrote:9th ed 40k was 25 july for indomitus. Dangerous making assumption for trend from just 1(AOS) release.
xttz wrote:Here are the big summer release preorder dates for the last few years:
AOS 3rd
June 19th 2021
40k 9th
July 11th 2020
40K Apocalypse
June 29th 2019
AOS 2nd
June 16th 2018
40k 8th
June 3rd 2017
40k 9th edition was the first to be affected by covid and the July date seems be an outlier. As far as I know, GW's fiscal year ends on June 30th so they generally try to get the sales preorders before the end of that month.
Looks more like dangerous making assumption for a trend from just one 40k release
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 12:24:42
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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chaos0xomega wrote:
IIRC their fiscal year ends in late May, or at least has for the last few years, but going back farther it was at some point in June. Its not on the same date every year, if you go through the last few financial reports you'll see that they give a different date for each year, it seems to be one of those "4th thursday in May" type affairs or based off of something less fixed than a specific day on the calendar.
Yeah you're right, it seems to be the last Sunday in May or first Sunday in June. That's probably to give a clean cut-off point for things like currency exchange rates which may change more on weekdays.
That means they're putting these big releases at the start of the fiscal year, and we might not see HH preorders until June 4th at the earliest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 12:28:27
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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An additional data point is that the Horus Heresy Weekender on 23rd/24th July at Warhammer World is using the current rules & black books.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 12:53:03
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Preparing the Invasion of Terra
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Well, yeah. It's a send off to the current edition of the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 13:24:04
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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RogueSangre
The Cockatrice Malediction
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Is it your contention that GW makes models that are intended to depict a squad where 2 members are marching in synchronicity and the other 8 are standing and shooting? I don't know - is this something that typically happens in combat? If so, then I guess they're perfect - you win.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 14:13:07
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Is it your contention that GW makes models that are intended to depict a squad where 2 members are marching in synchronicity and the other 8 are standing and shooting? I don't know - is this something that typically happens in combat? If so, then I guess they're perfect - you win.
I meean, it depends on what period of time you're discussing. Modern era, not so much. Napoleonic - yes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 15:10:56
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Posts with Authority
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That's called GA 2 in KT21
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 15:15:21
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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The Raven Guard Lay Siege to Fulgrim’s Perfect Fortress in this Free Horus Heresy Mission
PDF Link
RG Deliverer Squad - Cataphractii Terminators
Now we’ve announced the upcoming edition of the Horus Heresy game, players will be pleased to note that all of the Exemplary Battles units we’ve published in this series will have their profiles updated to work with the new rules – stay tuned for more, but rest assured they will remain usable. In fact, they were all written for the new edition and then reverse-engineered to fit the current one – it’s almost like we had a plan all along…
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 15:20:59
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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I was just coming here to post that.
Definitely interesting to see that all of the special units they've been publishing will be in the new rules.
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"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 15:22:55
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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Tannhauser42 wrote:Definitely interesting to see that all of the special units they've been publishing will be in the new rules.
Yeah, but does that mean we're not going to see any new Legion-specific unit models any time soon - will they just be different options from now on?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 15:23:29
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Using Object Source Lighting
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beast_gts wrote:The Raven Guard Lay Siege to Fulgrim’s Perfect Fortress in this Free Horus Heresy Mission
PDF Link
RG Deliverer Squad - Cataphractii Terminators
Now we’ve announced the upcoming edition of the Horus Heresy game, players will be pleased to note that all of the Exemplary Battles units we’ve published in this series will have their profiles updated to work with the new rules – stay tuned for more, but rest assured they will remain usable. In fact, they were all written for the new edition and then reverse-engineered to fit the current one – it’s almost like we had a plan all along…
Yuck. This is some borderline gaslighting, like GW respects the conversions it encouraged and the collections defined by them and always intends continuity? (Looks at the cranky CSM codex thread... Looks at what's getting discontinued in this thread... Looks at...)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/04/12 15:26:38
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Heresy Thursdays - Plastic Mk VI Legion Tactical Squad Pg100
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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So we now have: UM Nemesis Destroyer Squad - Themed Destroyers DG Mortus Poisoner Squad - Themed Destroyers WE Red Hand Destroyer Assault Squad - Themed Destroyers WS Dark Sons of Death Squad - Themed Destroyers IW Dominator Cohort - Themed Terminators (Cataphractii) IF Huscarl Squad - Themed Terminators (Cataphractii) NL Atramentar Squad - Themed Terminators (Tartaros / Contekar?) DA Inner Circle Knights Cenobium (Order of the Broken Claws) - New variant EC Sun Killer Squad - Heavy Weapon / Support Squad RG Deliverer Squad - Themed Terminators (Cataphractii) And are waiting for: Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Iron Hands, Thousand Sons, Sons of Horus, Word Bearers, Salamanders & Alpha Legion. Looking at all the Destroyer units - plastic Destroyers incoming?
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