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Presence of the new tank is cool and the lower profile and rounded turret looks pretty great but these elements juxtapose harshly against the hull that has too many un angled, flat surfaces and shot traps that I can't unsee. A charm found with Space Marine flying vehicles as well, but it ain't for me... I can get past the sponson weapons personally but other more fundamental design choices leave me cold.

 zedmeister wrote:

 warboss wrote:


Are folks gushing about that specifically because of the Emperor's Children lore and/or using it for chaos in 40k? I always liked the little detail on the current tank tracks personally but except for one edition I've been exclusively loyalist (and several flavors of foul xenos!).

It’s down to each 13th (I think it was 13) track being an imperial eagle. This was to represent the 12 high lords and then the thirteenth being the emperor.

That was the Landraider, not the Rhino

Scrub wrote:
Presence of the new tank is cool and the lower profile and rounded turret looks pretty great but these elements juxtapose harshly against the hull that has too many un angled, flat surfaces and shot traps that I can't unsee. A charm found with Space Marine flying vehicles as well, but it ain't for me... I can get past the sponson weapons personally but other more fundamental design choices leave me cold.

It also shares with the flying primaris vehicles the weird too many weapons design choice. Granted here at least there's no absurd like sideways pointing missiles or anything like that but when you look at even the 30k marine super heavies, they're pretty reserved, they're not covered in stubbers and hunter killer missiles ect.

The tanks is ok, the dozer blade makes it look cool but the rules come off like they were a fan's wish list. Not that armour 14 all around or a flare shield are unprecedented things in 30k, but for a 5hp tank, when taken in context with many unnecessary options, which also seem forced like "see we get the 30k design ethos, options, you folks like options, look at all those options!" and its laudable that the weapon options will all seemingly be on sprue and none are hidden away in some resin blister somewhere, but I'm forced to ask why? The battle cannon has 3 firing options, great, I love that, why then all he other options?

A bit like the new options for the spartan, flame instead of twin heavy bolter seems fine, lascannon a bit more of a shrug. No complaints on the rhino, looks great, happy its not covered in stubbers just for the sake of it

 Crablezworth wrote:
A bit like the new options for the spartan, flame instead of twin heavy bolter seems fine, lascannon a bit more of a shrug.

The Spartan could always take flamers, and the 'normal' Land Raiders can currently take Lascannons IIRC.

Keel wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Keel wrote:
I count the same number of pixels from the bottom of the foot to the top of the gorget for both the Mk VI model and the CSM model.

That may be true but they’re in very different poses and the CSM looks much bigger and bulkier to me.

I love the look of the marines. I think the tanks look amazing. However those size comparison shots have just obliterated my enthusiasm. Looks like this’ll be a pass for me.

Spoiler:

How about this shot then?

Looks pretty much identical in size to me.

You're the real MVP here, sir. This pic makes me very happy as the MKVI looks very much in the new CSM size which I was hoping for.


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I did not catch the livestream, and don't see it specifically mentioned in the WarCom article, but do we know if the weapon upgrade sets will be plastic or resin?

ST

beast_gts wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
A bit like the new options for the spartan, flame instead of twin heavy bolter seems fine, lascannon a bit more of a shrug.

The Spartan could always take flamers, and the 'normal' Land Raiders can currently take Lascannons IIRC.

I think the resin spartan only had the twin heavy bolters, it certainly never had twin lascannons,

If you're referring to this thing in 40k... I'm pretty sure we can start to see where gw's design ethos jumped off a building.

Wow. So, it seems that the studded shoulder pads are split on the Mk VI boys. That is horrible TBH. Torso and legs are one single piece, but we already knew that.



Split shoulder pads are stupendously gakky, though.

Missed the stream. Were any release dates mentioned?

Definitely need to start looking for a buyer for this kidney of mine.

Albertorius wrote:Wow. So, it seems that the studded shoulder pads are split on the Mk VI boys. That is horrible TBH. Torso and legs are one single piece, but we already knew that.

Spoiler:

Split shoulder pads are stupendously gakky, though.

This has been known since Zephon was released and is preferable to undercuts.

TalonZahn wrote:Missed the stream. Were any release dates mentioned?

Definitely need to start looking for a buyer for this kidney of mine.

June.

June eh?

Birthday AND Father's Day.

Daddy is gonna get PAID in plastic.

JSG wrote:
This has been known since Zephon was released and is preferable to undercuts.

Maybe to you, on both accounts. Certainly not to me.

Well, there's always printed substitutes for the pads.

 Albertorius wrote:
Wow. So, it seems that the studded shoulder pads are split on the Mk VI boys. That is horrible TBH. Torso and legs are one single piece, but we already knew that.



Split shoulder pads are stupendously gakky, though.

Split shoulder pads is how they get actual studs, not the weird studs that the MkIV kit has where they stretch into the pad.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Wow. So, it seems that the studded shoulder pads are split on the Mk VI boys. That is horrible TBH. Torso and legs are one single piece, but we already knew that.



Split shoulder pads are stupendously gakky, though.

Split shoulder pads is how they get actual studs, not the weird studs that the MkIV kit has where they stretch into the pad.

I'd rather have those than a seam line riiiight down the face of the pad, personally.

And it doesnt matter if you plan to replace them with chapter specific pads.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
And it doesnt matter if you plan to replace them with chapter specific pads.

The studded one? Not usually a thing you personalize by chapter. That would be the other one.

EDIT: ....hm. Does anyone know if the pads are separate from the arms, as they should?

Thank the Emperor I have a solid stock of FW Mk VI resin pauldrons. Not looking forward to spending ages trying to pull off seamless assembly of these halved pauldrons, that's a awful lot of sanding and gap filling for, say, 40 marines!

PS I'm not 100% convinced GW couldn't have pulled off a satisfactory result without having to halve the pauldrons. There is one bit in existence with the bigger pauldrons pad as a single plastic bit, it's the one with the purity seals. I think it looks fine, even if it might still have a slightly undercut feel to it..? I don't remember which plastic kit it's from, its a bit rare, I think I only have like two of those in total in my bits collection..

 tauist wrote:
Thank the Emperor I have a solid stock of FW Mk VI resin pauldrons. Not looking forward to spending ages trying to pull off seamless assembly of these halved pauldrons, that's a awful lot of sanding and gap filling for, say, 40 marines!

PS I'm not 100% convinced GW couldn't have pulled off a satisfactory result without having to halve the pauldrons. There is one bit in existence with the bigger pauldrons pad as a single plastic bit, it's the one with the purity seals. I don't remember which plastic kit it's from, its a bit rare, I think I only have like two of those in total in my bits collection..

I mean, the probably wouldn’t have split it if they could’ve got the same result without splitting it.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Thank the Emperor I have a solid stock of FW Mk VI resin pauldrons. Not looking forward to spending ages trying to pull off seamless assembly of these halved pauldrons, that's a awful lot of sanding and gap filling for, say, 40 marines!

PS I'm not 100% convinced GW couldn't have pulled off a satisfactory result without having to halve the pauldrons. There is one bit in existence with the bigger pauldrons pad as a single plastic bit, it's the one with the purity seals. I don't remember which plastic kit it's from, its a bit rare, I think I only have like two of those in total in my bits collection..

I mean, the probably wouldn’t have split it if they could’ve got the same result without splitting it.

Like I said, you can see a slight difference, but is it really a worthwhile tradeoff for the gap in the middle?

 tauist wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Thank the Emperor I have a solid stock of FW Mk VI resin pauldrons. Not looking forward to spending ages trying to pull off seamless assembly of these halved pauldrons, that's a awful lot of sanding and gap filling for, say, 40 marines!

PS I'm not 100% convinced GW couldn't have pulled off a satisfactory result without having to halve the pauldrons. There is one bit in existence with the bigger pauldrons pad as a single plastic bit, it's the one with the purity seals. I don't remember which plastic kit it's from, its a bit rare, I think I only have like two of those in total in my bits collection..

I mean, the probably wouldn’t have split it if they could’ve got the same result without splitting it.

Like I said, you can see a slight difference, but is it really a worthwhile tradeoff for the gap in the middle?

Here we have an example of where resin can be superior to plastic. Resin shoulder pad can have undercuts and also not have a seam line down the middle.

If they sold packs of 50 studded resin shoulder pads they'd probably be a worthwhile thing to buy if you plan on building an army of these things.

The seam isn't too terrible(still terrible) but prob not as big a deal as some are making.

A little prep w dichloromethane and some Vallejo plastic putty and it shouldn't be an issue.

Realistically is any of that harder/easier than dealing with resin?

dichloromethane

Holy gak, I mean, I'm not the sort who does their airbrushing in a vehicle prep booth in a hazmat suit by any means, but talk about overkill!

These are hard plastic, just a hair extra poly cement and a scrape back will render the seam almost invisible, assuming it's visible enough to be bothered by on dozens of rank and file infantry in the first place.

Racerguy180 wrote:
The seam isn't too terrible(still terrible) but prob not as big a deal as some are making.

A little prep w dichloromethane and some Vallejo plastic putty and it shouldn't be an issue.

Realistically is any of that harder/easier than dealing with resin?

For me? Way easier to just superglue a full replacement. No real issue, I'll just print some.

 Albertorius wrote:
Wow. So, it seems that the studded shoulder pads are split on the Mk VI boys. That is horrible TBH. Torso and legs are one single piece, but we already knew that.

Spoiler:

Split shoulder pads are stupendously gakky, though.

Wow. Yeah. Thats Robotech Tactics level of stupidity in sprue layout from a company whose worst offense IMO to date was empty space on a sprue that could have more bits. Split shoulder pads across the center...I didn't see that coming.

Instead of, I don't know, extra options with the freed space, you get perfect undercuts for studs.

That's a totally fair trade, I'm sure.

The seam down the middle is the reason the studded shoulder pads don’t look like crap. It’s really no problem if you’re using the right kind of glue.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
The seam down the middle is the reason the studded shoulder pads don’t look like crap. It’s really no problem if you’re using the right kind of glue.

I seem to remember hearing the same with the RRT debacle. Turns out, it wasn't really "no problem".

Racerguy180 wrote:
The seam isn't too terrible(still terrible) but prob not as big a deal as some are making.

A little prep w dichloromethane and some Vallejo plastic putty and it shouldn't be an issue.

Realistically is any of that harder/easier than dealing with resin?

I'd say that's way harder than dealing with resin.

The seam is on a exposed curved surface and surrounded by the studs (meaning you aren't going to have 1 angle where your tool will get in there properly).

It depends what standard you're trying to do it to of course... on wargaming models I don't normally bother filling seam lines unless it's truly heinous, on display models I could see myself wasting a lot of time on shoulder pads. Even on wargaming models it creates problems if you're planning on using drybrushing, washing, or contrasts in your scheme, as those techniques will accentuate the seam line and accentuate a poor attempt at filling it. On display models I'll often go back and forth between filling, sanding and priming to get the surface perfect.

So, yeah, would much rather have resin shoulder pads than ones with a seam line. It'll only take a few moments to clean up flash from around the rim of a resin shoulder pad and then it should be perfect.

Is anyone really surprised? It's how they did Dominion Zephons.

 Azreal13 wrote:
These are hard plastic, just a hair extra poly cement and a scrape back will render the seam almost invisible, assuming it's visible enough to be bothered by on dozens of rank and file infantry in the first place.

I've stopped using that as a gap filling method on all but the finest of gaps because I've found a few times gaps that I filled reappeared weeks or months later. It seems random, some models are fine forever, others the gap has reappeared later. Some blokes on fine scale modelling groups said it was because the melted plastic puddle created takes a long time to fully harden back up and in that time sometimes the gap can return.

beast_gts wrote:
Is anyone really surprised? It's how they did Dominion Zephons.

Seeing as I wasn't interested enough on that mini to go see the sprue... yes, absolutely?