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Not sure if it's been stated yet, but do we know if stratagems are a part of Nu-heresy? The reactions appear to be some form of stratagem-lite type thing, which I'm not entirely enthused about. But they look like they can be easily enough ignored if both players are willing.
The inclusion of stratagems though would put a major dampener on my enthusiasm for this though.

 Snrub wrote:
Not sure if it's been stated yet, but do we know if stratagems are a part of Nu-heresy? The reactions appear to be some form of stratagem-lite type thing, which I'm not entirely enthused about. But they look like they can be easily enough ignored if both players are willing.
The inclusion of stratagems though would put a major dampener on my enthusiasm for this though.

no strats aren't. the closest thing seem to be reactions which are MUCH smaller in number

That's the only hope I really have for HH2.0.

NO fething STRATS AND THE PROLIFERATION THEREOF!!!!!

BrianDavion wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Not sure if it's been stated yet, but do we know if stratagems are a part of Nu-heresy? The reactions appear to be some form of stratagem-lite type thing, which I'm not entirely enthused about. But they look like they can be easily enough ignored if both players are willing.
The inclusion of stratagems though would put a major dampener on my enthusiasm for this though.

no strats aren't. the closest thing seem to be reactions which are MUCH smaller in number

…for now.

How to Paint: Horus Heresy Emperor's Children

beast_gts wrote:
How to Paint: Horus Heresy Emperor's Children

Spoiler:

Seems like a terrible way of painting that. Leadbelcher has good coverage, so it doesn't make sense to prime in it unless it's the dominant colour, metals are also on the gloss side so paint doesn't stick to them as well as it would a matte primer, better off priming something that forms a better base for the purple. Then painting it purple and also adding a purple contrast doesn't add much contrast for the effort being put into it.

So 3 coats of paint of something that barely looks better than grabbing a can of Dioxazine Purple from Liquitex and giving it a squirt.

At the rate they're going, I reckon pre-order around the 4th June

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
How to Paint: Horus Heresy Emperor's Children

Spoiler:

Seems like a terrible way of painting that. Leadbelcher has good coverage, so it doesn't make sense to prime in it unless it's the dominant colour, metals are also on the gloss side so paint doesn't stick to them as well as it would a matte primer, better off priming something that forms a better base for the purple. Then painting it purple and also adding a purple contrast doesn't add much contrast for the effort being put into it.

So 3 coats of paint of something that barely looks better than grabbing a can of Dioxazine Purple from Liquitex and giving it a squirt.

With a Leadbelcher undercoat I would have expected a Contrast color for the armour to give it a metallic quality.

Leadbelcher spray is pretty flat. Not the shiniest stuff in the world.

Wow, off to a terrible start with the first two of these painting videos. Do *something* to give them a bit of visual interest like a squad marking or whatever

 zedmeister wrote:
At the rate they're going, I reckon pre-order around the 4th June

There's at least one rumour of 28th May with a two-week lead (so on-shelves 11th June).

Well they really were a pair of lacklustre tutorials. Doesn't bode well for the next 16.


I'm liking the Hexagrammaton rules previewed so far. For as basic as it is, the 1+ to hit for Stormwing I find quite appealing. Maybe that's just because I want to run massed tac squads though. Here's hoping they give the 1st Legion rules to up the potency of their plasma.

The free painting tutorials have always been aimed at lowering the bar to entry by showing easy table top ready standards, not really pushing the bar. It's why they moved away from the "parade ready" style guides and focus on simpler techniques. They're basically just painting 101 to help people get started.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Leadbelcher spray is pretty flat. Not the shiniest stuff in the world.

Really? Out of the pot leadbelcher is pretty glossy, would be odd if the rattle can version isn't. I have a rattle can of it kicking around somewhere but I haven't fired it in anger yet (that KT Octarius terrain is still waiting for me, lol).

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The free painting tutorials have always been aimed at lowering the bar to entry by showing easy table top ready standards, not really pushing the bar. It's why they moved away from the "parade ready" style guides and focus on simpler techniques. They're basically just painting 101 to help people get started.

The problem I have with these specific tutorials (and many other GW ones) is not only are they not pushing the bar, they are painting to a basic level in a very time consuming way. Spray leadbelcher (even though the majority of the model is purple), lay down a coat of purple... lay down another coat of purple because leadbelcher is a bad base for purple... then do a layer of purple contrast which is so close to the original purple that it barely adds any shading / contrast to the model.

It's just a dumb way to paint, I know GW don't sell a purple spray, but damn, just go out and buy a purple spray from liquitex or vallejo or army painter or tamiya or whoever and save yourself many hours applying coat after coat to 50 models just to achieve a boring dark purple tone. Then if you want to follow it up with a purple contrast paint use as lighter purple as your basecoat so it at least creates some contrast, or maybe try a purple ink instead.

I think when it comes to "basic painting for beginners" there's much better approaches that won't have beginners tearing their eyes out after hour upon hour staring at the same pot of purple paint that they've just (no exaggeration) applied for the 100th time.

Even if you don't want to go down the spray can route, maybe apply the purple with a stippling brush ala artis opus style so it lays down faster and creates some natural shading in one coat.

I'd argue these are a cut above the usual TBF. Chipping, using Contrast as shades, and using the gem paint for the lenses? The lack of edge highlighting is nice.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Leadbelcher spray is pretty flat. Not the shiniest stuff in the world.

Really? Out of the pot leadbelcher is pretty glossy, would be odd if the rattle can version isn't. I have a rattle can of it kicking around somewhere but I haven't fired it in anger yet (that KT Octarius terrain is still waiting for me, lol).

A lot of the GW sprays aren't a 100% match for the pot colours, and it varies by batch. Leadbelcher & Zandri Dust are the worst for it IMHO.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
no strats aren't. the closest thing seem to be reactions which are MUCH smaller in number

…for now.

Yeah didn't 8th start with just a few generics? I could really easily see this bloating in expansions if there's demand for HH and the designers want some space to make more rules by just adding more and more layers that sometimes add depth and sometimes just add to the pile.

The Dark Angels Tutorial was absolute okay.

That Emperors Children one with the Metallic Basecoat was alienating, also the Violet is too dark but I like the finish with the lack of edge highliting and the chipping armour.

Rules bloat is inevitable; got to sell those books somehow, the rainforests aren't going to deplete themselves. Even with the looming threat of that it'll be cool to have a mainline Games Workshop game that is kind of starting from scratch in that regard, not building on the gakky foundation of 9th ed.

With Andy Hoare leading the HH team I don't expect it to bloat in the same way the new blood 40k team has been taking 40k, but time Will tell.

Legions of the Horus Heresy – No-one’s Perfect Except the Emperor’s Children

I'll be honest: my only take away from that article was wondering how someone who is like 9' tall manage to look like a twink.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
With Andy Hoare leading the HH team I don't expect it to bloat in the same way the new blood 40k team has been taking 40k, but time Will tell.

Does he lead the current necromunda edition?

I liked the "friendship ended with Mudasir" reference.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
With Andy Hoare leading the HH team I don't expect it to bloat in the same way the new blood 40k team has been taking 40k, but time Will tell.

Oh you sweet summer child

 Snrub wrote:
Not sure if it's been stated yet, but do we know if stratagems are a part of Nu-heresy? The reactions appear to be some form of stratagem-lite type thing, which I'm not entirely enthused about.

Interesting to see that perspective - the Reactions leaked from Playtest Phase 3 document are the majority of the reason I am buying into HH2.

I thought they were going to preview the legions in order? They skipped over the second!

Anyway, nice to see that the EC's special rules give them something other than just a bonus to assaults.

beast_gts wrote:
Legions of the Horus Heresy – No-one’s Perfect Except the Emperor’s Children

Spoiler:

I love how they have written this!

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Really? Out of the pot leadbelcher is pretty glossy, would be odd if the rattle can version isn't. I have a rattle can of it kicking around somewhere but I haven't fired it in anger yet (that KT Octarius terrain is still waiting for me, lol).

I was as surprised as anyone, but yeah it was very flat. I had to go over the buildings with regular leadbelcher to get it looking right. You can see a bit of it here. The darker bits on the roof is the spray colour.

privateer4hire wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
With Andy Hoare leading the HH team I don't expect it to bloat in the same way the new blood 40k team has been taking 40k, but time Will tell.

Does he lead the current necromunda edition?

I don't know honestly. I don't recall him on the dev video for Necromunda, so maybe not.

lord_blackfang wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
With Andy Hoare leading the HH team I don't expect it to bloat in the same way the new blood 40k team has been taking 40k, but time Will tell.

Oh you sweet summer child

I said "expect" and "same way as the 40k team". I'm not saying we can't or won't see any bloat, just that if they have any bloat it'll be milder than the 40k version.