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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Looks like we are getting Legion specific Bonces and Badges, albeit in Resin.

Imperial Fists are first out the gate, with more to follow.

Any bets on them costing more than the current upgrade kits from GW or FW?

Given I’ve no idea the current price of either? Not from me!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Looks like we are getting Legion specific Bonces and Badges, albeit in Resin.

Imperial Fists are first out the gate, with more to follow.

Should we start a pool on how much these will cost? Only ten heads or pads in a blister, would GW charge more or less than $1 a head/pad?

Resin head + pad will for sure cost more than the plastic body.

Why waste everyone's time with resin upgrades when they make plastic minis for store openings and all sorts of other one off nonsense? Quick! I need a new Drekki Flynt model stat!

Awesome! Seems like we will be getting resin heads and chapter symbols for the beakies very soon after the release.

I wonder if my old plastic 40K plastic Mk VI shoulderpads will match in size with these ones.. Would be great if they did as that'd give me yet another new option.

These legion specific MkVI heads dont look anything like MkVI helmets though.. but I suppose that makes HH enthusiasts stomach the MkVI armour choice better.

 Albertorius wrote:
In my IWs I currently have marks II to V in various numbers.

I might paint some beakies for them, but I'm not sure I like how they look, and I want to do a RT Battle for the Farm set, so...

Do it and call them recon marines. That armor mark for the IW would fit the role and its a cheap troop choice that would allow you to get ahead of your enemy. Also at some point, I'm sure they will make them jump troops too and you can tell the story that they needed to use lighter armor to get their troops ahead. That or just replace the heads with IW heads. You can still use the models to represent something in your army. Personally, I'm using them as my specialist units - Heavy Weapons, Special Weapons, and Recon. All of my Tactical units and special units are Mk3 & 4.

These could be useful elsewhere. Blood Angel, Ultramarine and Thousand Sons HH heads can look good on many model types - not just HH Marines - and if there's a strong set of heads that I can use to replace Primaris helmets, then all the better.

It depends on which GW ones you mean.
The Primaris upgrades (which work fine on Firstborn btw) are £16 for 12 tactical pads, 6 aggressor pads, 6 heads, 2 guns/4 CCW, and 10 gubbins.
The older Marine upgrades are £9.50 for an average of 10 pads, 4 heads, 1 torso and 2 weapons.
The FW pads kits are £14.50 for 10 pads.
FW has always been more expensive for less stuff.

Not really an exciting or interesting release IMO. I think we all knew upgrade packs were coming but this is a bit dry and honestly it being in resin means the cost will be pretty high.

I would've much preferred something closer to the Primaris upgrades - which are really quite nice little kits. While of course, you wouldn't get enough heads for each miniature, I would prefer a unique power fist or power weapon sculpt, a few more ornate shoulder pads, heads and some accessories over ten kinda bland heads?

 blood reaper wrote:
Not really an exciting or interesting release IMO. I think we all knew upgrade packs were coming but this is a bit dry and honestly it being in resin means the cost will be pretty high.

I would've much preferred something closer to the Primaris upgrades - which are really quite nice little kits. While of course, you wouldn't get enough heads for each miniature, I would prefer a unique power fist or power weapon sculpt, a few more ornate shoulder pads, heads and some accessories over ten kinda bland heads?

They could have done a BT style upgrade set for each legion and they would have outsold most of the side games. There's really no excuse for resin. Maybe Roundtree's nephew mixes it or something.

I think it's strange that these are (apparently) MkVI helmets; but the only illustration of one of them is on MkIII...

JSG wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Not really an exciting or interesting release IMO. I think we all knew upgrade packs were coming but this is a bit dry and honestly it being in resin means the cost will be pretty high.

I would've much preferred something closer to the Primaris upgrades - which are really quite nice little kits. While of course, you wouldn't get enough heads for each miniature, I would prefer a unique power fist or power weapon sculpt, a few more ornate shoulder pads, heads and some accessories over ten kinda bland heads?

They could have done a BT style upgrade set for each legion and they would have outsold most of the side games. There's really no excuse for resin. Maybe Roundtree's nephew mixes it or something.

The question is - are these being sold through GW stores?

I dunno, I ultimately am not too bothered by this - I buy upgrades individually via eBay on occasion but rarely go for whole packs.

 blood reaper wrote:
Not really an exciting or interesting release IMO.

Wait until the 12th Legion arrives. Looking forward to those.

So to properly* kit out a marine you'll need to buy a box of marines, a box of weapons, a blister of heads, and a blister of shoulder pads?

Feels like they're nickel and diming this release.

Really bummed out that they're using resin for these. I was hoping, perhaps naively, that we'd see something on the order of the upgrade pack that came with the Black Templar's release wave for each legion. 20 helmets, 20 shoulders, and a smattering of special weapons and decorative bobs in plastic to give the units a unique look. There'd probably be good crossover for these into the 40K playerbase, where they could be positioned as "relics."

Huge whiff, IMHO.

* Yes, yes, you can obviously run an army entirely comprised of beakie, bolter only troops and apply the transfers.

I for one am chuffed the bonces aren’t legion specific Just Beaky With A Symbol, but seemingly (if a sample of 1 from 18 is in fact a sample? I mean it’s objectively not, but run with me here!) a bit more visually distinct and therefore interesting.

Certainly something I’ll consider for special units, such as Legion Veteran Squads, if not for all Power Armour Squads.

Pads are more of a near must-have, because I prefer sculpted to transferred detail

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Not really an exciting or interesting release IMO.

Wait until the 12th Legion arrives. Looking forward to those.

My hope for the WE is some kind of Chain Axe plastic upgrade pack but uh, I would NOT put it past GW to make those resin and charge like £15 for 10 of them.

Of course, they can't stop me from acquiring them from less costly sources.

 blood reaper wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Not really an exciting or interesting release IMO.

Wait until the 12th Legion arrives. Looking forward to those.

My hope for the WE is some kind of Chain Axe plastic upgrade pack but uh, I would NOT put it past GW to make those resin and charge like £15 for 10 of them.

Of course, they can't stop me from acquiring them from less costly sources.

This is an interesting question overall.

We know for certain we’ll be seeing plakky weapon upgrades. But all we know is that those are kind of generic, Legion agnostic shooters.

I fully expect to see Legionnaire Assault Squad Kits, and I suspect we’ll see similar plakky upgrade options.

But, Legion Specific/Limited shooters and whackers? I guess, and only guess, that might boil down to how prevalent they are in the army list. If World Eaters can field significant numbers of Chain Axe equipped Assault Troops, I’d hope for plastic. But if they’re less widespread in their Codex List Equivalent? Arguably more likely resin.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Not really an exciting or interesting release IMO.

Wait until the 12th Legion arrives. Looking forward to those.

My hope for the WE is some kind of Chain Axe plastic upgrade pack but uh, I would NOT put it past GW to make those resin and charge like £15 for 10 of them.

Of course, they can't stop me from acquiring them from less costly sources.

This is an interesting question overall.

We know for certain we’ll be seeing plakky weapon upgrades. But all we know is that those are kind of generic, Legion agnostic shooters.

I fully expect to see Legionnaire Assault Squad Kits, and I suspect we’ll see similar plakky upgrade options.

But, Legion Specific/Limited shooters and whackers? I guess, and only guess, that might boil down to how prevalent they are in the army list. If World Eaters can field significant numbers of Chain Axe equipped Assault Troops, I’d hope for plastic. But if they’re less widespread in their Codex List Equivalent? Arguably more likely resin.

I mean I have the leaked play test document and, like with the previous edition, all WEs can take Chain Axes (this document has matched up 1 to 1 with every piece of info GW has released so far). So like, as a WE, you are notionally going to be taking a lot of chain axes.

I’d suspect plastic then.

That. Being. Said.

I’m going to put on my cynical hat for a moment. Please excuse the dust as it doesn’t often get an outing…..

HH has been predominantly resin since pretty much Forever. And it’s clearly done more than well enough to earn a proper plastic upgrade and relaunch.

We the players (and potential players) may yet be starry eyed that the plastic stuff is more affordable (and in a superior material for my money), and so be ripe for higher priced resin upgrades.

For instance. I might baulk at paying (checks Forgeworld for some semblance of accuracy) £45 for 5 Jump Pack Assault Marines in a material I loathe working with, but look more favourably on paying say, number out my arse…£40 for 10 in plastic, then paying £30+ for Legion lids and pads and weapons etc - because I’m still stoked I’ve paid less for more base models in a subjectively better material in the first place, and not really think too hard about the cost of the upgrades.

Oh man this Cynical Hat is most definitely a fashion faux pas for me!

Imperial Fists as the first upgrade kit sounds sensible, again coinciding with the RTB-01 celebrations. "Battle At The Farm" was Crimson Fists vs Orks, right? The IF shoulderpad will be perfect for that.

 flaherty wrote:
So to properly* kit out a marine you'll need to buy a box of marines, a box of weapons, a blister of heads, and a blister of shoulder pads?

Feels like they're nickel and diming this release.

Really bummed out that they're using resin for these. I was hoping, perhaps naively, that we'd see something on the order of the upgrade pack that came with the Black Templar's release wave for each legion. 20 helmets, 20 shoulders, and a smattering of special weapons and decorative bobs in plastic to give the units a unique look. There'd probably be good crossover for these into the 40K playerbase, where they could be positioned as "relics."

Huge whiff, IMHO.

* Yes, yes, you can obviously run an army entirely comprised of beakie, bolter only troops and apply the transfers.

Legion Tacticals can't take special weapons, only Veterans and Support squads can. So the MkVI box is actually representative of a Legion Tactical squad rather than a 40k Tactical squad.
Previously special and heavy weapons were only available in packs of 10 from FW as well. These new boxes are far better value before we've even seen the price.
As for iconography, this is exactly the same as every other Space Marine unit, sculpted pads or gubbins have always been separate from the generic units.

I was much more excited for the upgrade heads, until I saw they were resin. They look very nice, but eh.

 flaherty wrote:
So to properly* kit out a marine you'll need to buy a box of marines, a box of weapons, a blister of heads, and a blister of shoulder pads?

The helmets and shoulder pads are optional to help bling out your favorite Sergeants and HQs. I'm all for hating GW but this was a lame complaint on your end.

Remember that for each legion specific kit/pack for heresy, they have to multiply production by 18 and divide the target audience by the same.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Remember that for each legion specific kit/pack for heresy, they have to multiply production by 18 and divide the target audience by the same.

Same as with any other SM upgrade sprue ever, right. And all these are compatible with any regular 40k marine, too, so...

Typically boilerplate set of rules in the blood angels preview, +1 to wound on the charge and access to inferno pistols, yaaaay. Meanwhile Dark angels get all this hexagrammamammaton bs

Billicus wrote:
Typically boilerplate set of rules in the blood angels preview, +1 to wound on the charge and access to inferno pistols, yaaaay. Meanwhile Dark angels get all this hexagrammamammaton bs

It isn't a full rules preview. Did you not notice that the Dark Angels didn't get a Legion Trait or the Blood Angels their unique Reaction or Warlord trait?

I'm pretty sure it isn't the first time that style of complaint has come up about one of these preview articles - possibly from the same user?

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 flaherty wrote:
So to properly* kit out a marine you'll need to buy a box of marines, a box of weapons, a blister of heads, and a blister of shoulder pads?

The helmets and shoulder pads are optional to help bling out your favorite Sergeants and HQs. I'm all for hating GW but this was a lame complaint on your end.

Perhaps, I just find the impulse to white knight retrograde products baffling.

An Imperial Fist *successor chapter* got a superior plastic kit within the last twelve months that had ten plastic heads and 19 shoulder pads, weapons, vehicle upgrades, and various pieces to bling out units. These resin upgrades, even if used sparingly, will cost more, be of lower quality, and provide fewer options. For goodness sakes, House Cawdor and the rest of the Necromunda gangs got plastic upgrade kits. If GW intends, as some believe, that HH is going to be a new "third system" then launching it with accessories of lower quality than one of their specialist games seems weird.

Seriously, is any Space Marine legion likely to sell fewer upgrade packs than House Van Saar from Necromunda? It strikes me as implausible, especially with the most minor effort they could be sold to 40K players.