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2022/05/28 16:09:56
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Billicus wrote:
My bad, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were making a reasonable point, not just being awkward - assumed your point was to do with his practicality as a gaming piece, not that he should be "the best evar because he's unbeatable". Anyway, there's no suggestion that a big E model is coming, so we don't need to worry about it either way, "chief".
There was that one time he was almost strangled to death by an Ork.
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2022/05/28 16:24:10
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Did the diorama come before or after the artwork depicting that some moment?
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2022/05/28 16:26:36
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Coolyo294 wrote:Very sad to see Iron Warriors officially lose all of their special characters save Perturabo and havocs.
Tyrant Terminators were still there.
Also looks like all Terminators have W2. Good change.
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2022/05/28 16:34:26
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Araqiel
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Coolyo294 wrote:Very sad to see Iron Warriors officially lose all of their special characters save Perturabo and havocs.
It's okay, you guys now have arguably the most under-costed terminators in the game.
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2022/05/28 16:38:23
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Diorama is based on the B&W version, then Adrian Smith did one in colour after the diorama. B&W looks like maybe Ian Miller but idk.
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2022/05/28 16:43:29
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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jojo_monkey_boy wrote: Coolyo294 wrote:Very sad to see Iron Warriors officially lose all of their special characters save Perturabo and havocs.
It's okay, you guys now have arguably the most under-costed terminators in the game.
Well, it's always nice to feel you don't matter. Very appropiate for the Iron Warrior's treatment by the Imperium
Honestly, I don't even care that much except for the tyrants because they have a special payload, but even if they deleted havocs I could have still fielded them as something.
As for the special characters, I play loyalist, so...
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2022/05/28 16:44:18
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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The black and white one is compositionally and thematically superior.
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2022/05/28 17:22:59
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: Gert wrote:Yeah, I remember that and I did wonder how FW would even make it work. He's more powerful than all the Primarchs, and when Magnus came out he was insanely good. So the Emperor would have to be either really expensive or toned down to a point where He wasn't represented well. Either way a generally unusable unit especially considering Custodes are already a very pricey army list.
How many points are the Primarchs? Do they often get used in regular (non-narrative) games?
I've never played a game of HH, I always assumed the Primarchs were too powerful for a regular game anyway, and were mostly there as display pieces, let alone the Emp.
Though I'd like to see the Emp even if he is just a display piece.... unless they mess him up in a disappointing way in which case I'd rather they don't do him
Primarchs are just very powerful special characters. All of them come with several USRs considered as default perks. Upon that they receive a few more which make them special. Do you want Mephiston running around in every 40K skirmish battle? Probably not. Same applies for the Primarchs. They better spend their time sitting in their office contemplating about daddy issues.
Emperor shouldn´t be represented on the field but GW will probably do him anyway. He is somewhat akin to Nagash which means too powerful to be playable. Should the Emperor really make it to the tabletop he will be nerfed to the ground just to give the opponent a chance to beat him.
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2022/05/28 17:26:06
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Strg Alt wrote:
Emperor shouldn´t be represented on the field but GW will probably do him anyway. He is somewhat akin to Nagash which means too powerful to be playable. Should the Emperor really make it to the tabletop he will be nerfed to the ground just to give the opponent a chance to beat him.
I hope so! If he cannot lose to an ork warboss it's not lore appropriate!
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2022/05/28 17:29:26
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Dakka Veteran
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JWBS wrote:
Diorama is based on the B&W version, then Adrian Smith did one in colour after the diorama. B&W looks like maybe Ian Miller but idk.
They're both by Adrian Smith. His earlier stuff is mostly (maybe all?) tight pencil work.
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2022/05/28 17:32:44
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Crimson wrote:The black and white one is compositionally and thematically superior.
Couldn't agree more
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2022/05/28 17:45:41
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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the emperor and horus ascended will be statted as space marine captains, but have a special rule that no model other then horus or the emperor can actually hurt them. You read it here first!
joking aside I'd be shocked if they didn't when approperate, provide deamon primarch stats for morty magnus and angron and use the GW plastic minis
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2022/05/28 17:54:20
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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BrianDavion wrote:
joking aside I'd be shocked if they didn't when approperate, provide deamon primarch stats for morty magnus and angron and use the GW plastic minis
That would make sense, but GW isn't known for making too much sense to begin with.
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2022/05/28 18:12:45
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Araqiel
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Albertorius wrote:Well, it's always nice to feel you don't matter. Very appropiate for the Iron Warrior's treatment by the Imperium
Honestly, I don't even care that much except for the tyrants because they have a special payload, but even if they deleted havocs I could have still fielded them as something.
As for the special characters, I play loyalist, so...
You're not the only legion being hit by the no-models-no-rules beat-stick. I collect salamanders. We lost every special character excluding vulkan. Including one that actually did have a model.
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2022/05/28 18:22:09
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Gert wrote:Not sure what the snark is for. We're talking about the dude who could destroy Gargants singe handedly, who powered the Aegis Shield on Terra for months and still had enough power left over to unmake a Pantheon empowered Horus.
Well fluffwise primarch should be unplayable in 30k game scale being unbeatable warp monsters so...
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2022/05/28 19:35:49
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
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Billicus wrote:My bad, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were making a reasonable point, not just being awkward - assumed your point was to do with his practicality as a gaming piece, not that he should be "the best evar because he's unbeatable". Anyway, there's no suggestion that a big E model is coming, so we don't need to worry about it either way, "chief".
I mean, there is lol. He's actually got a rule associated with him in 1st edition. It's mentioned that if you take Jenetia Krole she has to be your warlord, unless you take Valdor who has to be your warlord, unless you take the Emperor in which case he has to be your warlord.
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2022/05/28 20:10:19
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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Crimson wrote:The black and white one is compositionally and thematically superior.
This B&W one?
Same artist did this one:
That said I don't think anyone is pushing this one as the best:
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2022/05/28 21:44:25
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I actually like the third one more. Encompasses how dangerous and dire the situation is vs the second one that us, while epic in its own right, is more religious in connotation and makes sense as more, well, artwork I guess?
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2022/05/28 21:48:59
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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EviscerationPlague wrote:I actually like the third one more. Encompasses how dangerous and dire the situation is vs the second one that us, while epic in its own right, is more religious in connotation and makes sense as more, well, artwork I guess?
I guess it just bothers me because the Emperor looks like he's dancing.
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2022/05/28 22:53:10
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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ClockworkZion wrote:EviscerationPlague wrote:I actually like the third one more. Encompasses how dangerous and dire the situation is vs the second one that us, while epic in its own right, is more religious in connotation and makes sense as more, well, artwork I guess?
I guess it just bothers me because the Emperor looks like he's dancing.
dancing and martial arts are closer related then you might think.
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2022/05/28 23:39:37
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Yes. It has foreboding tone. The Emperor is leaning forwards, stepping towards Horus who looms menacingly above him, their eyes locked. Emperor's sword is raised and it intersect the picture in in and angle towards Horus. Black empty space behind them in the middle of the picture frames them effectively. The newer one has of course more detail, but compositionally it is much weaker; Emperor in particular just seems to be posing.
And the third one just is a bit of a mess.
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2022/05/28 23:46:15
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Preparing the Invasion of Terra
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tneva82 wrote:
Well fluffwise primarch should be unplayable in 30k game scale being unbeatable warp monsters so...
The Primarchs aren't Warp monsters in HH and the ones that are in 40k have the weakness of not being mortal anymore and can be banished from the material plane for hundreds of years.
In the Heresy and Scouring alone Super Horus, Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, Vulkan, Alpharius and Curze all die (multiple times in Vulkans case). Russ, regular Horus and the Khan all nearly die as well and Magnus comes pretty close when Russ shatters his soul.
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2022/05/29 00:25:29
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Khorne Rhino Driver with Destroyer
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I miss the days when not only did Horus have two lightning claws, but they were so rare that he was the only person to have two of them. That mace is lame.
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2022/05/29 07:17:40
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Calculating Commissar
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Bob Lorgar wrote:I miss the days when not only did Horus have two lightning claws, but they were so rare that he was the only person to have two of them. That mace is lame.
That'd be a very, very long time ago, then. Close combat terminators were depicted with lightning claws all the way back in the 1991 catalogue (the first metal termies with the scalloped edges to their shoulder pads). Indeed, they were the only unit in the game that could take them in 2nd edition, and only in pairs.
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2022/05/29 07:31:55
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Gert wrote:The Primarchs aren't Warp monsters in HH and the ones that are in 40k have the weakness of not being mortal anymore and can be banished from the material plane for hundreds of years.
In the Heresy and Scouring alone Super Horus, Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, Vulkan, Alpharius and Curze all die (multiple times in Vulkans case). Russ, regular Horus and the Khan all nearly die as well and Magnus comes pretty close when Russ shatters his soul.
Well yes ... but don't they die to each other? I'm not sure what that proves about their power level relative to other entities.
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2022/05/29 08:45:16
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Fixture of Dakka
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crumby_cataphract wrote: Gert wrote:The Primarchs aren't Warp monsters in HH and the ones that are in 40k have the weakness of not being mortal anymore and can be banished from the material plane for hundreds of years.
In the Heresy and Scouring alone Super Horus, Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, Vulkan, Alpharius and Curze all die (multiple times in Vulkans case). Russ, regular Horus and the Khan all nearly die as well and Magnus comes pretty close when Russ shatters his soul.
Well yes ... but don't they die to each other? I'm not sure what that proves about their power level relative to other entities.
Not all of them - Curze dies (as far as we know) to a Callidus Assassin.
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Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
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2022/05/29 10:35:34
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Gert wrote:tneva82 wrote:
Well fluffwise primarch should be unplayable in 30k game scale being unbeatable warp monsters so...
The Primarchs aren't Warp monsters in HH and the ones that are in 40k have the weakness of not being mortal anymore and can be banished from the material plane for hundreds of years.
In the Heresy and Scouring alone Super Horus, Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, Vulkan, Alpharius and Curze all die (multiple times in Vulkans case). Russ, regular Horus and the Khan all nearly die as well and Magnus comes pretty close when Russ shatters his soul.
Eh primarch were created with warp power from the get-go...they always were warp monsters. They got power up from warp thanks to deal emperor made.
Fluffwise nothing short of primarch or equilavent should be able to take one down. Certainly not random squad of marines.
And funny you mention list of primarch killing primarch plus primarch doing suicide. You arb proving my point. Primarch already are on level of shouldn't be in game if you want them to be fluff truthful without literally having rule "may not be killed except by primarch and emperor" while being able to take out anything(including warlord titan. Happened in fluff".
They aren't just super strong humans. Warp flew through them from the start.
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Dysartes wrote: crumby_cataphract wrote: Gert wrote:The Primarchs aren't Warp monsters in HH and the ones that are in 40k have the weakness of not being mortal anymore and can be banished from the material plane for hundreds of years.
In the Heresy and Scouring alone Super Horus, Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, Vulkan, Alpharius and Curze all die (multiple times in Vulkans case). Russ, regular Horus and the Khan all nearly die as well and Magnus comes pretty close when Russ shatters his soul.
Well yes ... but don't they die to each other? I'm not sure what that proves about their power level relative to other entities.
Not all of them - Curze dies (as far as we know) to a Callidus Assassin.
Yea letting yourself be killed is such an awesome feat for assasin eh? Curze wasn't beaten by assasin. He let assasin kill him.
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2022/05/29 10:43:28
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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tneva82 wrote: Gert wrote:tneva82 wrote:
Well fluffwise primarch should be unplayable in 30k game scale being unbeatable warp monsters so...
The Primarchs aren't Warp monsters in HH and the ones that are in 40k have the weakness of not being mortal anymore and can be banished from the material plane for hundreds of years.
In the Heresy and Scouring alone Super Horus, Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, Vulkan, Alpharius and Curze all die (multiple times in Vulkans case). Russ, regular Horus and the Khan all nearly die as well and Magnus comes pretty close when Russ shatters his soul.
Eh primarch were created with warp power from the get-go...they always were warp monsters. They got power up from warp thanks to deal emperor made.
Allegedly. According to the being whispering in Magnus’s ear. Because it’s totally impossible that a being 80,000 years old could have just figured some of that rune stuff out on his own.
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2022/05/29 11:04:59
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Crimson wrote:
Yes. It has foreboding tone. The Emperor is leaning forwards, stepping towards Horus who looms menacingly above him, their eyes locked. Emperor's sword is raised and it intersect the picture in in and angle towards Horus. Black empty space behind them in the middle of the picture frames them effectively.
Too bad it kind of looks awfull all over.
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2022/05/29 11:10:58
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
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I like the third bit of artwork specifically because of Sanguinius. He's just flat on his face, dead, in the background. It's so weirdly undignified and lacking in any drama, unlike the other two.
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