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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Yeah as a Salamander fan, they are so underwhelming. Their Legion rules are so weak in comparison to others. Almost as if they are a constant afterthought
How exactly is -1 to wound from four different weapon types and a 6+ it will not die "weak" I swear sometimes I think players just cry about everything because it's not OP as heck.
It's weak when you compare it to things like -1 to be wounded in the first round of combat or a flat +1 initiative when you assault. Those have universal application except for units you don't want in combat. What if you're salamanders and you fight an army focused almost entirely on melee? Your rule is pretty much worthless.
The IWND is only for multi wound models, which will be nice for dreads.
Should make a terminator heavy army pretty fun as well, since they're 2W now.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Yeah as a Salamander fan, they are so underwhelming. Their Legion rules are so weak in comparison to others. Almost as if they are a constant afterthought
How exactly is -1 to wound from four different weapon types and a 6+ it will not die "weak" I swear sometimes I think players just cry about everything because it's not OP as heck.
It's weak when you compare it to things like -1 to be wounded in the first round of combat or a flat +1 initiative when you assault. Those have universal application except for units you don't want in combat. What if you're salamanders and you fight an army focused almost entirely on melee? Your rule is pretty much worthless.
The IWND is only for multi wound models, which will be nice for dreads.
Should make a terminator heavy army pretty fun as well, since they're 2W now.
IWND is pretty bad on squads of troops. Once a model is reduced to zero wounds you remove it from the table, so no IWND roll. And wounds are allocated incrementally to wounded models.
Asked my FLGS to get me the big box, the books, the special weapons, and the heavy weapons. Don’t care about that tank.
I play at HH at Adepticon, and I can’t wait for the new rules. Reactions will take a bit to get used to, but my Imperial Fists and Sons of Horus will be grateful for the new recruits!
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Yeah as a Salamander fan, they are so underwhelming. Their Legion rules are so weak in comparison to others. Almost as if they are a constant afterthought
How exactly is -1 to wound from four different weapon types and a 6+ it will not die "weak" I swear sometimes I think players just cry about everything because it's not OP as heck.
It's weak when you compare it to things like -1 to be wounded in the first round of combat or a flat +1 initiative when you assault. Those have universal application except for units you don't want in combat. What if you're salamanders and you fight an army focused almost entirely on melee? Your rule is pretty much worthless.
The IWND is only for multi wound models, which will be nice for dreads.
Should make a terminator heavy army pretty fun as well, since they're 2W now.
IWND is pretty bad on squads of troops. Once a model is reduced to zero wounds you remove it from the table, so no IWND roll. And wounds are allocated incrementally to wounded models.
Wounded models in range and LoS, so you can do some weird juggling with LoS (and sometimes range) to spread damage around your squad and really make use of it.
Rules that encourage extremely weird gamey behavior are good, right?
Yknow.
For a along time i was saying that what Horus Heresy needed was new rules and plastic miniatures as a shot in the arm
I find it funny that alot of HH players i knew pooppeed that and got mad.
Tunrs out i was right, new plastic was exactly what the game needed and better rules.
Tyel wrote: I think there's just something irksome about high prices for a bunch of weapons. Sure, Forgeworld may have previously demanded a kidney - but still.
With other things you can imagine you are paying for design, marketing, just the whole uniqueness of the model being good. Whereas say 10 identical autocannons? Its hard not to feel I'm paying for anything but the plastic, which cost pennies.
I think its a fair point that you can just buy a couple of boxes and then equip a large number of Marines if that's what you want to do (assuming you use all the weapons in the box) - so the overall cost isn't that bad. But still.
I agree with that. There's very little effort on GW's part to make those weapons, so it can feel like a bit of a rip off to be paying how ever many dollars or pounds per piece.
I'd say my main gripe is just with the cost of the game as a whole. I don't really judge the prices of models based on how much a single model (or in this case a single weapon) costs, I'm looking at how much it costs to play a typical game.
Having Australian pricing and a lot of things as direct sales makes it worse. If you buy a big boxed set, a single book (loyalist or traitor), 2 rhinos, a Kratos, and the weapons upgrade sets.... that's ~$1250AUD full retail, and because much of it is direct only even buying from discounters you're still looking at ~$1100AUD.
If that's the sort of expected investment to get into the game, I'd kind of hope the heavy weapons could be somewhat subsidised by everything else. Ya know, kind of like buying a car and they throw in the floor mats for free, only a fool would think they're actually getting floor mats for free, they're subsidised by the cost of the car itself.
Did no one in the community paint the up the boxed set in Salamander colours or did they just forget to include the picture?
The reason is hilarious. Sallies were assigned to some french youtuber and the moron painted them all kawasaki green with his channel logo on every figure. It's photoshopped off of the Spartan but they couldn't be arsed for a whole army shot.
Also I think third party resin bases.
That's funny, who is the youtuber? Are there more pics somewhere?
The downside of getting the community to paint these models is definitely the mixed bag of quality, but I kind of like seeing models that aren't simply painted in the typical GW studio style.
I'm surprised GW let the community painters use products that are in direct competition to those that GW sell at all. I guess putting your channel logo on the models was a step too far, lol.
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Sure, but if they'd used in-house painters, they wouldn't have gotten as much cheap ad coverage, since most people who got one of those commissions made videos about them.
Agamemnon2 wrote: Sure, but if they'd used in-house painters, they wouldn't have gotten as much cheap ad coverage, since most people who got one of those commissions made videos about them.
That's the important part of it, indeed. Having armies at GW is nice and all, but not really important in the grand scheme. Having loads of buzz about them is the whole idea.
he proably figured they'd be forced to display it and "by using my symbol I'll get free advertising everything they do this!"
course GW shoulda just assigned in house painters for this, it woulda avoided a number of problems
I dunno. I mean it's a symbol not a name and means nothing to me. I can't search it, so I'll never find the site based on some heraldry on models. If I did recognize, then I must already be a fan.
I'd say rather than free advertising he's just signing his work, cause as advertising goes a meaningless logo doesn't do much.
he proably figured they'd be forced to display it and "by using my symbol I'll get free advertising everything they do this!"
course GW shoulda just assigned in house painters for this, it woulda avoided a number of problems
I dunno. I mean it's a symbol not a name and means nothing to me. I can't search it, so I'll never find the site based on some heraldry on models. If I did recognize, then I must already be a fan.
I'd say rather than free advertising he's just signing his work, cause as advertising goes a meaningless logo doesn't do much.
It is a name, it's just illegibly tiny. I think it says French Wargame Studio. The play might have worked if people could see the Spartan sized one.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
So it's 227 USD??? That's way cheaper than what I thought it was going to be.
How have you been here 6 years and not know about price bands. It's 299$
I don't know what that is. 299 is unfortunate.
But it's what gw dollar prices are. Using exchange ratios won't give you price(for one have you noticed prices don't fluctuate with exchange ratio changes?). You need to look at equilavent prices in uk value and then see what it costs in us. Or alternatively look at retail price list available at gw site.
Yup gotta love 'Regional Pricing" lol.
Fun fact in Canada it was cheaper to buy Forgeworld ( with free shipping at $250 cad) then retail GW in Canada. Same with our aussie friends. It's one of the reasons GW eventually did away with FW pricing and went regional pricing on FW. It was good times getting a 3000 point Elysian army for cheaper then a plastic Catachan or Cadian army and those where the days when they sold 20 man squads of guard. Also a few times the Canadian Dollar was higher then the Us dollar it was a massive deal to just direct order from the US to Canada, they did away with that also.... wonder why?....
With the aussie prices I can't imagine the Cad prices will be much better so "Uncle Ho" will still do just fine in the end.
Really nice chap, and the Salamanders looked great in person
I found some pics of them in one of his live streams, the models look pretty good, the photo of the Spartan doesn't really do justice to the quality, they're one of the better painted boxed sets.
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Agamemnon2 wrote: Sure, but if they'd used in-house painters, they wouldn't have gotten as much cheap ad coverage, since most people who got one of those commissions made videos about them.
Also it would have cost them a huge amount to get them painted in house for no additional publicity. I don't know how long it takes GW to paint their models, but I can't imagine it's less than an hour per model, probably more like two, multiply that by the number of models in the boxed set and then multiply it by 18, that's a lot of man hours.
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The finished Model is nice, but why is she using Black Templar Contrast on an Abaddon Black basecoat?
Doesn't make any sense, does it?
I've had a feeling that someone in charge at GW has told the painters to use at least one Contrast paint in each tutorial, it would explain some of the odd choices.
The finished Model is nice, but why is she using Black Templar Contrast on an Abaddon Black basecoat?
Doesn't make any sense, does it?
I've had a feeling that someone in charge at GW has told the painters to use at least one Contrast paint in each tutorial, it would explain some of the odd choices.
GW: "Why do in one step what can be done in 3, using 3 different products".
For anyone painting black or dark models, I've found Vallejo's black spray a really good match for Vallejo Model Color Black (70.950), I've been using it for my Night's Watch models and I can touch up spots I missed with the black spray without having to recoat the entire model in black.
Oh gosh, another useless 40k like rule...
So if a Salamander player fights against my army, and especially if he plays infantry heavy like usual, he will benefit from... nothing. He would simply play with no special rules. Except yeah maybe on his rhinos The same happened to the IW. Why couldn't they just keep the good old rules that were working ? Why do they have to put situational rules like that ?
What was wrong with a better ld and better flamers ?
I mean the IW rules before weren't great either IMO - i mean one of the rules was that your opponent gets to choose the game length?!
The finished Model is nice, but why is she using Black Templar Contrast on an Abaddon Black basecoat?
Doesn't make any sense, does it?
I've had a feeling that someone in charge at GW has told the painters to use at least one Contrast paint in each tutorial, it would explain some of the odd choices.
GW: "Why do in one step what can be done in 3, using 3 different products".
For anyone painting black or dark models, I've found Vallejo's black spray a really good match for Vallejo Model Color Black (70.950), I've been using it for my Night's Watch models and I can touch up spots I missed with the black spray without having to recoat the entire model in black.
Thanks for the tip, I've got plenty of Raven Guard & Black Legion in the painting queue
Also it would have cost them a huge amount to get them painted in house for no additional publicity. I don't know how long it takes GW to paint their models, but I can't imagine it's less than an hour per model, probably more like two, multiply that by the number of models in the boxed set and then multiply it by 18, that's a lot of man hours.
It's a lot longer than an hour per model, even basic troops. This is evidenced by the videos produced by studio painters where they document the process used for specific paint jobs. Also I'd add that one major reason for farming the job out to community people was so that they'd have the armies painted at all. They wouldn't have, if they'd been studio painted. Whilst almost every army eventually gets a studio version (if you include FW, eg there's no GW Aplha Legion army per say, but there is some sort of FWAL army, etc), this is over the span of several years as codices are released. What they don't do is paint every model release in every possible chapter scheme upon release, even when it's a small squad (eg when Primaris Eliminators were released, we didn't see the product painted in 20+ schemes, we got UM and a coupe of alternates, and then they're gradually painted up in specific chapter colours for each codex as the books are produced, at leat this is how it seems to me anyway). Had they not done it this community way with the HH box, we just wouldn't have seen all 18 legions.
(Edit - I should add there's a difference between the box art and the army paint jobs in terms of complexity and time taken, but the simpler version doesn't reduce time by orders of magnitude).
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