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grahamdbailey wrote:
New plastic Land Raider Proteus, with or without assault ramp.

I love how the hull mounted las cannons look like a pair of parascope wall-e style googly eyes.

Every time I see the Proteus with its ramp I just think of this old vine:

 Togusa wrote:

grahamdbailey wrote:
New plastic Land Raider Proteus, with or without assault ramp.

I love how the hull mounted las cannons look like a pair of parascope wall-e style googly eyes.

Someone should start mutating a death guard one into a snail with those as eyes

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

grahamdbailey wrote:
New plastic Land Raider Proteus, with or without assault ramp.

Looks like these are different vehicles; both Land Raider Proteus, but the one with no assault ramp is the Explorator model with less transport capacity but with the dozer blade and extra sensor array.

Shouldn't it be the other way around? The one without Assault Ramp is an exact copy of the current Proteus(which also lacks the ramp in the rules).

Alls I know is what I see in review videos. Basic Proteus has assault ramp, 12 cap. Explorator has no assault ramp, 8 cap, dozer, augur array.

Also, the Spartan retains the option to swap its quad lascannon for LDAs so that’s nice. Free, too. Anyone who’s seen the sprues in detail know if that’s a build option for the plastic kit so far?

Finally, close combat weapons are definitely still a thing for Leviathan dreads; they default to having two claws, which can be individually swapped for drills or guns.

deano2099 wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
£180 could very well be a "bargain" but its a lot of money for those who want to give the game a try and see if its right for them.

But so is £100 right? That's why only the most expensive starter boxes for 40K and AoS are £100 and there are cheaper options for those that just want to give it a go. Which I would expect we will see down the line. Much like Indomitus and Dominion, this box is very much targeted at those already in the GW eco-system and want to branch out into something new. Except I think they've learned the lesson there that making those launch boxes limited edition wasn't a great move. Especially with Dominion ending up discounted everywhere for no real reason other than they wanted to launch the Extremis starter box. When they could have just made Dominion the actual starter and it not selling through in a few months wouldn't have mattered. We all said that at the time, and now it seems to be what they are doing.

I can see the point you are trying to make but the fact is that £100 remains far less to gamble with than £180. Not the best of examples, because we are talking about 80% difference in price. That said, I must be fair to you here; the AoS and 40K launch boxes were £125, if memory serves correctly, closing that gulf in price.

Horus Heresy strikes me as a game that'll be marketed at a more advanced audiance. "want a more in depth game then 40k? with a rich setting that almost enchourages a historical approuch? want a game that focuses on bigger armies? then play horus heresy"

BrianDavion wrote:
Horus Heresy strikes me as a game that'll be marketed at a more advanced audiance. "want a more in depth game then 40k? with a rich setting that almost enchourages a historical approuch? want a game that focuses on bigger armies? then play horus heresy"

I think part of what made HH that type of game was the fact much of the products were resin and direct only via FW. It meant only a certain type of gamer would ever take the plunge. As GW transitions the range to plastic, I'm sure they'll want to broaden the audience.

According to reddit the "Second wave" of the AoD box won't be available for another three months. I'm slightly shocked tbh.

BrianDavion wrote:
Horus Heresy strikes me as a game that'll be marketed at a more advanced audiance. "want a more in depth game then 40k? with a rich setting that almost enchourages a historical approuch? want a game that focuses on bigger armies? then play horus heresy"

I don't really recognise this stereotype that older, 'more advanced' () gamers/hobbyists are supposed to want a game that takes hours to play, is very complicated, requires huge numbers of models and is to be treated as a 'historical' wargame with the attendant anal-retentive button-counting. My experience is the exact opposite of this. Most of the hobbyists I know of my generation (i.e. old enough to remember Rogue Trader or at least 2nd edition) want fast, fun, streamlined, smaller-scale games. It's the younger ones who seem to enjoy the sort of game you're suggesting HH is designed to be.

 Duskweaver wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Horus Heresy strikes me as a game that'll be marketed at a more advanced audiance. "want a more in depth game then 40k? with a rich setting that almost enchourages a historical approuch? want a game that focuses on bigger armies? then play horus heresy"

I don't really recognise this stereotype that older, 'more advanced' () gamers/hobbyists are supposed to want a game that takes hours to play, is very complicated, requires huge numbers of models and is to be treated as a 'historical' wargame with the attendant anal-retentive button-counting. My experience is the exact opposite of this. Most of the hobbyists I know of my generation (i.e. old enough to remember Rogue Trader or at least 2nd edition) want fast, fun, streamlined, smaller-scale games. It's the younger ones who seem to enjoy the sort of game you're suggesting HH is designed to be.

I'd say I agree with your appraisal. As a kid I loved the big games that took a whole day to play... as an adult I want games with simple rules that I don't have to invest half my life into learning and a game that I can play a few in a day.

But that's just me. I know there's also old farts who love sitting around for hours on end playing just one game.

At this point I think most of GW's audience is an older audience. In the 90's and 00's it seemed like GW was getting in a lot of new blood with the hobby stores full of high school kids coming in after school. These days I go to the same stores and no one looks under 30.

 Duskweaver wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Horus Heresy strikes me as a game that'll be marketed at a more advanced audiance. "want a more in depth game then 40k? with a rich setting that almost enchourages a historical approuch? want a game that focuses on bigger armies? then play horus heresy"

I don't really recognise this stereotype that older, 'more advanced' () gamers/hobbyists are supposed to want a game that takes hours to play, is very complicated, requires huge numbers of models and is to be treated as a 'historical' wargame with the attendant anal-retentive button-counting. My experience is the exact opposite of this. Most of the hobbyists I know of my generation (i.e. old enough to remember Rogue Trader or at least 2nd edition) want fast, fun, streamlined, smaller-scale games. It's the younger ones who seem to enjoy the sort of game you're suggesting HH is designed to be.

you're the one who read "older" in my comment, I said more advanced.

I know plenty of older gamers who enjoy more crunch, and yeah others who don't wanna move beyond beer and pretzels.

neither of these is wrong, but they're differant markets.

BrianDavion wrote:
you're the one who read "older" in my comment, I said more advanced.

I'd say most other contexts become insulting to whoever you're calling "not advanced"

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
you're the one who read "older" in my comment, I said more advanced.

I'd say most other contexts become insulting to whoever you're calling "not advanced"

eh I implied more advanced ruleset etc. and I'm not saying one is more advanced and all people who just stick with 40k are "dumb" etc. but simply that I think GW'll market the Horus Heresy as a "more complex game" for those looking for such a thing.

I have tried out whether the new Special & Heavy Weapon Upgrade sets fit the old MkIII and MkIV models. The answer: not really

Here is my review: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/06/review-legiones-astartes-special-heavy-weapon-upgrade-set/

BrianDavion wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
you're the one who read "older" in my comment, I said more advanced.

I'd say most other contexts become insulting to whoever you're calling "not advanced"

eh I implied more advanced ruleset etc. and I'm not saying one is more advanced and all people who just stick with 40k are "dumb" etc. but simply that I think GW'll market the Horus Heresy as a "more complex game" for those looking for such a thing.

These are supposed to be beer and pretzels games that you throw some dices with friends... All I see in 40k is a bloated web of rules that to be honest I dont have the time or will to hunt for.

Im part of the crowd that is older and has less time to go through several rulebooks and special WD or dex etc etc...

When you say more complex you mean more micro management detailed? Or even more books after books of rulesets?
So far its only 2 army books and a rulebook on debut right? Pretty much like 40k.

Where did it say that we were getting a 40k datasheet for the Kratos?

 stahly wrote:
I have tried out whether the new Special & Heavy Weapon Upgrade sets fit the old MkIII and MkIV models. The answer: not really

What are you even talking about? Its a minimal gap fill on those pics.

 Rolsheen wrote:
Where did it say that we were getting a 40k datasheet for the Kratos?

The "what's coming for pre-order next week" article I think.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 stahly wrote:
I have tried out whether the new Special & Heavy Weapon Upgrade sets fit the old MkIII and MkIV models. The answer: not really

What are you even talking about? Its a minimal gap fill on those pics.

It's a two millimetre gap, that's quite noticeable. With some of the weapons, you'll even up with gaps on both wrists. Not impossible, but quite a hassle.

 stahly wrote:
I have tried out whether the new Special & Heavy Weapon Upgrade sets fit the old MkIII and MkIV models. The answer: not really

Here is my review: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/06/review-legiones-astartes-special-heavy-weapon-upgrade-set/

"Each of the 5 weapons fits exactly to one of the five different arm pairs from the new MkVI kit, so you have to be careful when assembling and read the instructions carefully."

Ouchie

 stahly wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 stahly wrote:
I have tried out whether the new Special & Heavy Weapon Upgrade sets fit the old MkIII and MkIV models. The answer: not really

What are you even talking about? Its a minimal gap fill on those pics.

It's a two millimetre gap, that's quite noticeable. With some of the weapons, you'll even up with gaps on both wrists. Not impossible, but quite a hassle.

Dont want to be difficult but its a minimal gap filling... Also if you shave a bit of the arm part that connects to the shoulder the arm will be closer to the torso itself reducing the gap of the wrist to weapon....
Just dont understand how you can conclude from a small and simple gap filling that they are not compatible...

 stahly wrote:
I have tried out whether the new Special & Heavy Weapon Upgrade sets fit the old MkIII and MkIV models. The answer: not really

Here is my review: https://taleofpainters.com/2022/06/review-legiones-astartes-special-heavy-weapon-upgrade-set/

Great stuff Stahly, thank you. Any chance of seeing if the leftover plastic Contemptor weapons easily fit on a resin body with the shoulders already on?

I think when it comes to the cross compatibility it is a shame that the weapons are not able to be straight swapped. That said it is a case of YMMV with how much effort is needed to make it work. For some it will be some standard hobby work but to others it will not be worth the effort.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 stahly wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 stahly wrote:
I have tried out whether the new Special & Heavy Weapon Upgrade sets fit the old MkIII and MkIV models. The answer: not really

What are you even talking about? Its a minimal gap fill on those pics.

It's a two millimetre gap, that's quite noticeable. With some of the weapons, you'll even up with gaps on both wrists. Not impossible, but quite a hassle.

Dont want to be difficult but its a minimal gap filling... Also if you shave a bit of the arm part that connects to the shoulder the arm will be closer to the torso itself reducing the gap of the wrist to weapon....
Just dont understand how you can conclude from a small and simple gap filling that they are not compatible...

Well, they're plastic, with enough work anything is compatible You seem to be reading into this something that wasn't said. Stahly didn't say they weren't compatible, he said the answer to the question "do they fit" is "not really". It's pretty obvious that means it's possible to make them fit it'll just take some effort, combined with the picture showing the result it shouldn't be difficult to understand the amount of work involved in making it fit.

Thanks for the comparison. I guess now the scale creep arguments will move onto people insisting "there's practically no gap what so ever there! Infact I think the hole (which doesn't exist) is an improvement!!!"

Wonder if they'll update MK3 and 4 once 2 and 5 are in the wild.

Thanks for all the awesome articles Stahly - superb content.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 stahly wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 stahly wrote:
I have tried out whether the new Special & Heavy Weapon Upgrade sets fit the old MkIII and MkIV models. The answer: not really

What are you even talking about? Its a minimal gap fill on those pics.

It's a two millimetre gap, that's quite noticeable. With some of the weapons, you'll even up with gaps on both wrists. Not impossible, but quite a hassle.

Dont want to be difficult but its a minimal gap filling... Also if you shave a bit of the arm part that connects to the shoulder the arm will be closer to the torso itself reducing the gap of the wrist to weapon....
Just dont understand how you can conclude from a small and simple gap filling that they are not compatible...

They aren't compatible. Like most of us here I'm from the good old days, I've done my time cutting up lead models with razor saws. That experience doesn't mean that these bits are compatible, this can be seen from the pic (I assume he tried a few different combos). You've also overlooked the hand cutting (a more complex job) or chosen to neglect mentioning it.

 stahly wrote:
I have tried out whether the new Special & Heavy Weapon Upgrade sets fit the old MkIII and MkIV models. The answer: not really

Thanks for those. I'm interested to see how easy it is to magnetise the heavy weapons. Special weapons look doable, but not sure if that set of heavy weapon arms is generic



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BrianDavion wrote:
eh I implied more advanced ruleset etc. and I'm not saying one is more advanced and all people who just stick with 40k are "dumb" etc. but simply that I think GW'll market the Horus Heresy as a "more complex game" for those looking for such a thing.

I dunno, I reckon that 30k is the simpler ruleset overall. From the outside, 40k seems to me to be massively complex. Each unit has its own special rules and specific requirements. Add to that Command Points, Strategems and all sorts of wombo combo gotchas seems to me to be a much more complex system and that's not considering the sheer amount of units.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 stahly wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 stahly wrote:
I have tried out whether the new Special & Heavy Weapon Upgrade sets fit the old MkIII and MkIV models. The answer: not really

What are you even talking about? Its a minimal gap fill on those pics.

It's a two millimetre gap, that's quite noticeable. With some of the weapons, you'll even up with gaps on both wrists. Not impossible, but quite a hassle.

Dont want to be difficult but its a minimal gap filling... Also if you shave a bit of the arm part that connects to the shoulder the arm will be closer to the torso itself reducing the gap of the wrist to weapon....
Just dont understand how you can conclude from a small and simple gap filling that they are not compatible...

Well, they're plastic, with enough work anything is compatible You seem to be reading into this something that wasn't said. Stahly didn't say they weren't compatible, he said the answer to the question "do they fit" is "not really". It's pretty obvious that means it's possible to make them fit it'll just take some effort, combined with the picture showing the result it shouldn't be difficult to understand the amount of work involved in making it fit.

Like you say its plastic all can be done.

Point being if you go to the effort of cutting the hands off in a a funny angle to keep the forearm plates intact then surely you need to tidy it up the wrist gaps later... thats not something complex or particularly difficult or even time consuming.
In the case of plastic you dont even need GS you slice a tiny cylinder from a sprue frame, put it on the gap and flood with plastic glue, that will melt the patch slice and fill the gap.
Filling it is a couple minutes job much like normal gluing 2 parts.

I would say cutting the hands off takes more time.
So yes if you are ok cutting the hands to make it fit and then stopping at the gap filling to say they dont fit then well... dont cut the hands off and stop the review right there because they have an extra hand...XD

Its like I start the race go leaps and bounds but then stop 2mm before the finishing line to say its not doable.

IMO the weapons sizes dont look out of place and if a small gap filling is all it takes to make it happen I would be pretty happy to add it to my army.

I think you are confusing "not really" for "not at all" - His review said the former, not the latter.

I expect ther results might be better by fudging the shoulder instead of the wrist. But definitely a great niche for some 3d printed bits.

Also every sculpt that doesn't allow a straight wrist cut.