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Good to know that Exemplary Battles is continuing.

Oooh. Be interesting if Liber Imperium has rules for Talons, Knights Errent and Imperial Army/Solar Aux all bundled into one.

Plus, the Warhammer Design Studio is cooking up even more new material for the new edition, which we’ll be able to tell you about in due course. That includes loads of new miniatures – starting with iconic Legiones Astartes units in plastic, and exciting new Legion-specific characters and upgrades coming in resin.

Are there any characters without models in the current books, or is this the first hint of a new round of splatbooks?

They responded to a Tweet that Demons pdf seems to be the case at this point.

Another response that Blackshields are also expected to be a pdf.

For those that care to know.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Plus, the Warhammer Design Studio is cooking up even more new material for the new edition, which we’ll be able to tell you about in due course. That includes loads of new miniatures – starting with iconic Legiones Astartes units in plastic, and exciting new Legion-specific characters and upgrades coming in resin.

Are there any characters without models in the current books, or is this the first hint of a new round of splatbooks?

Just Corswain I think.

Corswain and Exodus.

So that seems clear enough on the book side of things, but...

is that downward arrow new plastic kits every month 'til November (maybe longer), or really just a cluster for late july, august and early september and then resin shoulder pads and heads dropping in along the way?

Yea the design on the arrow tells us nothing.

Kratos rules for 40K.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/07/the-almighty-kratos-heavy-assault-tank-bulldozes-into-warhammer-40000-with-these-free-rules/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=the-horus-heresy&utm_content=hhassault&fbclid=IwAR3jdKLUyTFDQZ5poUbZyEqDMSaAgsVg8Y4fnaL6hohKrl1acVml-0OZcdQ

Maybe shove that in its own thread?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kratos rules for 40K.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/07/the-almighty-kratos-heavy-assault-tank-bulldozes-into-warhammer-40000-with-these-free-rules/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=the-horus-heresy&utm_content=hhassault&fbclid=IwAR3jdKLUyTFDQZ5poUbZyEqDMSaAgsVg8Y4fnaL6hohKrl1acVml-0OZcdQ

Oh, did we forget chaos marines exist again?

Re: Slide coring - from what I understand GW has all but abandoned the tech, it turned out to be too expensive, complex, and time consuming and they weren't getting good results with it. They have retained the slide core molds for the baneblade kit and a couple others (? or was it just the baneblade?) but from what I understand have no intention to produce more kits using the tech, at least not until the complexity and cost aspects come down.

Re: roadmap - still no clear indication of whether Blackshields or Shattered Legions will continue to have life. Shattered Legions *could* be in Liber Imperium, arguably, but Blackshields in Liber Imperium wouldn't make sense. Unless Shattered Legions/Blackshields are considered "Imperialis MIlitia & Warp Cults" (which i'm not sure I understand what that means), then they might not be supported anymore?

Re: Non-marine plastics - heavy doubt. GW will get a lot more utility and sales from producing marine plastics than anything else for the time being. A plastic custodes vehicle/unit that has rules for 40k might see release in the future, but I wouldn't expect to see plastic Mechanicum units anytime soon, not as long as GW continues to delineate a hard difference between the Heresy era "Mechanicum" and the 40k era "Adeptus Mechanicus" (the two terms are not interchangeable and refer to different periods in the existence of what is essentially the same entity but with different hierearchies, structures, and rules/regulations to follow) and to not provide 30k rules for 40k AdMech minis nor 40k rules for 30k Mechanicum minis.


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Re: Kratos - Woulda been nice if CSM could use them... only real takeaway is that I hope that the Kratos Battlecannon having an AP and an HE round is a sign of whats to come for Guard, but I doubt it (based on rapid fire battlecannons in the knights books).

Voss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kratos rules for 40K.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/07/the-almighty-kratos-heavy-assault-tank-bulldozes-into-warhammer-40000-with-these-free-rules/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=the-horus-heresy&utm_content=hhassault&fbclid=IwAR3jdKLUyTFDQZ5poUbZyEqDMSaAgsVg8Y4fnaL6hohKrl1acVml-0OZcdQ

Oh, did we forget chaos marines exist again?

Can't spoil the upcoming CSM codex....
But chances are...it's not in there!

Has it been officially stated anywhere that units without models except for Exemplary Battles units are coming back? It clearly states in this article the PDF is for old discontinued models, same as worded before.

Bradeh wrote:
Has it been officially stated anywhere that units without models except for Exemplary Battles units are coming back? It clearly states in this article the PDF is for old discontinued models, same as worded before.

It isn't the same wording; the article which first mentioned the Legacies pdf I think leaves it more open - that the pdf includes more than just the discontinued models

For the really esoteric things – including discontinued models – rules will be made available for free in the forthcoming Legacies of the Age of Darkness PDF. In any case, we want you to be able to join in all the fun with the new edition as soon as possible – no matter what you collect.

I really hope the Panoply of War options are in there too!

 PetitionersCity wrote:

Bradeh wrote:
Has it been officially stated anywhere that units without models except for Exemplary Battles units are coming back? It clearly states in this article the PDF is for old discontinued models, same as worded before.

It isn't the same wording; the article which first mentioned the Legacies pdf I think leaves it more open - that the pdf includes more than just the discontinued models

For the really esoteric things – including discontinued models – rules will be made available for free in the forthcoming Legacies of the Age of Darkness PDF. In any case, we want you to be able to join in all the fun with the new edition as soon as possible – no matter what you collect.

I really hope the Panoply of War options are in there too!

Yeah I saw that, but things like Iron Havocs don't really scream esoteric to me. I hope I'm wrong.

 PetitionersCity wrote:
I really hope the Panoply of War options are in there too!

Same. I have a Praetor launcher that was being added to my Ordo Reductor...

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I'm just glad I don't live in a universe where they give us shoulder pads covered in divots (or plug holes) that we have to plug armour studs into by hand.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh but I would quite enjoy the white knights trying to defend having to try and hold a single 1mm rivet in your fingers and shave the mold line going down the middle of it as if it was the only possible way of doing things.

What I'm suggesting would have the studs on separate frames and you glue the whole frame in, it would take seconds to do, you wouldn't be gluing on individual studs. You also wouldn't be cleaning mould lines off individual rivets, the mould lines would be on the frame that holds the rivets and thus not be visible on the finished model, so you wouldn't have to clean them up at all or at most just whip a knife over them to ensure a good fit.

I can guarantee it'll be faster than trying to make those seam lines we have now disappear. The downside would be that it would inevitably take up more sprue space because it'd be 3 bits instead of 2 bits, but I'm assuming we're all on the "for a premium product..." line of thinking at this point.

I think GW have done similar things before when detail on a surface is not a aligned to the mould release direction of a larger piece, but maybe I'm thinking of another company. I'm sure I've shoved detail bits through holes and then glued them on the back before, lol.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

What I'm suggesting would have the studs on separate frames and you glue the whole frame in, it would take seconds to do, you wouldn't be gluing on individual studs. You also wouldn't be cleaning mould lines off individual rivets, the mould lines would be on the frame that holds the rivets and thus not be visible on the finished model, so you wouldn't have to clean them up at all or at most just whip a knife over them to ensure a good fit.

I can guarantee it'll be faster than trying to make those seam lines we have now disappear. The downside would be that it would inevitably take up more sprue space because it'd be 3 bits instead of 2 bits, but I'm assuming we're all on the "for a premium product..." line of thinking at this point.

I think GW have done similar things before when detail on a surface is not a aligned to the mould release direction of a larger piece, but maybe I'm thinking of another company. I'm sure I've shoved detail bits through holes and then glued them on the back before, lol.

Might have been the spikes on Nurgle shoulder pads even. It's a cool idea.

Voss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kratos rules for 40K.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/07/the-almighty-kratos-heavy-assault-tank-bulldozes-into-warhammer-40000-with-these-free-rules/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=the-horus-heresy&utm_content=hhassault&fbclid=IwAR3jdKLUyTFDQZ5poUbZyEqDMSaAgsVg8Y4fnaL6hohKrl1acVml-0OZcdQ

Oh, did we forget chaos marines exist again?

Yep. I'm shocked it's not got 2 data sheets right out the gate. I planned to get one for my white scars and one for my thousand sons. I've started with one so I guess that's for my white scars and my thousand sons just don't get one I suppose!

Fingers crossed there's a chaos one later...

The Black Adder wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kratos rules for 40K.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/07/the-almighty-kratos-heavy-assault-tank-bulldozes-into-warhammer-40000-with-these-free-rules/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=the-horus-heresy&utm_content=hhassault&fbclid=IwAR3jdKLUyTFDQZ5poUbZyEqDMSaAgsVg8Y4fnaL6hohKrl1acVml-0OZcdQ

Oh, did we forget chaos marines exist again?

Yep. I'm shocked it's not got 2 data sheets right out the gate. I planned to get one for my white scars and one for my thousand sons. I've started with one so I guess that's for my white scars and my thousand sons just don't get one I suppose!

Fingers crossed there's a chaos one later...

At this point there have been enough codices that gw should just print a new compendium and update everything.

I'm very much liking that GW seems to be making very chunky books for army rules. The Crusade Imperialis book was really good in 1.0 with 3 armies in one and it's good to see that become the benchmark instead of spreading everything into 7 or 8 individual books.

So, do we think the Kratos in 40k will be rolled into codex books and so get proper updates over time, or will it be a splash rules release and left to languish with half-hearted updates along with FW models?

I'm hoping the former as it is a plastic release.

Splog wrote:
So, do we think the Kratos in 40k will be rolled into codex books and so get proper updates over time, or will it be a splash rules release and left to languish with half-hearted updates along with FW models?

I'm hoping the former as it is a plastic release.

I'm expecting it in Marines 2.0 alongside the Spartan, Leviathan, Sicaran, and updated contemptor. They may also add the various pintle mount options to firstborn vehicles to match the deimos kits as well.

Splog wrote:
So, do we think the Kratos in 40k will be rolled into codex books and so get proper updates over time, or will it be a splash rules release and left to languish with half-hearted updates along with FW models?

I'm hoping the former as it is a plastic release.

Given the contemptor and relic terminator armor we can expect it to make it's way into the codex.


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Racerguy180 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kratos rules for 40K.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/07/the-almighty-kratos-heavy-assault-tank-bulldozes-into-warhammer-40000-with-these-free-rules/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=the-horus-heresy&utm_content=hhassault&fbclid=IwAR3jdKLUyTFDQZ5poUbZyEqDMSaAgsVg8Y4fnaL6hohKrl1acVml-0OZcdQ

Oh, did we forget chaos marines exist again?

Can't spoil the upcoming CSM codex....
But chances are...it's not in there!

even if not it'd be easy eneugh to "errata" that to allow chaos options. but yeah GW's refusal to give chaos rules for horus heresy era stuff strikes again

Any idea what the model silhouettes on the roadmap might be? Obviously the top one is the Deimos Rhino. Could the marine represent an upcoming mkV or re-imagined mkII plastic set?

I'd guess they're just the mkvi, given that the others are stuff we already have.

That kratos 40k datasheet sure is. . . horrible, lol. I mean, I knew it would be terrible, because GW absolutely hates SM tanks for some reason. At least it's not a lord of war, I guess? I'm still searching for some missing shots on the battle cannon armor pen mode.

Just compare this (or the Repulsor Executioner) to the Riptide or Stormsurge or Fire Prism and despair. I mean holy cow the difference in what you get for the points is astounding.

Oh well, it does look ridiculously cool, so I'll be getting it anyway.

Edit--okay looks like I misread the datasheet just a bit. You can swap the heavy bolters for lascannons for no additional cost, so that's 4 lascannons plus the main gun. Still a bit overpriced but not quite as bad as I first thought. Now it just makes the Repulsor Executioner look even worse than it already is (and it's horrific).

Quasistellar wrote:


Oh well, it does look ridiculously cool, so I'll be getting it anyway.

Edit--okay looks like I misread the datasheet just a bit. You can swap the heavy bolters for lascannons for no additional cost, so that's 4 lascannons plus the main gun. Still a bit overpriced but not quite as bad as I first thought. Now it just makes the Repulsor Executioner look even worse than it already is (and it's horrific).

I'll be building an all-Volkite version because a) I like Volkite weapons and b) The Emperor's Children need more Volkite support.

If I happen to get a second one, my Primaris Space Wolves will be the beneficiary of a all Laser Cannon tank hunter variant.

Voss wrote:

Smaug wrote:
Has anyone heard if there will be any more of the weapon upgrade kits? Something like a Breacher kit with shields, lascutters, and graviton guns or a Despoiler kit with bolt pistols, swords, and axes. Also will there be jump packs with either single nozzle like the Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard or the older twin jet turbine style? With the jump packs and a Despoiler kit it would take care of Assault squads and Destroyers would need a few more pistols and some rad-missile launchers.

We know there are more heavy weapons.

Assault marines and jump packs will be a new kit (unless they don't happen, which seems unlikely to me with the 'all-in' focus they're putting on HH). Jump packs are the harness, too, which gets modelled on the chest piece, and GW's very averse to 'tactical' legs and assault marines. More running or... sigh... jumping poses would be in the works.

It doesn’t look like FW sculpted harnesses on the MKIV assault marines or the MKV assault marines or make running legs for them. Although it looks the MKIV despoilers do have chest harnesses while the assault squad with packs don’t.


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 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

I'm just glad I don't live in a universe where they give us shoulder pads covered in divots (or plug holes) that we have to plug armour studs into by hand.

The scale models hobby knows crazier builds than that, albeit usually not in scales as small as our "28mm heroic". I can think of a lot of incredibly laborious assemblies in 1:35, all done in the name of uncompromising realism and scale accurary. We should count ourselves blessed that Forgeworld never embraced photoetched brass as a material

Forge World released a Epic Multipart Space Marine