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Smaug wrote:
It doesn’t look like FW sculpted harnesses on the MKIV assault marines or the MKV assault marines or make running legs for them. Although it looks the MKIV despoilers do have chest harnesses while the assault squad with packs don’t.

The MKIV do (it's the uppermost solid plate), but it does look like the MKV don't. I've always wondered what kind of backpack they have under the jump pack...

 Gert wrote:
I'm very much liking that GW seems to be making very chunky books for army rules. The Crusade Imperialis book was really good in 1.0 with 3 armies in one and it's good to see that become the benchmark instead of spreading everything into 7 or 8 individual books.

I wish they could just do this. Print a 150$ book with every data sheet in the game, 1 each for 40K, AoS, HH. Just fill it full of data sheets, nothing else. People will buy it.

 Togusa wrote:

 Gert wrote:
I'm very much liking that GW seems to be making very chunky books for army rules. The Crusade Imperialis book was really good in 1.0 with 3 armies in one and it's good to see that become the benchmark instead of spreading everything into 7 or 8 individual books.

I wish they could just do this. Print a 150$ book with every data sheet in the game, 1 each for 40K, AoS, HH. Just fill it full of data sheets, nothing else. People will buy it.

And on release day it would need errata the size of a regular codex

The 40k Kratos is a very durable fella. With 18W T8 eith 2+ save, Armor of Contempt, -1 to hit Strat due to Smokescreen, it seems like at least a big and solid distraction carnifex. 4 Lascans are quite a waste without <Core> which puts the Predator in a rough spot already, but using it for the sole spam of volkites, heavy bolters or other weird loadouts seems like a valid thing to do. Salamanders will love it during T2-3 Tactical Doctrine, having a Melter Maingun with 2 Flamers on it. I only wonder that the Battlecannon does not ignore Invulns in Armour Pen Mode.

Also, from pictures, the models seems to be tiny with 19cm length.

Also, as mentioned by others, it is weird that there is no CSM rule. Would buy one to make it spikey for sure. Especially weird considering they only advertise it in Sons of Horus colors. You know, THAT chaoter that screw up the imperium anyway

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Gert wrote:
I'm very much liking that GW seems to be making very chunky books for army rules. The Crusade Imperialis book was really good in 1.0 with 3 armies in one and it's good to see that become the benchmark instead of spreading everything into 7 or 8 individual books.

I wish they could just do this. Print a 150$ book with every data sheet in the game, 1 each for 40K, AoS, HH. Just fill it full of data sheets, nothing else. People will buy it.

And on release day it would need errata the size of a regular codex

Hear me out. What if, what if they let the player base spend six months beta testing it, so that it could all be fixed before it went to print.

 Togusa wrote:
Hear me out. What if, what if they let the player base spend six months beta testing it, so that it could all be fixed before it went to print.

So this is some magical universe where GW actually cares about rules quality huh

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Hear me out. What if, what if they let the player base spend six months beta testing it, so that it could all be fixed before it went to print.

So this is some magical universe where GW actually cares about rules quality huh

Sometimes we just have to let ourselves dream.

 Togusa wrote:

 Gert wrote:
I'm very much liking that GW seems to be making very chunky books for army rules. The Crusade Imperialis book was really good in 1.0 with 3 armies in one and it's good to see that become the benchmark instead of spreading everything into 7 or 8 individual books.

I wish they could just do this. Print a 150$ book with every data sheet in the game, 1 each for 40K, AoS, HH. Just fill it full of data sheets, nothing else. People will buy it.

that'd be a little unwieldy for gaming sessions.

Voss wrote:
So that seems clear enough on the book side of things, but...

is that downward arrow new plastic kits every month 'til November (maybe longer), or really just a cluster for late july, august and early september and then resin shoulder pads and heads dropping in along the way?

Probably more of "when shipping permits but stuff keeps getting tied up so we're not committing to hard dates".

 Togusa wrote:
I wish they could just do this. Print a 150$ book with every data sheet in the game, 1 each for 40K, AoS, HH. Just fill it full of data sheets, nothing else. People will buy it.

Nah that's unreasonable. It would be completely unusable for games.
"Yeah just let me flip to page 1536 for the Silent Sisters rules."

They released the index books at the beginning of 8th edition which were good value

zanzibarthefirst wrote:
They released the index books at the beginning of 8th edition which were good value

Yes but the 8th Ed Indexes were a stopgap measure. The new HH books are the full package just like a Codex except much better.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Re: roadmap - still no clear indication of whether Blackshields or Shattered Legions will continue to have life. Shattered Legions *could* be in Liber Imperium, arguably, but Blackshields in Liber Imperium wouldn't make sense. Unless Shattered Legions/Blackshields are considered "Imperialis MIlitia & Warp Cults" (which i'm not sure I understand what that means), then they might not be supported anymore?

Blackshields are probably being saved for supplements. I hope those players get a PDF but their total silence on the subject makes me think they won't. At least you can get away with using Legion rules for now, even if it's not ideal and might be why they don't seem to be in a rush.

I don't think we'll get Shattered Legions in their last 'pick two flavours of slushie' form. It was very easily to make dumb, broken combinations that made a mess of the balance and didn't really achieve much in the way of fluffy armies that an Allied Detachment couldn't. My hot take is they'll release specific, fluffy combos like the in-universe Shattered Legions and maybe the Shadow Crusade as standalone things you can take rather than letting you make up whatever wombo combo you like.

Imperialis Militia & Warp Cults is just the long, full version of what people usually just refer to as the 'Militia' army.

I didn't catch it, but the "age of darkness box" isn't limited right?

Current view is not limited as that's what GW said...but then again gw has said so for limited stuff before and they call this launch box which so far has 100% meant limited so...

Nobody can say for absolute certainly thanks to GW's history and use of words. You are most likely safe to wait but if you really really really want it might want to play it safe and get it while you can.

Not Online!!! wrote:
I didn't catch it, but the "age of darkness box" isn't limited right?

GW has stated it is not limited - of course - GW may just be lying or the people saying this may be misinformed. All I will say is that it is better to buy this stuff sooner rather than later, because once it's out of production, buying it from another seller will not be cheap.

 blood reaper wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I didn't catch it, but the "age of darkness box" isn't limited right?

GW has stated it is not limited - of course - GW may just be lying or the people saying this may be misinformed. All I will say is that it is better to buy this stuff sooner rather than later, because once it's out of production, buying it from another seller will not be cheap.

Mate. You can’t just decide they’re lying.

There’s no evidence at all this is a limited run set. At all.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I didn't catch it, but the "age of darkness box" isn't limited right?

GW has stated it is not limited - of course - GW may just be lying or the people saying this may be misinformed. All I will say is that it is better to buy this stuff sooner rather than later, because once it's out of production, buying it from another seller will not be cheap.

Mate. You can’t just decide they’re lying.

There’s no evidence at all this is a limited run set. At all.

Well, I didn't say there were for certain - I said they may be. It's not impossible. Also why I said the people at claiming it's not limited may be misinformed.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
The 40k Kratos is a very durable fella. With 18W T8 eith 2+ save, Armor of Contempt, -1 to hit Strat due to Smokescreen, it seems like at least a big and solid distraction carnifex. 4 Lascans are quite a waste without <Core> which puts the Predator in a rough spot already, but using it for the sole spam of volkites, heavy bolters or other weird loadouts seems like a valid thing to do. Salamanders will love it during T2-3 Tactical Doctrine, having a Melter Maingun with 2 Flamers on it. I only wonder that the Battlecannon does not ignore Invulns in Armour Pen Mode.

Lack of CORE is a problem but not an unexpected one. Given the number of guns and its durability, it would almost be worth buying a Techmarine to babysit it. That will boost its BS to 2+ and you can patch up any wounds that do make it through the AoC.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Also, as mentioned by others, it is weird that there is no CSM rule. Would buy one to make it spikey for sure. Especially weird considering they only advertise it in Sons of Horus colors. You know, THAT chaoter that screw up the imperium anyway

Sons of Horus don't exist any more in the 40K timeline, they are the Black Legion now. The SoH livery is for HH. I am pretty sure Chaos players will get the Kratos too. Who knows, maybe the reason there is no PDF is that it is already in the new forthcoming CSM Codex.

 blood reaper wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I didn't catch it, but the "age of darkness box" isn't limited right?

GW has stated it is not limited - of course - GW may just be lying or the people saying this may be misinformed. All I will say is that it is better to buy this stuff sooner rather than later, because once it's out of production, buying it from another seller will not be cheap.

They have said multiple times it's something that will be supporting in an ongoing manner.

tneva82 wrote:Current view is not limited as that's what GW said...but then again gw has said so for limited stuff before and they call this launch box which so far has 100% meant limited so...

Nobody can say for absolute certainly thanks to GW's history and use of words. You are most likely safe to wait but if you really really really want it might want to play it safe and get it while you can.

blood reaper wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I didn't catch it, but the "age of darkness box" isn't limited right?

GW has stated it is not limited - of course - GW may just be lying or the people saying this may be misinformed. All I will say is that it is better to buy this stuff sooner rather than later, because once it's out of production, buying it from another seller will not be cheap.

Thought so, many thanks... bit of a shame really.

To be honest, i am debating if i should get it, i always wanted to do an end of the horus heresy AL force during and slightly after the scouring. Nothing big and ramshakle, various MK of armor, loads of infantry, etc. Shame that the headhunterkillteams are still that ridiculously overpriced upgrade set.





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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I didn't catch it, but the "age of darkness box" isn't limited right?

GW has stated it is not limited - of course - GW may just be lying or the people saying this may be misinformed. All I will say is that it is better to buy this stuff sooner rather than later, because once it's out of production, buying it from another seller will not be cheap.

They have said multiple times it's something that will be supporting in an ongoing manner.

Well, then i have enough time, to get myself the legion books, and then consider buying in or not.
many thanks !

Heck I know I'm getting at least two personally just because the savings in infantry alone will help a fair bit in getting a legion started.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I didn't catch it, but the "age of darkness box" isn't limited right?

GW has stated it is not limited - of course - GW may just be lying or the people saying this may be misinformed. All I will say is that it is better to buy this stuff sooner rather than later, because once it's out of production, buying it from another seller will not be cheap.

Mate. You can’t just decide they’re lying.

There’s no evidence at all this is a limited run set. At all.

Well they use term that has been 100% times been limited.

If you take their word at 100% value then you have to accept they are saying both limited and not limited at the same time.




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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I didn't catch it, but the "age of darkness box" isn't limited right?

GW has stated it is not limited - of course - GW may just be lying or the people saying this may be misinformed. All I will say is that it is better to buy this stuff sooner rather than later, because once it's out of production, buying it from another seller will not be cheap.

They have said multiple times it's something that will be supporting in an ongoing manner.

They have said wrong stuff before.

Could also mean they will support HH and there will be non limited boxes later. You know like every other time so far they have been talking about launch sets...

In short all we know for sure is that HH is going to stay around. If somebody claims he knows for sure whether this is limited box or not and isn't part of GW inside stuff(ie the people who actually decides this stuff) I can instantly point to person who is quaranteed to be lying.

If you want to be sure you get one and want it it's safer to get one while you can. If you don't mind taking bit of risk you can leave it later.

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I didn't catch it, but the "age of darkness box" isn't limited right?

GW has stated it is not limited - of course - GW may just be lying or the people saying this may be misinformed. All I will say is that it is better to buy this stuff sooner rather than later, because once it's out of production, buying it from another seller will not be cheap.

Mate. You can’t just decide they’re lying.

There’s no evidence at all this is a limited run set. At all.

Well they use term that has been 100% times been limited.

If you take their word at 100% value then you have to accept they are saying both limited and not limited at the same time.




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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I didn't catch it, but the "age of darkness box" isn't limited right?

GW has stated it is not limited - of course - GW may just be lying or the people saying this may be misinformed. All I will say is that it is better to buy this stuff sooner rather than later, because once it's out of production, buying it from another seller will not be cheap.

They have said multiple times it's something that will be supporting in an ongoing manner.

They have said wrong stuff before.

Could also mean they will support HH and there will be non limited boxes later. You know like every other time so far they have been talking about launch sets...

In short all we know for sure is that HH is going to stay around. If somebody claims he knows for sure whether this is limited box or not and isn't part of GW inside stuff(ie the people who actually decides this stuff) I can instantly point to person who is quaranteed to be lying.

If you want to be sure you get one and want it it's safer to get one while you can. If you don't mind taking bit of risk you can leave it later.

Stop upholding Cursed City as the standard of what happens to releases. FFS stop pushing a FOMO mindset on a product that's going to see ongoing support.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Stop upholding Cursed City as the standard of what happens to releases. FFS stop pushing a FOMO mindset on a product that's going to see ongoing support.

And Cursed City did eventually get an unlimited release and continued support is now coming anyway. I'm not sure we'll ever know what really happened with it but clearly the intent was to have it like that, so they weren't actively deceiving people.

I'm assuming its a limited launch box set(Indomitus, Dominon, Kill Team: Octarius), but it is possible it could be a long-runner like the other Heresy-era game Adeptus Titanicus where the launch set, the Grand Master Edition, keeps coming back for more print runs due to high demand.

Personally I wouldn't mind a smaller set for The Horus Heresy because I've always fancied a small Thousand Sons patrol with their pre-40K colour scheme. Its very nice.

deano2099 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Stop upholding Cursed City as the standard of what happens to releases. FFS stop pushing a FOMO mindset on a product that's going to see ongoing support.

And Cursed City did eventually get an unlimited release and continued support is now coming anyway. I'm not sure we'll ever know what really happened with it but clearly the intent was to have it like that, so they weren't actively deceiving people.

Exactly. The FOMO nonsense really needs to stop. Some people keep pushing that it "could" vanish at "any time" like they sell it on a commission.


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SamusDrake wrote:
I'm assuming its a limited launch box set(Indomitus, Dominon, Kill Team: Octarius), but it is possible it could be a long-runner like the other Heresy-era game Adeptus Titanicus where the launch set, the Grand Master Edition, keeps coming back for more print runs due to high demand.

Personally I wouldn't mind a smaller set for The Horus Heresy because I've always fancied a small Thousand Sons patrol with their pre-40K colour scheme. Its very nice.

They've said several times that it's not a limited release and that it is the box for the edition.

Nipped back to GW and ordered the Carta Galactica for Heresy and Necromunda.

I love me a good fake map, and my new place has a lot of wall space in need of suitable decoration.

zanzibarthefirst wrote:
They released the index books at the beginning of 8th edition which were good value

They were still split among 4 books of which two were just for the Imperium.

 Eldarsif wrote:

zanzibarthefirst wrote:
They released the index books at the beginning of 8th edition which were good value

They were still split among 4 books of which two were just for the Imperium.

And the first got superseded in about 3 weeks.