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 Togusa wrote:

 Gert wrote:
I'm very much liking that GW seems to be making very chunky books for army rules. The Crusade Imperialis book was really good in 1.0 with 3 armies in one and it's good to see that become the benchmark instead of spreading everything into 7 or 8 individual books.

I wish they could just do this. Print a 150$ book with every data sheet in the game, 1 each for 40K, AoS, HH. Just fill it full of data sheets, nothing else. People will buy it.

I'm the exact opposite. I hate huge expensive tombs that only have 5 paragraphs of rules I actually need to check on during any given game. If I'm just reading it for the fun of reading it, cool, but for actual games I'm happy with a few pamphlet sized rulebooks, summarised on a couple of quick reference cards.

My HH transfers arrived today, so they seem to be sending those out in advance of the pre-orders.

*Edit* to be clear, I had only ordered the transfers, my pre-order is with a separate supplier rather than GW directly.

Nice to see we've all moved on from suggesting GW have deliberately made kits from 2022 incompatible with kits from 2015 to suggesting that GW are straight up lying about the new Heresy box being a limited release or not.

 Slinky wrote:
My HH transfers arrived today, so they seem to be sending those out in advance of the pre-orders.

*Edit* to be clear, I had only ordered the transfers, my pre-order is with a separate supplier rather than GW directly.

My IW dice have been shipped aswell

 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

 Slinky wrote:
My HH transfers arrived today, so they seem to be sending those out in advance of the pre-orders.

*Edit* to be clear, I had only ordered the transfers, my pre-order is with a separate supplier rather than GW directly.

My IW dice have been shipped aswell

As have my HH reaction tokens & cards freebies

This month's White Dwarf has the Zone Mortalis rules for HH2.0. You reckon the starter box minis will be a decent force for playing ZM with? 10 terminators, Contemptor, equip 10-20 beakies with special weapons, and so on?

 ekwatts wrote:
Nice to see we've all moved on from suggesting GW have deliberately made kits from 2022 incompatible with kits from 2015 to suggesting that GW are straight up lying about the new Heresy box being a limited release or not.

I'm not touching the special weapons thing with a 10 foot pole, but GW do have form for the "limited release or not" suspicion.

Cursed City was specifically said not to be a limited release by the GW social media team but a permanent item (like the previous Quests), then when it came up for pre-order they ran out of stock in a couple of hours (and stock for FLGS was very small), and responses were then 'Sorry, it's a limited release, that's all there is'. It then subsequently disappeared from the website entirely, and it basically got memory holed that it ever existed.

A *year later* it came back for a two week MTO run, and it's supposed to come back properly later this year.

So yes, warhammer community (not social media) have said that the AoD box is not limited, but they've also been wrong before many times on other articles (such as kit contents) that were subsequently quietly corrected. So not so much deliberate lying, but I can absolutely empathise with people not trusting GW 100% that it was going to continue to be easily available (if with a bit of a delay) after initial stock ran out. It's still available for pre-order for the 18th on GW proper and other places so looks fine so far, but dark sphere have their 'wave 2' pre-order of the AoD box currently listed as "Released: 6th August". Glad I got my pre-order in early!

Just to point out: it wasn't WarCom that said it wasn't limited, that came straight from the staffers on stream.

And the live stream was hosted on warcom... but fair enough.

 arkhanist wrote:
And the live stream was hosted on warcom... but fair enough.

It was actually hosted on the Warhammer Twitch channel with a direct feed on WarCom.

Christ, I'm looking forward to B&C coming back. My *point* was that it's more trustworthy than whatever the facebook team put out, given the latter seem to be as about as informed as the usual store manager. so that heresy remaining was more reliable than the cursed city statements -though a mistake was still possible. That the live stream is technically on a twitch backend I don't think alters that conclusion.

 tauist wrote:

 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

 Slinky wrote:
My HH transfers arrived today, so they seem to be sending those out in advance of the pre-orders.

*Edit* to be clear, I had only ordered the transfers, my pre-order is with a separate supplier rather than GW directly.

My IW dice have been shipped aswell

As have my HH reaction tokens & cards freebies

This month's White Dwarf has the Zone Mortalis rules for HH2.0. You reckon the starter box minis will be a decent force for playing ZM with? 10 terminators, Contemptor, equip 10-20 beakies with special weapons, and so on?

There are no special weapons in the box, so if your criteria for "decent" requires them, the answer is no - but if you're okay with bolters and bayonets, then yes.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I didn't catch it, but the "age of darkness box" isn't limited right?

GW has stated it is not limited - of course - GW may just be lying or the people saying this may be misinformed. All I will say is that it is better to buy this stuff sooner rather than later, because once it's out of production, buying it from another seller will not be cheap.

Mate. You can’t just decide they’re lying.

There’s no evidence at all this is a limited run set. At all.

Well they use term that has been 100% times been limited.

If you take their word at 100% value then you have to accept they are saying both limited and not limited at the same time.




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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
I didn't catch it, but the "age of darkness box" isn't limited right?

GW has stated it is not limited - of course - GW may just be lying or the people saying this may be misinformed. All I will say is that it is better to buy this stuff sooner rather than later, because once it's out of production, buying it from another seller will not be cheap.

They have said multiple times it's something that will be supporting in an ongoing manner.

They have said wrong stuff before.

Could also mean they will support HH and there will be non limited boxes later. You know like every other time so far they have been talking about launch sets...

In short all we know for sure is that HH is going to stay around. If somebody claims he knows for sure whether this is limited box or not and isn't part of GW inside stuff(ie the people who actually decides this stuff) I can instantly point to person who is quaranteed to be lying.

If you want to be sure you get one and want it it's safer to get one while you can. If you don't mind taking bit of risk you can leave it later.

Stop upholding Cursed City as the standard of what happens to releases. FFS stop pushing a FOMO mindset on a product that's going to see ongoing support.

Here here. We know now that Cursed City was a victim of the world events of 2020.


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 arkhanist wrote:

 ekwatts wrote:
Nice to see we've all moved on from suggesting GW have deliberately made kits from 2022 incompatible with kits from 2015 to suggesting that GW are straight up lying about the new Heresy box being a limited release or not.

I'm not touching the special weapons thing with a 10 foot pole, but GW do have form for the "limited release or not" suspicion.

Cursed City was specifically said not to be a limited release by the GW social media team but a permanent item (like the previous Quests), then when it came up for pre-order they ran out of stock in a couple of hours (and stock for FLGS was very small), and responses were then 'Sorry, it's a limited release, that's all there is'. It then subsequently disappeared from the website entirely, and it basically got memory holed that it ever existed.

A *year later* it came back for a two week MTO run, and it's supposed to come back properly later this year.

So yes, warhammer community (not social media) have said that the AoD box is not limited, but they've also been wrong before many times on other articles (such as kit contents) that were subsequently quietly corrected. So not so much deliberate lying, but I can absolutely empathise with people not trusting GW 100% that it was going to continue to be easily available (if with a bit of a delay) after initial stock ran out. It's still available for pre-order for the 18th on GW proper and other places so looks fine so far, but dark sphere have their 'wave 2' pre-order of the AoD box currently listed as "Released: 6th August". Glad I got my pre-order in early!

The real mystery is what was happening in the Spring of 2021 that might have impacted Cursed City? The world may never know, but I'm sick of wondering about what it Covid have been.

 arkhanist wrote:

 ekwatts wrote:
Nice to see we've all moved on from suggesting GW have deliberately made kits from 2022 incompatible with kits from 2015 to suggesting that GW are straight up lying about the new Heresy box being a limited release or not.

I'm not touching the special weapons thing with a 10 foot pole, but GW do have form for the "limited release or not" suspicion.

Cursed City was specifically said not to be a limited release by the GW social media team but a permanent item (like the previous Quests), then when it came up for pre-order they ran out of stock in a couple of hours (and stock for FLGS was very small), and responses were then 'Sorry, it's a limited release, that's all there is'. It then subsequently disappeared from the website entirely, and it basically got memory holed that it ever existed.

A *year later* it came back for a two week MTO run, and it's supposed to come back properly later this year.

So yes, warhammer community (not social media) have said that the AoD box is not limited, but they've also been wrong before many times on other articles (such as kit contents) that were subsequently quietly corrected. So not so much deliberate lying, but I can absolutely empathise with people not trusting GW 100% that it was going to continue to be easily available (if with a bit of a delay) after initial stock ran out. It's still available for pre-order for the 18th on GW proper and other places so looks fine so far, but dark sphere have their 'wave 2' pre-order of the AoD box currently listed as "Released: 6th August". Glad I got my pre-order in early!

Once bitten twice shy.

Or "trust, but check".

chaos0xomega wrote:

 tauist wrote:

 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

 Slinky wrote:
My HH transfers arrived today, so they seem to be sending those out in advance of the pre-orders.

*Edit* to be clear, I had only ordered the transfers, my pre-order is with a separate supplier rather than GW directly.

My IW dice have been shipped aswell

As have my HH reaction tokens & cards freebies

This month's White Dwarf has the Zone Mortalis rules for HH2.0. You reckon the starter box minis will be a decent force for playing ZM with? 10 terminators, Contemptor, equip 10-20 beakies with special weapons, and so on?

There are no special weapons in the box, so if your criteria for "decent" requires them, the answer is no - but if you're okay with bolters and bayonets, then yes.

Umm, no, sorry, I mean I bought the box + special weapons kit with the 60 weapons so that I can use em on the 40 beakies.. Special weapon squads would work well in Zone Mortalis, right? I do know that Blood Angels tacticals with chain bayonets are also rad, but they need some complementary fire support..

 Togusa wrote:


The real mystery is what was happening in the Spring of 2021 that might have impacted Cursed City? The world may never know, but I'm sick of wondering about what it Covid have been.

Yes, that mystery thing that had been going on for 15 months by that point, a disease that apparently causes amnesia.

They *could* have said "Sorry, we thought we'd made enough to last for ages, so it wasn't intended as a limited release, but it turns out demand was far higher than expected, and we'll work on restocking as soon as we can." or "Given current circumstances, it will be a long while before we can can make any more, and we're sorry that some missed out. We'll make it extremely clear next time when it's a big release whether we'll be able to restock or do a MTO if it runs out."

But this mystery disease made GW marketing forget how to communicate in English, and actually made them pretend like it didn't even release at all, let alone explain why they called it a normal range release when they knew damn well that it was in fact limited.

Personally, I think they have been clear enough that HH AoD IS here to stay, but you can't pretend Cursed City didn't happen and didn't damage people's trust in GW 'big box' availability. And while we're at it - Indomitus. Stores were told how many they would get, accepted pre-orders on that basis, then that stock allocation was hugely cut, leaving stores holding the bag on pre-orders they couldn't fulfill - as well as the main GW site locking people out and selling out extremely quickly. In that case, they did MTO more in order to fix it, which was the right call.

Trust is much easier to destroy than build, and GW goes out of their way to be opaque about the realities of manufacturing and what their plans are to deal with them.

 ekwatts wrote:
Nice to see we've all moved on from suggesting GW have deliberately made kits from 2022 incompatible with kits from 2015 to suggesting that GW are straight up lying about the new Heresy box being a limited release or not.

Deliberately lying? Or make mistake and mix words. Not like they haven't done before...


And whether or not it's limited one phrase from them is wrong so under your logic and incorrect being deliberately lie they are deliberately lying. They can't not have lied one way or other. Limited they lied, not limited they lied.

 arkhanist wrote:
Trust is much easier to destroy than build

Seemingly the other way around when it comes to GW's fanbase though.

Anyway,

I was looking over the original rumors from earlier in the year/last fall. There is mention of plastic Vindicators. How likely is that do you all think?

 Togusa wrote:
Anyway,

I was looking over the original rumors from earlier in the year/last fall. There is mention of plastic Vindicators. How likely is that do you all think?

Considering we're getting a plastic Deimos rhino I fully expect all rhino chassis vehicles to come out in plastic eventually. It'll just be an extra sprue.

 ScarletRose wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Anyway,

I was looking over the original rumors from earlier in the year/last fall. There is mention of plastic Vindicators. How likely is that do you all think?

Considering we're getting a plastic Deimos rhino I fully expect all rhino chassis vehicles to come out in plastic eventually. It'll just be an extra sprue.

Probably two. It looks like they've done a universal sponson sprue, much like the hatch and pintle sprue is shared between the Rhino and Kratos.

So Rhino base+ sponson sprue +big guns. But I'd honestly expect predator/whirlwind and destroyer/vinidcator to have separate sprues as well (at minimum)

 ScarletRose wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Anyway,

I was looking over the original rumors from earlier in the year/last fall. There is mention of plastic Vindicators. How likely is that do you all think?

Considering we're getting a plastic Deimos rhino I fully expect all rhino chassis vehicles to come out in plastic eventually. It'll just be an extra sprue.

Hopefully that includes the Predator as well. Another model I would just love to see come to plastic is the Legion Medusa. There is just so much I hope shows up in Plastic, I'd kill for Rapiers, Fire Raptors, Dreadclaws, Land Raider Achilles, Xyphon, Scimitar Bikes, Javelins, the Dorito, Saber Tanks, A dual Fellblade/Glaive, Cerberus/Falchion kit, MASTODONS! The Arquitor. So much stuff I really would like to see.

You know what, just convert the entire game to plastic and I'll buy it.

I'm looking forward to the predator. The sprues for all the new vehicles seem very well laid out to have multiple versions of each base chassis.

Hmm, also in favor of the other variants, I just realized (at least in US$) the heresy Deimos Rhino is the least expensive version of the Rhino on the GW site. Despite the pretty amazing weapon sprue

That suggests (to me, at least) an economy of scale mass production (by comparison the Sisters Rhino is the most expensive), and are probably using it for more kits.

Voss wrote:
Hmm, also in favor of the other variants, I just realized (at least in US$) the heresy Deimos Rhino is the least expensive version of the Rhino on the GW site. Despite the pretty amazing weapon sprue

That suggests (to me, at least) an economy of scale mass production (by comparison the Sisters Rhino is the most expensive), and are probably using it for more kits.

There are a few Squat marine hold outs in my area that have gone nuts trying to get the new plastic deimos, so it doesn't surprise me. Of the 8 total stores in my region I could shop from, NONE of them have them or can get them until August at the earliest.

 Togusa wrote:

Voss wrote:
Hmm, also in favor of the other variants, I just realized (at least in US$) the heresy Deimos Rhino is the least expensive version of the Rhino on the GW site. Despite the pretty amazing weapon sprue

That suggests (to me, at least) an economy of scale mass production (by comparison the Sisters Rhino is the most expensive), and are probably using it for more kits.

There are a few Squat marine hold outs in my area that have gone nuts trying to get the new plastic deimos, so it doesn't surprise me. Of the 8 total stores in my region I could shop from, NONE of them have them or can get them until August at the earliest.

It sold out on the GW site as well. After the MK 3s and 4s, but before the Kratos and special weapons, iirc.

I think GW finally grasped what their customers wanted with this.

Racerguy180 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the predator. The sprues for all the new vehicles seem very well laid out to have multiple versions of each base chassis.

Yeah the new basic (universal?) Rhino chassis sprue is missing the top deck, forward glacis, and exterior door/sponson mounts. Those are all on a separate sprue that can be swapped out.
The Rhino carrier version seems to be a half-sprue but has relatively few bits. I fully expect the Predator and Vindicator variants to have full-size sprues for their turret/sponsons and main gun/armour plates respectively. Especially if the Vindicator comes with the lascannon array option.
Similar to that the Spartan and Proteus will have different middle sections of the sides, with different numbers of wheels.

I hope they go together as well as they look like they should.

Full set of deimos vehicles will be very nice, and seems a racing certainty with the new rhino sprue layout. The resin ones are still up though, so presumably it will be a while. Plastic laser destroyer vindi would be icing on the cake for me, though I'm sure we'll see a predator sooner.

I'd love some javelins, but definitely prefer to wait for a plastic version!

 arkhanist wrote:
Full set of deimos vehicles will be very nice, and seems a racing certainty with the new rhino sprue layout. The resin ones are still up though, so presumably it will be a while. Plastic laser destroyer vindi would be icing on the cake for me, though I'm sure we'll see a predator sooner.

I'd love some javelins, but definitely prefer to wait for a plastic version!

This was the only thing stopping from adding one or 2 to my Salamanders FW upgrade order.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 arkhanist wrote:
Trust is much easier to destroy than build

Seemingly the other way around when it comes to GW's fanbase though.

I don't know, the fanbase never lets GW live anything down. Just look how long they beat the dead horse named "Squats".