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 blood reaper wrote:
Why are some people so desperate to get rid of original Space Marines? Why is this even a topic for discussion in the 30k thread?

Why discuss it here, someone suggested have 30k as a sphere people could use there old marines in means it wouldn’t hurt as bad if they got rid of old Marines in 40k, you could still use them. Hence why it’s being discussed. Is it going to happen, probably not.

As for why I want rid of old marines, that’s a topic for a different thread, but I wouldn’t say I am “desperate”, I just think it makes sense and would be a good move.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Far as I know, the only person here who definitely wants First Born's shuffled off this mortal coil is Crimson.

It's not that I particularly want that, but the current amount of marine datasheets and them being divided into two slightly different and mildly incompatible categories is a mess. I feel at some point it would be clearer if in 40K the primaris/non-primaris divide was removed;* it would just be assumed that all marines are primaris now, and datasheets would be consolidated. This would probably be mostly around primaris units, but people could use whichever models they want for them.

Though this made more sense when all the non-primaris kits were old and terribly proportioned, and it seemed likely GW would eventually phase them out. Now that they're committed to making new and decent looking non-primaris marines for HH, it makes certain sense to keep the rules for using them in 40K.

And if the non-primaris are to stay ion 40K, I really wish the minimise the incompatibility, allowing them to share transports etc. The current situation is super annoying.

(* It was a bad call in the first place to make the primaris to be some sort of different type of marine, instead of just being new marks of armour and other gear.)

 arkhanist wrote:

 ekwatts wrote:
Nice to see we've all moved on from suggesting GW have deliberately made kits from 2022 incompatible with kits from 2015 to suggesting that GW are straight up lying about the new Heresy box being a limited release or not.

I'm not touching the special weapons thing with a 10 foot pole, but GW do have form for the "limited release or not" suspicion.

Cursed City was specifically said not to be a limited release by the GW social media team but a permanent item (like the previous Quests), then when it came up for pre-order they ran out of stock in a couple of hours (and stock for FLGS was very small), and responses were then 'Sorry, it's a limited release, that's all there is'. It then subsequently disappeared from the website entirely, and it basically got memory holed that it ever existed.

A *year later* it came back for a two week MTO run, and it's supposed to come back properly later this year.

So yes, warhammer community (not social media) have said that the AoD box is not limited, but they've also been wrong before many times on other articles (such as kit contents) that were subsequently quietly corrected. So not so much deliberate lying, but I can absolutely empathise with people not trusting GW 100% that it was going to continue to be easily available (if with a bit of a delay) after initial stock ran out. It's still available for pre-order for the 18th on GW proper and other places so looks fine so far, but dark sphere have their 'wave 2' pre-order of the AoD box currently listed as "Released: 6th August". Glad I got my pre-order in early!

I think the situation with this is a bit different because the HH is the starter box for a whole system. They clearly intended to keep Cursed City in stock and something happened (yeah probably pandemic related with the cards printed in China) - hence a year later we have it again. Had they intended it to be a limited run, we'd have a different Warhammer Quest game at this point. Especially given the pretty negative reaction the actual *game* got compared to Blackstone Fortress. So the intent was for it to be kept in stock, they couldn't do that for whatever reason, so we ended up with no new Warhammer Quest for a year. Not a big deal.

The intent is for this to be a starter set for a new system. This means there are not other starter sets planned to come out in a few months. This is it. So while it's not impossible that they've underproduced and this goes out of stock, if it does they've killed the launch of their new system line as soon as it was born. All the marketing they've planned will be wasted as there's nothing to sell new players. Yes, that's what happened with Cursed City, but no-one gave a crap because it just meant they needed to swap out a few planned White Dwarf articles because no-one really cares about Warhammer Quest. They're not going to make that sort of mistake with something this big.

And every time they have used term launch set it's been limited...They could have used term starter set if it's starter set and not launch set.

One way or other GW is flat out saying incorrect thing.

Well. Get one while you can if you really want or wait accepting there's possibility you might not get one later. Whichever suits you.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I think the only people who want to see the first born moved entirely to the HH are those still despirate to be right about the idea that GW intends to Squat firstborn.

That makes zero sense. Why would anyone want to be right about that?

Specifically regarding OG marines? No idea personally. But I do know that there is a kind of person for whom Being Right is vastly more important than whatever it is that they are right about. Even, yes, if it’s to their own detriment. It seems bizarre to me but there you go; people gonna people. After all, isn’t that what the whole Heresy is about? People being people no matter how much you nerve-staple them.

There's noo way GW is going to legend firstborn. They are a classic brand within the franchise. It's like if Coka Cola stopped selling their red glass bottles with the red labels. Get over yourself.

Retro/Nostalghia is a huge seller in the whole gaming industry. GW isn't stupid to ignore a cash cow like that.

We got the MKVI "truescaled" in honour of their 35th birthday. I'm sure we will be seeing MKVII get a similar treatment when they turn 35

 tauist wrote:
There's noo way GW is going to legend firstborn. They are a classic brand within the franchise. It's like if Coka Cola stopped selling their red glass bottles with the red labels. Get over yourself.

Retro/Nostalghia is a huge seller in the whole gaming industry. GW isn't stupid to ignore a cash cow like that.

We got the MKVI "truescaled" in honour of their 35th birthday. I'm sure we will be seeing MKVII get a similar treatment when they turn 35

I agree with crimson that it would be simpler and I think a good idea but I don’t think it will ever happen and I am not out campaigning for it.

Can we talk about heresy instead now?

Has anyone done a write up of the zone mortalis rules from white dwarf? I've not been able to find one or get to a shop. Thinking it will be a good way to get playing quickly when the new edition drops and everyone is busy getting their armies ready

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How much Mk.VII was around during the Horus Heresy? Was Mk.VIII a post-Heresy thing?

WD Article from #369 says:

Very limitled "test run" use on both sides during the Siege of Terra. Larger "pre series" production during the Scouring. Mass production after the "restructuring of the Legions".

FW wrote:Choose your side and get ready to unleash the might of the Mechanicum in Warhammer: The Horus Heresy. Learn more about their new army book here: https://bit.ly/3aIfTZS

That trait looks bonkers, double reactions and massive buffs during enemy turn for the small price of one HQ being a non-combatant during your turn?

No Scoria? Unless he's in the appendix under Persona Schismata?

 tauist wrote:
There's noo way GW is going to legend firstborn. They are a classic brand within the franchise. It's like if Coka Cola stopped selling their red glass bottles with the red labels. Get over yourself.

Retro/Nostalghia is a huge seller in the whole gaming industry. GW isn't stupid to ignore a cash cow like that.

We got the MKVI "truescaled" in honour of their 35th birthday. I'm sure we will be seeing MKVII get a similar treatment when they turn 35

Coke doesn't typically come in glass bottles in the US.

Good stuff. Disappointed to see the Ordo Reductor doesn't appear in the book nor the Minotaur. The Arlatax making appearance is a surprise considering it has no model at present

Wellp, thats a nail in the coffin of any rumors about 40k Mechanicus being ported over to 30k Mechanicum.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I think the only people who want to see the first born moved entirely to the HH are those still despirate to be right about the idea that GW intends to Squat firstborn.

That makes zero sense. Why would anyone want to be right about that?

Who knows why madmen do what they do?

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

Personally, I hope the firstborn get squatted because I just like Primaris better and think that having firstborn and primaris marines in the same codex is creating balance issues for both. So somethings gotta give, and its not primaris marines.

 tauist wrote:
There's noo way GW is going to legend firstborn. They are a classic brand within the franchise. It's like if Coka Cola stopped selling their red glass bottles with the red labels. Get over yourself.
Retro/Nostalghia is a huge seller in the whole gaming industry. GW isn't stupid to ignore a cash cow like that.
We got the MKVI "truescaled" in honour of their 35th birthday. I'm sure we will be seeing MKVII get a similar treatment when they turn 35

Yep, and that classic brand within the franchise now has a place in Horus Heresy, aka "Space Marines: the Tabletop Game" whereas Primaris marines have space to become the new brand for the modern face of the franchise in 40k, similar to how the classic brand known as Warhammer Fantasy Battle got killed off and replaced with Age of Sigmar, except this time GW was smart enough to implement the "old folks home" (i.e. HH) before axing the classic brand, unlike the WHFB approach of axing the setting and introducing the new brand and then developing the old folks home later (i.e. The Old World).

I don't know much about HH Mechanicum but just by comparing to current Forgeworld kits there are no Secutarii, no Termite Assault Drill and both Dark Mechanicum characters are missing.
(Characters might be hidden in the Persona Schismata)

 Matrindur wrote:
I don't know much about HH Mechanicum but just by comparing to current Forgeworld kits there are no Secutarii, no Termite Assault Drill and both Dark Mechanicum characters are missing.

Yeah - unless they're hidden in the Appendix.

Persona Schismata might be where the characters are.

 Matrindur wrote:
I don't know much about HH Mechanicum but just by comparing to current Forgeworld kits there are no Secutarii, no Termite Assault Drill and both Dark Mechanicum characters are missing.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the Termite quietly got the axe because tournament folks like goonhammer push it so hard as the default transport for chaos armies in 40k.

Voss wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
I don't know much about HH Mechanicum but just by comparing to current Forgeworld kits there are no Secutarii, no Termite Assault Drill and both Dark Mechanicum characters are missing.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the Termite quietly got the axe because tournament folks like goonhammer push it so hard as the default transport for chaos armies in 40k.

But Marines can still use it, thats what confuses me the most about that

I'm not crazy, am I? The Macrocarid Explorator isn't there, right?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm not crazy, am I? The Macrocarid Explorator isn't there, right?

Legacy unit PDF probably. No mini no rules again.

Yeah, where is the explorator? Mine’s sitting on my shelf right now, looking sad….

Did they discontinue the model?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
No mini no rules again.

But... but it has a mini! I've got one!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
No mini no rules again.

But... but it has a mini! I've got one!

Can you find it on the Forge World site? I thought it got discontinued a while back.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
No mini no rules again.

But... but it has a mini! I've got one!

Sorry buddy, no refunds.

Billicus wrote:
Can we talk about heresy instead now?

Has anyone done a write up of the zone mortalis rules from white dwarf? I've not been able to find one or get to a shop. Thinking it will be a good way to get playing quickly when the new edition drops and everyone is busy getting their armies ready

WD 477 with the zone mortalis rules isn't out yet - it goes to retail on the 17th, though subscribers may have it this weekend.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
No mini no rules again.

But... but it has a mini! I've got one!

Can you find it on the Forge World site? I thought it got discontinued a while back.

it was discontinued a while ago. Moulding problems were rumoured why it was pulled. Similar to the Ordinatus Saggitar which isn't listed either

I think it's a fairly safe bet the Liber Mechanicum won't have any models associated with it. It was always an extreme long shot, and since the article makes no mention of anything of the sort, I've already placed a small wager on it.

Talk about underwhelming Heresy Thursday since we already know Liber Mechanicum is coming.
Was really hoping to see Exodus or even Corswain finally, so close to release.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.