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Crispy78 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:

 Ernestas wrote:
I'm just afraid that I have to leave my city for whole week and during this time I will be stuck in my parents house during nation wide quarantine.

Is that really a big deal? A week is not long.

A week in close confinement with your parents?

Cooking food for me? And also with models to paint, TV / Netflix / video games...? Yeah, I'd take that.

Yea, every day I will get something new to eat and it will be so much of it. I always get fatter after just weekend of being there. I just hope that country will not get shut down and I could escape with busses back to my home. Week there is already nightmarish, I would hate being stuck for few weeks more there.


I also had purchased long lasting food yesterday for 40 euros. I don't need it right now, but you never know. People are already cleaning stores out of key food groups. Bread, meat, rice, etc. are gone. So it is better to get all this stuff now in order to have some reserves in case of emergency.

It's not impossible to be re-infected with a virus. I had German Measles three times as a child.

However, on re-infection your body already has a more powerful immune response and will fight off the virus quickly.

(Read or watch Cells At Work for more information about this.)


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 Kilkrazy wrote:
It's not impossible to be re-infected with a virus. I had German Measles three times as a child.

However, on re-infection your body already has a more powerful immune response and will fight off the virus quickly.

(Read or watch Cells At Work for more information about this.)


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In other virus news, a Japanese wife friend of my wife was sworn and spat at in Lidl for being oriental.

Orient, do i mix that up but orient for me is middle east and ex ottoman territory.

Also, hip hip huray, that will achieve anything.... (not only is it highly stupid behaviour but also increases potential contamination. Great job! I swear..)



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Honest question, this surprises me a bit, do non of your governments reccomend / force you to have reserves of food and other necessities?

 Kilkrazy wrote:

In other virus news, a Japanese wife friend of my wife was sworn and spat at in Lidl for being oriental.

That is terrible! A man in Germany sprayed his chinese neighbours with disinfectant.

If any of us see something like that, I hope we all have the courage to say something on behalf of the person being abused. Disgraceful behaviour.

Not Online!!! wrote:


Honest question, this surprises me a bit, do non of your governments reccomend / force you to have reserves of food and other necessities?

Governments forcing people to do things is generally seen as something undesirable here (thankfully, and for good reason)


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 Da Boss wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

In other virus news, a Japanese wife friend of my wife was sworn and spat at in Lidl for being oriental.

That is terrible! A man in Germany sprayed his chinese neighbours with disinfectant.

If any of us see something like that, I hope we all have the courage to say something on behalf of the person being abused. Disgraceful behaviour.

There's always going to be stupid people. I mean, if youre that concerned about hygeine, maybe spitting is something you shouldnt do.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:


Honest question, this surprises me a bit, do non of your governments reccomend / force you to have reserves of food and other necessities?

Governments forcing people to do things is generally seen as something undesirable here (thankfully, and for good reason)

That is a great attitute to have. except it aint but then again i can't blame you what with parlamentarian primate you got going.
Still would be one off the better reglementations for preparation and emergency issues.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:


Honest question, this surprises me a bit, do non of your governments reccomend / force you to have reserves of food and other necessities?

Governments forcing people to do things is generally seen as something undesirable here (thankfully, and for good reason)

That is a great attitute to have. except it aint but then again i can't blame you what with parlamentarian primate you got going.
Still would be one off the better reglementations for preparation and emergency issues.

Its just liberty. Governments can advise, but excessive legislation is something most liberals balk against. its how we differ from Europeans, who are much more receptive to higher levels of legislation. Its the main reason for our departure in my opinon, but we digress into dangerous waters here.

The thing is different countries experience different things. The UK (esp in the last 100-50 years) has had milder and milder winters and generally doesn't get extreme weather events like hurricanes. As a result the population is pretty much not used to disasters on a massive scale. We get floods or droughts from time to time, but they are often very regional things and might affect a population group one year; but another year affect an entirely different segment of the country.

As a result there's no inherent "need" felt within the population to be "disaster ready". Thus any government instruction to be ready would be looked down upon. Considering that over the last 10 or so years foodbanks have risen to become quite commonplace; turning around to a population showing issues with food provision to then be mandated to hold reserves would be looked down upon greatly. That said, of course, the government does keep reserves of food and other supplies - though I've no idea how much nor the natureof what is stored etc...


Of course more remote northern regions like Scotland you would likely see many holding reserves for a few months in readiness for a bad winter. Meanwhile in the south people might keep a torch and a few candles in case the power goes out for a few hours. Again different segments of the population even within a country experience different things. Telling all the south to be ready for a bad winter with winter stocks would just look daft; whilst for scotland many wouldn't need to be told.

Yeah, that is why the UK never had internment without trial or any of that. Especially not in the 70s. Or the military shooting people in the street. Because ye love liberty.

Dangerous waters indeed.

appeal to history, irrelevant to a debate centered around modern time

Yeah the 70s til the 90s are the distant past.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:


Honest question, this surprises me a bit, do non of your governments reccomend / force you to have reserves of food and other necessities?

Governments forcing people to do things is generally seen as something undesirable here (thankfully, and for good reason)

That is a great attitute to have. except it aint but then again i can't blame you what with parlamentarian primate you got going.
Still would be one off the better reglementations for preparation and emergency issues.

Its just liberty. Governments can advise, but excessive legislation is something most liberals balk against. its how we differ from Europeans, who are much more receptive to higher levels of legislation. Its the main reason for our departure in my opinon, but we digress into dangerous waters here.

Meh, that'd be true, if you'd talk about european doctrine here, switzerland kinda, bypassess that beeing technically an Arch-liberal country though, but i guess it helps when you make people the government and had some rather nasty surprises during WW1 in regards too food shortages.

Not Online!!! wrote:



Honest question, this surprises me a bit, do non of your governments reccomend / force you to have reserves of food and other necessities?

Not yet, and I pray to who- or whatever is out there that it won't be neccessary. No idea if it's the right call but I think there's also something to be said for keeping the food supply chain as normalized as possible for as long as possible. Reason being that if the government tells you to stock up on essentials those essentials won't magically come into being. Production rates have a limit, so if everyone starts to stock up we end up in a very creepy Darwinist "first come first serve" situation leading to some people being overstocked and other people not having said essentials. Which will lead to them being at much more risk to develop severe symptoms if they do catch the virus, which will lead to the medical system collapsing sooner, which in turn will lead to more deaths. It's a vicious cycle really.

Yesterday I wanted to buy some acetominophen to reduce fever if I catch COVID-19 and was rather scared to see that the shelves were empty at my usual store. Still found some elsewhere. Never been so happy with a bloody box of pills and I hope that that's as bad as it's gonna get.

Thee german government recommended everyone to have a stock of food and water back during the worst of the terrorist incidents. I just kept the stock up, as it is pretty easy.

Our govt. issued announcement that so far, they do not plan to close cities down or close stores. Which honestly makes sense, we already had panic-buying of cleaning products and dry foods, if they were to close down stores, it'd just pack maximum number of people into shopping malls and ensure even easier spread of the virus.

I refuse to discuss the working-poor culling plans of current UK government here.

I dont think our response is that bad. I just think we have a tendency to be more reserved than a lot of other places. People saying we're either not doing enough, or even acting maliciously, because we're not doing the same as other countries, are fear mongering.

I think the UK is trying to follow the scientists, actually. I just hope their scientists have it right. I guess we will see.

there are a lot of considerations. for example if you take all your kids out of schools and nurseries, you will then inevitably have less health workers, emergency response personnel etc available as parents have to stay at home.

Yep. That was the calculus in Germany. Schools are still offering childcare for healthcare workers here, apparently. At least where I am.
That might be what they do in the UK too.
I feel sorry for my students. Their exams are very soon.

 Da Boss wrote:
I think the UK is trying to follow the scientists, actually. I just hope their scientists have it right. I guess we will see.

Hopefully they are better than the ones who say "sing god save the queen"

Then again UK gov said people are sick of experts. Why would goverment listen experts now? They are after all just useless annoyance.

Ix-nay on the politics, eh?

 Da Boss wrote:
I think the UK is trying to follow the scientists, actually. I just hope their scientists have it right. I guess we will see.

Governments of other european countries which did shut down schools or public events are, I assume, not following the specialists' advice?

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

You can't get the same virus twice, well, you can but you are immune to it, thats how viruses work....you could get a different strain, but not the exact same one.

Thats absolutely not true. Just because you survive a disease once doesn't necessarily mean you are immune to it, virus or not. It just means you will have some level of resistance to it. Weather that is enough to be immune to it is dependent on many variables.

We've already had a few people come down with this very virus twice, so we know it can happen.

Patently false. When you defeat a virus you develop antigens, these stay in your body....usually forever, but in some rare instances its a matter of years, not days, not months...years. This is the whole reason vaccines work. They inject you with an inoculated version of the virus, your body fights it off an now you are protected. Now there are certain individuals whose bodies are unable to hold on to those antigens for very long, but they are few and far between, these are usually people with very compromised immune systems for one reason or another . Viruses can also mutate, but then its not the same virus, its a different strain. A normally healthy human will not get the same virus twice.

Professor of immunology (missed his name) has just been on BBC Politics Live talking about how coronavirus immunity wanes over a year or two.

Had a bit of a scare - GF's job has two coworkers that have it. Her building didnt even shut down. They had some call about having a "Deep Clean" in the office. Few buildings in one area straight shut down in the city'. I'm going to spend all morning at work telling clients to drive from NYC to Newark today for a few deal or figuring out some way to handle POAs and esigning legal docs

Yet the city is reporting only one case on the news.... nice. Getting a lot of vibes of people brushing things under the rug.



My step mom is a nurse and mentioned they have a few cases but HIPAA and so on doesnt allow her to talk about it. She's over 60 so she's taking PTO that was approved due to her age

Cronch wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
I think the UK is trying to follow the scientists, actually. I just hope their scientists have it right. I guess we will see.

Governments of other european countries which did shut down schools or public events are, I assume, not following the specialists' advice?

Different specialists, different demographics, different health systems etc.

I don't know if Vallance and Whitty* are right about their strategy, but I do believe that it is their strategy that is being followed. I have no reason to assume that UK authorities are just having a punt. They'd be found out in a month or two ad they'd all end their careers, some might well go to jail, and Johnson would kill a massive swathe of his party's voters.

*That's Sir Patrick Vallance FRS FMedSci FRCP, Chief Scientific Advisor and ex-president of medical R&D at a major pharma international and ex-professor of medicine and head of Division of Medicine at UCL, and Prof. Chris Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci, Chief Medical Officer and head of National Institute for Health Research who took a major role in controlling the ebola outbreak of the mid 2010s. And their teams.

Cronch wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
I think the UK is trying to follow the scientists, actually. I just hope their scientists have it right. I guess we will see.

Governments of other european countries which did shut down schools or public events are, I assume, not following the specialists' advice?

Specialists and scientists are not always unified in their advice on a course of action to follow. Sometimes there's variation and different countries might have different scientific understanding and interpretation and thus take different pathways. That's without considering differences in infrastructure and community etc.. Eg I'm not surprised that regions like Hong Kong can shut things down and greatly restrict the public's mobility far more so and with more community support than some western nations.


Furthermore sometimes there is no right answer or no proven method. So everyone experiments and some follow others and others take different pathways.

Cronch wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
I think the UK is trying to follow the scientists, actually. I just hope their scientists have it right. I guess we will see.

Governments of other european countries which did shut down schools or public events are, I assume, not following the specialists' advice?

I just assume they are recieving different advice. Experts do not always agree.

I despise the current UK government but we don't know who is right atm.


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Andew1975: It is antibodies that are produced, antigens are the chemicals which induce an immune response.

The antibodies help enormously with immunity, but they are not foolproof.

Furthermore sometimes there is no right answer or no proven method.

This is a case of contagious disease. It's not some terra nova, it's something that has been dealt with in the past. Isolation is a proven method. Coronavirus isn't some magical being that can teleport, it needs to have contact between carrier and new victims. By not shutting down public gatherings at the very least, you are allowing unchecked spread.

It's no skin off my back, but I'd think people would be more concerned about something that has 15% mortality rate among 65+ group....

Cronch wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
I think the UK is trying to follow the scientists, actually. I just hope their scientists have it right. I guess we will see.

Governments of other european countries which did shut down schools or public events are, I assume, not following the specialists' advice?

This is one of the few instances where the "experts" have been questionable so far. WHO has been up to some sketchy business and Tedros isn't exactly squeaky clean himself. Tedros has been caught covering up Cholera outbreaks in his home country by calling it "acute watery diarrhea", tried to appoint Mugabe as a Goodwill ambassador, and previously was Ethiopia's foreign minister while they were committing human rights violations. Tedros Sauce: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/13/health/candidate-who-director-general-ethiopia-cholera-outbreaks.html

Its a little worrying when the supposed experts get caught covering up epidemics, push to get Traditional Chinese Medicine recognized by WHO without clinical evidence to support its effectiveness, and Tedros' home country had 78M of debt forgiven by China about a month before TCM was recognized.

It is unfortunate if the figureheads of these organisations are not as good as we would like them to be, but the WHO is still the best chance we have for co-ordination against this pandemic and is made up of many more people than one man.