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The voting discussion is interesting, but definitely politics.

Volatility in the market is great. I love this gak, personally.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

It's one of those situations where as a company you are 100% damned if you damned if you don't. Tell everyone to keep coming to work? You're the bad guy cause you're contributing to the virus' spread. Tell everyone to stay home? You're the bad guy because something like 80% of people live paycheck to paycheck and don't have a month's worth of savings to wait for all this to blow over.

Easy solution, pay your workers sick pay so it isn't a choice between money and spread disease or get kicked out of their home while they try to prevent the spread of the disease.

That situation is entirely of these companies own design, where they have fought tooth and nail against worker rights which would actually serve to protect their business in the long run.

Welcome to the crucible. i warned of this dilemma on the early pages of this thread and got laughed at for my efforts. Now it is the emerging reality. As stated then, it is also a potential catalyst for change. Big business if king in the US, but events like this can easily topple crowns. This is early days still for COVID-19 and things have the potential to get much worse. Once society insists that people self isolate and yet they dont/wont/cant because of draconian management practices there will be leverage for change. This still does not guarantee reform though, you have to want it badly enough to mount stronger will than the pushback from corporate lobbyists.

However if COVID-19 really bites deep and large scale isolation is required, something will have to give, and with the stakes potentially being very high it might not be the populace who backs down this time.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The voting discussion is interesting, but definitely politics.

Macro scale human interaction is inevitably political. We can discuss the thread topic and its directly political ramifications if we are cautious enough to keep the focus primarily on the virus or the social effects of its passing.

 Orlanth wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

It's one of those situations where as a company you are 100% damned if you damned if you don't. Tell everyone to keep coming to work? You're the bad guy cause you're contributing to the virus' spread. Tell everyone to stay home? You're the bad guy because something like 80% of people live paycheck to paycheck and don't have a month's worth of savings to wait for all this to blow over.

Easy solution, pay your workers sick pay so it isn't a choice between money and spread disease or get kicked out of their home while they try to prevent the spread of the disease.

That situation is entirely of these companies own design, where they have fought tooth and nail against worker rights which would actually serve to protect their business in the long run.

Welcome to the crucible. i warned of this dilemma on the early pages of this thread and got laughed at for my efforts. Now it is the emerging reality. As stated then, it is also a potential catalyst for change. Big business if king in the US, but events like this can easily topple crowns. This is early days still for COVID-19 and things have the potential to get much worse. Once society insists that people self isolate and yet they dont/wont/cant because of draconian management practices there will be leverage for change. This still does not guarantee reform though, you have to want it badly enough to mount stronger will than the pushback from corporate lobbyists.
However if COVID-19 really bites deep and large scale isolation is required, something will have to give, and with the stakes potentially being very high it might not be the populace who backs down this time.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The voting discussion is interesting, but definitely politics.

Macro scale human interaction is inevitably political. We can discuss the thread topic and its directly political ramifications if we are cautious enough to keep the focus primarily on the virus or the social effects of its passing.

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind the slime of a new bureaucracy.

Roberts84 wrote:
Volatility in the market is great. I love this gak, personally.

Very cool, right? So awesome that regular working people like Nurses and Teachers and people working retail are having their Super wiped out. Luckily the rich have enough safety net that they'll be (financially) fine whatever happens. Gerry Harvey lost AU$15m the other day and just shrugged.

Adepticon has now formally cancelled the event for the year
https://www.adepticon.org/2020/03/12/adepticon-2020-has-been-cancelled/

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
UK has statutory sick pay, so we have more of a safety net than you guys do. Government has just said it will fully reimburse small businesses (<250 employees) for the cost of providing 14 days sick pay per employee for this. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-for-employees-employers-and-businesses

That's really cool. One can take a perverse satisfaction in the notion that the group of people who are complaining the most about not being able to work and earn their living due to the virus (millenials, zoomers), are also largely part of the group that basically refused to show up at the polls last Tuesday and vote for the guy who wants to implement more safety net programs for just this sort of situation.

Alternatively, the people who couldn't afford to show up because they're struggling to make ends meet as it is.

It's funny how this is the only argument people ever make to try to defend the abysmal voter turn out for young people.

Every single recreational activity in the world is completely dominated by people in the range of 18-40 or so, yet coincidentally, when voting time comes around I'm supposed to believe that thousands upon thousands of 22 year olds just can't make it to the ballot box for an hour, no matter how hard they tried.

Like, I'm sure that a small number of 20 year olds are working three jobs and have two kids and maybe live in some rural craphole where traveling to the ballot box is hard and they genuinely can't make it out to vote. But that's absolutely not the situation for the extreme majority of the youth.

On the other hand, the old people that make the young people work without sick days are the ones that will be dropping like flies.

 Azazelx wrote:

Roberts84 wrote:
Volatility in the market is great. I love this gak, personally.

Very cool, right? So awesome that regular working people like Nurses and Teachers and people working retail are having their Super wiped out. Luckily the rich have enough safety net that they'll be (financially) fine whatever happens. Gerry Harvey lost AU$15m the other day and just shrugged.

lol nobody is having their super 'wiped out', if that's happening to anyone they need a better fund. If you're worried get your Service provider to switch out your investments from growth assets into something else to insulate your super from volatility which will be short-term.

So, work sent me home because of the possibility i might have been exposed
last monday i saw a client and his father just started showing symptoms. However, i have not seen them since.
But im not worried really, the father said he got it Saturday at the airport.
So like, work said i get special compensation for it and im just gonna stay home.

 Overread wrote:
Adepticon has now formally cancelled the event for the year
https://www.adepticon.org/2020/03/12/adepticon-2020-has-been-cancelled/

I wasn't going anyway, but I have many friends who were planning to, so kind of a bummer.

On topic - I know touching your face is dangerous, but putting your paintbrush in your mouth to reshape the tip mid-paint-session is still safe, right?

Can people stop panic buying toilet rolls please. I'd like to wipe my ass. Thanks.

 ValentineGames wrote:
Can people stop panic buying toilet rolls please. I'd like to wipe my ass. Thanks.

Seconded. I had to buy one-ply store brand because it was all they had left and I'm not quite to the sponge stage level of despair just yet.

 Hoitash wrote:

 ValentineGames wrote:
Can people stop panic buying toilet rolls please. I'd like to wipe my ass. Thanks.

Seconded. I had to buy one-ply store brand because it was all they had left and I'm not quite to the sponge stage level of despair just yet.

If you ever get that desperate just use your shower when you have to clean off your rear. Believe me it does a much better job anyway. Toilet paper is more for convenience and if you take regular showers. Which you should shower regularly and that's something a lot of us socially inept nerds should try more of. I used to be guilty of this too in the past but it's good to do.

I realize this might come off as not knowledgeable enough but has anybody tried looking for a cure based on the people that have gotten over being sick from corona virus. Perhaps the people that get better and have a newfound immunity can be used for a cure? I am big on science but I was never big on biology so if this is way above my pay grade (Which it should be) then let me know. Is it a worthwhile thought though?

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:

 ValentineGames wrote:
Can people stop panic buying toilet rolls please. I'd like to wipe my ass. Thanks.

Seconded. I had to buy one-ply store brand because it was all they had left and I'm not quite to the sponge stage level of despair just yet.

If you ever get that desperate just use your shower when you have to clean off your rear. Believe me it does a much better job anyway. Toilet paper is more for convenience and if you take regular showers. Which you should shower regularly and that's something a lot of us socially inept nerds should try more of. I used to be guilty of this too in the past but it's good to do.

I realize this might come off as not knowledgeable enough but has anybody tried looking for a cure based on the people that have gotten over being sick from corona virus. Perhaps the people that get better and have a newfound immunity can be used for a cure? I am big on science but I was never big on biology so if this is way above my pay grade (Which it should be) then let me know. Is it a worthwhile thought though?

Growing up in QLD Australia I couldn't believe when travelling to the states and the UK that people didn't shower every day. I tend to shower twice day.

Yeah well we don't all live in a ridiculously hot place like Australia where I imagine you're caked in sweat just for merely existing there.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:

 ValentineGames wrote:
Can people stop panic buying toilet rolls please. I'd like to wipe my ass. Thanks.

Seconded. I had to buy one-ply store brand because it was all they had left and I'm not quite to the sponge stage level of despair just yet.

If you ever get that desperate just use your shower when you have to clean off your rear. Believe me it does a much better job anyway. Toilet paper is more for convenience and if you take regular showers. Which you should shower regularly and that's something a lot of us socially inept nerds should try more of. I used to be guilty of this too in the past but it's good to do.

Wanna laugh. When stocking up I did a google search to find if the three seashells was actually a thing.

I am in trouble, the crisis is only beginning and I am down to my last 150 already. Used some last year and didn't replace.

Tip: The is a run on certain items but not others, yet. BUY TINS NOW, and rice too as there has yet to be a run on the rice. It's not panic buying if you stock up now before the run. Postpone hobby expenditure and do this now, you wont regret even this much prepping.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

I realize this might come off as not knowledgeable enough but has anybody tried looking for a cure based on the people that have gotten over being sick from corona virus. Perhaps the people that get better and have a newfound immunity can be used for a cure? I am big on science but I was never big on biology so if this is way above my pay grade (Which it should be) then let me know. Is it a worthwhile thought though?

Got bad news here. It appears that you can be reinfected. I dont know how this is a thing but people have been reported to have had coronavirus twice. It might be press hearsay or muddled testing, I so hope it is; fairly calm about this crisis, but this is a big question mark in the back of my mind.

 ValentineGames wrote:
Can people stop panic buying toilet rolls please. I'd like to wipe my ass. Thanks.

I know the pain. My wife picked up some today when doing normal grocery shopping and got the last roll in the store (normal supermarket). The cashier said that they were allegedly out at our local target and walmart as well.

My local library is selling James Patterson books for a quarter, and with media mail I can ship about 20 books for $7. You don't even have to be desperate to wipe with a Patterson book. I'll be happy to hook you all up.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
My local library is selling James Patterson books for a quarter, and with media mail I can ship about 20 books for $7. You don't even have to be desperate to wipe with a Patterson book. I'll be happy to hook you all up.

How it happens. You are transitioning from normal life to apocalypse and are destroying books already.

 Orlanth wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
My local library is selling James Patterson books for a quarter, and with media mail I can ship about 20 books for $7. You don't even have to be desperate to wipe with a Patterson book. I'll be happy to hook you all up.

How it happens. You are transitioning from normal life to apocalypse and are destroying books already.

James Patterson branded paper aren't books....

 Orlanth wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:

 ValentineGames wrote:
Can people stop panic buying toilet rolls please. I'd like to wipe my ass. Thanks.

Seconded. I had to buy one-ply store brand because it was all they had left and I'm not quite to the sponge stage level of despair just yet.

If you ever get that desperate just use your shower when you have to clean off your rear. Believe me it does a much better job anyway. Toilet paper is more for convenience and if you take regular showers. Which you should shower regularly and that's something a lot of us socially inept nerds should try more of. I used to be guilty of this too in the past but it's good to do.

Wanna laugh. When stocking up I did a google search to find if the three seashells was actually a thing.

I am in trouble, the crisis is only beginning and I am down to my last 150 already. Used some last year and didn't replace.

Tip: The is a run on certain items but not others, yet. BUY TINS NOW, and rice too as there has yet to be a run on the rice. It's not panic buying if you stock up now before the run. Postpone hobby expenditure and do this now, you wont regret even this much prepping.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

I realize this might come off as not knowledgeable enough but has anybody tried looking for a cure based on the people that have gotten over being sick from corona virus. Perhaps the people that get better and have a newfound immunity can be used for a cure? I am big on science but I was never big on biology so if this is way above my pay grade (Which it should be) then let me know. Is it a worthwhile thought though?

Got bad news here. It appears that you can be reinfected. I dont know how this is a thing but people have been reported to have had coronavirus twice. It might be press hearsay or muddled testing, I so hope it is; fairly calm about this crisis, but this is a big question mark in the back of my mind.

You can't get the same virus twice, well, you can but you are immune to it, thats how viruses work....you could get a different strain, but not the exact same one.

Either way it sounds like it's better than no option at all. Maybe it's something to look into until they have more info.

The toilet paper aisles in every store I visited were completely empty. As was the rice and pasta at every grocery store.
Man, Dean Koontz got it right....

 Andrew1975 wrote:

You can't get the same virus twice, well, you can but you are immune to it, thats how viruses work....you could get a different strain, but not the exact same one.

Thats absolutely not true. Just because you survive a disease once doesn't necessarily mean you are immune to it, virus or not. It just means you will have some level of resistance to it. Weather that is enough to be immune to it is dependent on many variables.

We've already had a few people come down with this very virus twice, so we know it can happen.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

You can't get the same virus twice, well, you can but you are immune to it, thats how viruses work....you could get a different strain, but not the exact same one.

Thats absolutely not true. Just because you survive a disease once doesn't necessarily mean you are immune to it, virus or not. It just means you will have some level of resistance to it. Weather that is enough to be immune to it is dependent on many variables.

We've already had a few people come down with this very virus twice, so we know it can happen.

Patently false. When you defeat a virus you develop antigens, these stay in your body....usually forever, but in some rare instances its a matter of years, not days, not months...years. This is the whole reason vaccines work. They inject you with an inoculated version of the virus, your body fights it off an now you are protected. Now there are certain individuals whose bodies are unable to hold on to those antigens for very long, but they are few and far between, these are usually people with very compromised immune systems for one reason or another . Viruses can also mutate, but then its not the same virus, its a different strain. A normally healthy human will not get the same virus twice.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Yeah well we don't all live in a ridiculously hot place like Australia where I imagine you're caked in sweat just for merely existing there.

Pretty much. 18C is considered cold here.

Maybe in Qld. Not for the entire continent, though.

 Azazelx wrote:
Maybe in Qld. Not for the entire continent, though.

Most of it. NSW gets hot as feth and so does Victoria just not as consistently.

Pretty much just Tasmania that gets proper cold on the regular.

I can guarantee you everyone in Sydney and Melbourne is showering once per day lol

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
If you ever get that desperate just use your shower when you have to clean off your rear. Believe me it does a much better job anyway. Toilet paper is more for convenience and if you take regular showers. Which you should shower regularly and that's something a lot of us socially inept nerds should try more of. I used to be guilty of this too in the past but it's good to do.

If only the place I live in had the luxury of a working shower... That'd be heavenly.
Though I don't think the others living there want a half stripped gakky ass walking upstairs from the downstairs toilet even if it did function.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Yeah well we don't all live in a ridiculously hot place like Australia where I imagine you're caked in sweat just for merely existing there.

Yes, because everyone in the world doesnt adapt to their environment...