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Can foreign nationals not be average joes :( ? Average Johannes, surely!

 Necros wrote:
Personally virus or not I think everyone who can work remotely should work remotely, like forever. If anything just to cut down on traffic and smog. But that's another rant for another thread.

Yes, but only if your work pay for your heating and electricity and pay partial rent during your work hours.

Sorry, back on topic...

Scottish government have asked for gatherings over 500 people to be cancelled from Monday and are forcing cancellation of any that require police out paramedic support.

I'm guessing school and university closure will be announced soon.

 Da Boss wrote:
Can foreign nationals not be average joes :( ? Average Johannes, surely!

Poorly phrased but yeah, the ban does not apply to US citizens or permanent residents.

I'm not sure the government could bar US citizens from the US, quarantine them yes, but ban them? I mean citizenship kinda means you have a right to live here.

Anyone know for certain?

 Necros wrote:
Apparently Trump was vague (as usual) and the travel ban is more about foreign nationals and not average joes. We're still trying to get the full story here at work.

I wish the owner of my company wasn't so old and old fashioned.. we're only allowed to work from home if the government mandates it. So even though all of our jobs can be done from anywhere in the world with an internet connection, we still have to drive into the office every day.

Personally virus or not I think everyone who can work remotely should work remotely, like forever. If anything just to cut down on traffic and smog. But that's another rant for another thread.

That might be one positive outcome of this; we realise how much the traditional slog to work isn’t needed anymore.

Irish government just closed all schools and banned gatherings of over 100 people. This is after being super lax for two weeks. Never change, Irish establishment.

I have a European cruise coming up in June.. flying in and out of Dublin. Already all paid for. Hoping things are all good by then. if not I'm sure the cruise line will let us change to something else, but not so sure about the airlines, because airlines are somehow allowed to never refund anyone.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
She got it from the Robert Koch Institute, which is the public health institute for Germany. I would presume it is based on risk modelling, which is important for logistical planning and all similar institutes such as the CDC in America would do similar modelling.
The number she actually said was 60-70% of Germans. This would not be unusual for a highly contagious disease for which there is no vaccine.

But yeah, continue to hate on Merkel for whatever reason. Says more about ye than her.

She is terrible though.. come on.


I hope it doesnt affect warhammer fest in may. I've spent about 6 months painting my GD entries.

Good luck with that. E3 and the Olympics in Japan are getting cancelled if I recall from this stupid virus.

For whoever said we shouldn't go into work then how are we all supposed to make money? What should I work from home? Then I have to send product to people they might get sick from. I guess I'm supposed to just code or something. Anyway if I can't work then I can't make money and if I can't make money I can't eat, pay rent or do anything.

Also I don't know how bad the cases are in the USA but if I recall it's better than Italy.

Regardless of what people want to say how well we're keeping these cases contained or not I don't think we could magically keep it contained as well as keep the economy from taking a backflip dive into the crapper and hitting our head on the porcelain and being knocked unconscious by it before hitting the inside of the toilet.

Probably best not for any arm chair politicians (one political side or another) to claim they have all the perfect answers in this scenario. Keep in mind we are still possibly a year off from a vaccine. For what it's worth I don't think I'm at risk. That is just all the young people, elderly and the sick. I might get it but I doubt I'd die from it. It's the groups I mentioned that could die. I could spread it to them if I got it though.

The sucky thing about all of this is that corona virus just basically ruined any desire I have to play plague inc. So that's another thing this stupid virus has ruined.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
She got it from the Robert Koch Institute, which is the public health institute for Germany. I would presume it is based on risk modelling, which is important for logistical planning and all similar institutes such as the CDC in America would do similar modelling.
The number she actually said was 60-70% of Germans. This would not be unusual for a highly contagious disease for which there is no vaccine.

But yeah, continue to hate on Merkel for whatever reason. Says more about ye than her.

She is terrible though.. come on.


I hope it doesnt affect warhammer fest in may. I've spent about 6 months painting my GD entries.

Good luck with that. E3 and the Olympics in Japan are getting cancelled if I recall from this stupid virus.

For whoever said we shouldn't go into work then how are we all supposed to make money? What should I work from home? Then I have to send product to people they might get sick from. I guess I'm supposed to just code or something. Anyway if I can't work then I can't make money and if I can't make money I can't eat, pay rent or do anything.

Also I don't know how bad the cases are in the USA but if I recall it's better than Italy.

Regardless of what people want to say how well we're keeping these cases contained or not I don't think we could magically keep it contained as well as keep the economy from taking a backflip dive into the crapper and hitting our head on the porcelain and being knocked unconscious by it before hitting the inside of the toilet.

Probably best not for any arm chair politicians (one political side or another) to claim they have all the perfect answers in this scenario. Keep in mind we are still possibly a year off from a vaccine. For what it's worth I don't think I'm at risk. That is just all the young people, elderly and the sick. I might get it but I doubt I'd die from it. It's the groups I mentioned that could die. I could spread it to them if I got it though.

The sucky thing about all of this is that corona virus just basically ruined any desire I have to play plague inc. So that's another thing this stupid virus has ruined.

It ain't them.

Unfortunately, countries without robust safety nets for poor people or those who suddenly find themselves in temporary financial trouble are simply going to struggle a lot. They're not suddenly going to have good and accessible sick pay and benefits. Those that do will be taking a significant economic hit anyway. We can only hope it's short.

 Necros wrote:
I have a European cruise coming up in June.. flying in and out of Dublin. Already all paid for. Hoping things are all good by then. if not I'm sure the cruise line will let us change to something else, but not so sure about the airlines, because airlines are somehow allowed to never refund anyone.

That assumes there will be a cruise line by then. Locally, tourism companies already asked the government for help, because most of them run business equivalent of paycheck to paycheck.

Luckily, the government was right there to help, by banning tourism from the richest bloc of countries in the world.

The BBC has reported that while the USA travel ban isn't going to extend to US nationals, they will only be able to come in to certain designated (but not yet revealed) destinations if they've been in any of the named EU countries

so people may have difficulties there if they are restrictive about where you come back to (and i'm guessing they're at least thinking about testing and/or quarentien)…. but I suspect any international airport will be ok,

also finally got some overall advise about how long the virus can survive outside the body, the NHS is belives it is up on 24 hours soft surfaces & 48 on hard surfaces from the pooled data they've seen, but are operating on 72 hour minimum just to be safe

Crispy78 wrote:

 Ernestas wrote:
I'm just afraid that I have to leave my city for whole week and during this time I will be stuck in my parents house during nation wide quarantine.

Is that really a big deal? A week is not long.

A week in close confinement with your parents?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:

 Ernestas wrote:
I'm just afraid that I have to leave my city for whole week and during this time I will be stuck in my parents house during nation wide quarantine.

Is that really a big deal? A week is not long.

A week in close confinement with your parents?

Cooking food for me? And also with models to paint, TV / Netflix / video games...? Yeah, I'd take that.

You’re lucky then. Mine don’t cook, just passively aggress. So
Sometimes not so passively.

A week in my place; models to paint, the falcon to build, catch up on my reading and Netflix backlist, my PC games and the PlayStation? Sounds fantastic actually!

For those worried about this making kids sick, so far the research has shown that kids, and young people are the least affected by the virus.
If you're 80+, your chances of fatality jump to over 20%.
So, it's not so much the kids we need to worry about, except for them carrying and transmitting it. But, if one has trained their children to wash their hands frequently (YEAH! Right.) then it shouldn't be bad for children at all.
Its those that are elderly and with compromised immune systems that need to worry the most.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

It's one of those situations where as a company you are 100% damned if you damned if you don't. Tell everyone to keep coming to work? You're the bad guy cause you're contributing to the virus' spread. Tell everyone to stay home? You're the bad guy because something like 80% of people live paycheck to paycheck and don't have a month's worth of savings to wait for all this to blow over.

Easy solution, pay your workers sick pay so it isn't a choice between money and spread disease or get kicked out of their home while they try to prevent the spread of the disease.

That situation is entirely of these companies own design, where they have fought tooth and nail against worker rights which would actually serve to protect their business in the long run.

The reason the USA has a low infection rate is that the USA has a low testing rate.

UK staying in full tilt 'take it on the chin, lads' mode.

Government 'advises' against overseas school trips and old people going on cruises, and anyone with any flu symptoms should self-isolate for a week. They are 'considering' banning large scale events at some point in the coming weeks.

Somewhat more relaxed than, well, everywhere else, I think?

Crispy78 wrote:
UK has statutory sick pay, so we have more of a safety net than you guys do. Government has just said it will fully reimburse small businesses (<250 employees) for the cost of providing 14 days sick pay per employee for this. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-for-employees-employers-and-businesses

That's really cool. One can take a perverse satisfaction in the notion that the group of people who are complaining the most about not being able to work and earn their living due to the virus (millenials, zoomers), are also largely part of the group that basically refused to show up at the polls last Tuesday and vote for the guy who wants to implement more safety net programs for just this sort of situation.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

It's one of those situations where as a company you are 100% damned if you damned if you don't. Tell everyone to keep coming to work? You're the bad guy cause you're contributing to the virus' spread. Tell everyone to stay home? You're the bad guy because something like 80% of people live paycheck to paycheck and don't have a month's worth of savings to wait for all this to blow over.

Easy solution, pay your workers sick pay so it isn't a choice between money and spread disease or get kicked out of their home while they try to prevent the spread of the disease.

I mean, you are aware that the average amount of sick time for employees in the US is like a week at the start, with MAYBE a bank max of 2 weeks through accrual, right? Do you think that 90% of employees with sick time were all hording it and saving it just in case a global pandemic broke out? Half the people I work with burned through all of their sick time due to the flu, their kids getting sick, recovering operations etc within three months of our sick time resetting.

I despise greedy capitalism as much as the average joe, but I'm hesitant to blame most companies for not accounting for things like "a super virus will grind the economy to a halt for at least a month).

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
UK has statutory sick pay, so we have more of a safety net than you guys do. Government has just said it will fully reimburse small businesses (<250 employees) for the cost of providing 14 days sick pay per employee for this. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-for-employees-employers-and-businesses

That's really cool. One can take a perverse satisfaction in the notion that the group of people who are complaining the most about not being able to work and earn their living due to the virus (millenials, zoomers), are also largely part of the group that basically refused to show up at the polls last Tuesday and vote for the guy who wants to implement more safety net programs for just this sort of situation.

Alternatively, the people who couldn't afford to show up because they're struggling to make ends meet as it is.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
UK has statutory sick pay, so we have more of a safety net than you guys do. Government has just said it will fully reimburse small businesses (<250 employees) for the cost of providing 14 days sick pay per employee for this. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-for-employees-employers-and-businesses

That's really cool. One can take a perverse satisfaction in the notion that the group of people who are complaining the most about not being able to work and earn their living due to the virus (millenials, zoomers), are also largely part of the group that basically refused to show up at the polls last Tuesday and vote for the guy who wants to implement more safety net programs for just this sort of situation.

Alternatively, the people who couldn't afford to show up because they're struggling to make ends meet as it is.

It's funny how this is the only argument people ever make to try to defend the abysmal voter turn out for young people.

Every single recreational activity in the world is completely dominated by people in the range of 18-40 or so, yet coincidentally, when voting time comes around I'm supposed to believe that thousands upon thousands of 22 year olds just can't make it to the ballot box for an hour, no matter how hard they tried.

Like, I'm sure that a small number of 20 year olds are working three jobs and have two kids and maybe live in some rural craphole where traveling to the ballot box is hard and they genuinely can't make it out to vote. But that's absolutely not the situation for the extreme majority of the youth.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Can foreign nationals not be average joes :( ? Average Johannes, surely!

Poorly phrased but yeah, the ban does not apply to US citizens or permanent residents.

I'm not sure the government could bar US citizens from the US, quarantine them yes, but ban them? I mean citizenship kinda means you have a right to live here.

Anyone know for certain?

Of course how to get to us is another thing. At least here flight companies started cancelling. With lots of customers unable to go no point. Eu even removed rule that prevented companies from simply not flying planes or lose market shares.



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 BlaxicanX wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
UK has statutory sick pay, so we have more of a safety net than you guys do. Government has just said it will fully reimburse small businesses (<250 employees) for the cost of providing 14 days sick pay per employee for this. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-for-employees-employers-and-businesses

That's really cool. One can take a perverse satisfaction in the notion that the group of people who are complaining the most about not being able to work and earn their living due to the virus (millenials, zoomers), are also largely part of the group that basically refused to show up at the polls last Tuesday and vote for the guy who wants to implement more safety net programs for just this sort of situation.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

It's one of those situations where as a company you are 100% damned if you damned if you don't. Tell everyone to keep coming to work? You're the bad guy cause you're contributing to the virus' spread. Tell everyone to stay home? You're the bad guy because something like 80% of people live paycheck to paycheck and don't have a month's worth of savings to wait for all this to blow over.

Easy solution, pay your workers sick pay so it isn't a choice between money and spread disease or get kicked out of their home while they try to prevent the spread of the disease.

I mean, you are aware that the average amount of sick time for employees in the US is like a week at the start, with MAYBE a bank max of 2 weeks through accrual, right? Do you think that 90% of employees with sick time were all hording it and saving it just in case a global pandemic broke out? Half the people I work with burned through all of their sick time due to the flu, their kids getting sick, recovering operations etc within three months of our sick time resetting.

I despise greedy capitalism as much as the average joe, but I'm hesitant to blame most companies for not accounting for things like "a super virus will grind the economy to a halt for at least a month).

Well that's decision of us. Us chose this and then to hide own mistakes that will make us suffer blame eu for it while doing economic attack vs eu.

Standard us.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
UK has statutory sick pay, so we have more of a safety net than you guys do. Government has just said it will fully reimburse small businesses (<250 employees) for the cost of providing 14 days sick pay per employee for this. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-for-employees-employers-and-businesses

That's really cool. One can take a perverse satisfaction in the notion that the group of people who are complaining the most about not being able to work and earn their living due to the virus (millenials, zoomers), are also largely part of the group that basically refused to show up at the polls last Tuesday and vote for the guy who wants to implement more safety net programs for just this sort of situation.

Alternatively, the people who couldn't afford to show up because they're struggling to make ends meet as it is.

It's funny how this is the only argument people ever make to try to defend the abysmal voter turn out for young people.

That's not what I was doing though.

I work in finance stuff - they told me to stay home for 4 weeks plus I have 100+ hours PTO ready to go.

After the first week or so... I wont have any actual real work to do if they close down bank branches. They're trying to figure out work to do for audit/checking old files and such after we have no work to do


Oddly - a few of the sales reps/wealth advisors/officers dont actually have computers at home/bad with technology. They're phone and in person handshake only. Not sure what they can do with those.

Luckily I've picked up 2500 points of Mech Guard just for this occassion to paint

There was heavy rain and floods in Cairo today (substitute the word blizzard for rain to understand what that means here) so we got a taste of what may be to come.

It won't be pretty in the Kyoto household. Not pretty at all.

Turning my attention to finishing my retro 2nd edition IG army is really appealing now.

If I was put into quarantine for 2-3 weeks with my family, i am pretty sure only one family member would survive.... and not because of the disease.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Argive wrote:
So it seems like its a problem, but nothing is truly being done.. The true face of the zeitgeist is showing its ugly head. Humans are resource, get to work and who cares if you die because economy... Maybe finally more people will get it and some change will happen.

I mean, you say this, but my social media is DROWNING in hate messages from people who are pissed the feth off because they can't go to work (most of them work in the service industry) and don't know how they're going to pay their bills, live their lives etc.

It's one of those situations where as a company you are 100% damned if you damned if you don't. Tell everyone to keep coming to work? You're the bad guy cause you're contributing to the virus' spread. Tell everyone to stay home? You're the bad guy because something like 80% of people live paycheck to paycheck and don't have a month's worth of savings to wait for all this to blow over.

Well, you could do something REALLY radical and <gasp> PAY SICK TIME, but we all know profit is FAR more important than mitigating human suffering... [/sarcasm]


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Crispy78 wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Argive wrote:
So it seems like its a problem, but nothing is truly being done.. The true face of the zeitgeist is showing its ugly head. Humans are resource, get to work and who cares if you die because economy... Maybe finally more people will get it and some change will happen.

I mean, you say this, but my social media is DROWNING in hate messages from people who are pissed the feth off because they can't go to work (most of them work in the service industry) and don't know how they're going to pay their bills, live their lives etc.

It's one of those situations where as a company you are 100% damned if you damned if you don't. Tell everyone to keep coming to work? You're the bad guy cause you're contributing to the virus' spread. Tell everyone to stay home? You're the bad guy because something like 80% of people live paycheck to paycheck and don't have a month's worth of savings to wait for all this to blow over.

UK has statutory sick pay, so we have more of a safety net than you guys do. Government has just said it will fully reimburse small businesses (<250 employees) for the cost of providing 14 days sick pay per employee for this. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-for-employees-employers-and-businesses

A mandatory 14-day sick pay for the current emergency was proposed and shot down in Congress a day or two ago.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:


Good luck with that. E3 and the Olympics in Japan are getting cancelled if I recall from this stupid virus.

E3 is cancelled. The Olympics are not yet (and will likely just be postponed). The mayor of Tokyo is particularly vehement that they won't be, but that insistence is more about the economic cost and loss as well as the prestige loss if they don't happen.
The torch ceremony actually happened this morning in Olympia... without spectators.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
UK has statutory sick pay, so we have more of a safety net than you guys do. Government has just said it will fully reimburse small businesses (<250 employees) for the cost of providing 14 days sick pay per employee for this. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-for-employees-employers-and-businesses

That's really cool. One can take a perverse satisfaction in the notion that the group of people who are complaining the most about not being able to work and earn their living due to the virus (millenials, zoomers), are also largely part of the group that basically refused to show up at the polls last Tuesday and vote for the guy who wants to implement more safety net programs for just this sort of situation.

To be fair, many of them were probably busy working while the polls were open, and not a few areas have put polling stations in the most inconvenient area possible, especially if you are on the shank's mare for transportation.