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Sqorgar wrote: There's been, what, 190 cases reported in Florida? 7 deaths? And now they are closing schools, canceling all testing, and potentially extending the school year, if not straight up holding a bunch of kids back? For a disease which has a 0% mortality for children?
I don't want to watch my children for four weeks straight. I don't send them to school to learn. I send them to school so that I can get some peace and quiet. Guess it is time to start a family Necromunda league...
Ah yes. Children are safe so let them infect everybody else including groups in danger. And btw there's people as young as 16 in critical care that I know because of corona.
But yes. It's fine. Children are safe so children are free to infect everybody else. Makes perfect sense.
Ouze wrote:if 43 million people get Covid-19, then at that rate, 775,000 people will die.
There's no evidence that this would be true. Even if every single one of those 43 million were hospitalized, the danger zone for the virus is largely the old and infirm - of which we have a limited number of. Basically, we'd run out of old, sick people before we reached that number.
That "limited number" of people in the US population over 65 is 51 million people. if 40% of that population got it, and 2% of those that contracted it died, 400,000 people would die. if 20% of that population got it, you'd still have 200,000 people dead. And that's just the cohort of old people!
How exactly are you calculating 60-80k mortality at best while also advocating we're going too far in trying to do anything at all to flatten out the curve and reduce the speed of infection?
Not to mention it's not just old and firm. Around half the critical care patients are under 60
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Sqorgar wrote: There's been, what, 190 cases reported in Florida? 7 deaths? And now they are closing schools, canceling all testing, and potentially extending the school year, if not straight up holding a bunch of kids back? For a disease which has a 0% mortality for children?
I don't want to watch my children for four weeks straight. I don't send them to school to learn. I send them to school so that I can get some peace and quiet. Guess it is time to start a family Necromunda league...
Ah yes. Children are safe so let them infect everybody else including groups in danger. And btw there's people as young as 16 in critical care that I know because of corona.
But yes. It's fine. Children are safe so children are free to infect everybody else.
While not disputing children can carry it or become unwell (although alot less likely) I think the theory in the uk anyway is if you close the schools the health workers have to watch there kids and therefore cannot be at work putting the critically sick at further risk of dying and overwhelming the health care system.
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I mean follow what the advice has been its not hard, stay at home, practice safe social distancing. Wash your hands don't be a fool.
Children are always carriers for diseases they can get other people sick very easily, and the fact we can limit their interactions with other families is very beneficial to all families.
We want to curbstomp this virus by ensuring it runs out of bodies to go through.
Super simple. Well until a Vaccine comes out and our bodies build antibodies from said vaccine.
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LMPD to no longer respond to hit and run wrecks, other incidents
Jason Riley and Travis Ragsdale
Mar 17, 2020 Updated 10 hrs ago
LOUISVILLE, Ky., (WDRB) – Louisville Metro Police will no longer respond to several emergency situations, including some burglaries and speeding, according to Louisville Metro Police Chief Steve Conrad.
Conrad said the department will take reports over the phone in many non-violent incidents, to protect officers and the public from spreading the coronavirus.
In addition, police will not be dispatched to public intoxication cases, speeding, illegal parking and loitering, among other incidents.
Conrad said the changes are being made "in the interest of focusing on making sure our officers are able to respond in an emergency situation or life is threatened and to keep them healthy."
The department hasn't seen any increase in officers out sick "with this particular illness," Conrad said, but attendance is being monitored as shifts begin.
Police headquarters, among other buildings, will be closed.
In addition, LMPD officers are no longer allowed to request vacation time.
In a memo written by Conrad on Monday, a “state of emergency” has been declared and only vacation requests already approved for this year will be allowed.
Conrad did not mention the memo at a press conference on Tuesday but said officers will get sick with the virus and the department is taking several precautions to ensure there is enough staffing.
He said he is moving personnel between divisions and using investigative staff to help patrol divisions "where absences are there."
In addition, Conrad said police will be limiting public access to headquarters, division stations and the city's impoundment lot. Visits to the lot and the LMPD property room will now be done by appointment, he said.
In a separate email sent by the assistant director of Louisville Metro Emergency Services as of 7 p.m. on Tuesday, police will not be responding to several types of events:
· Medical alarms, unless there is a known safety issue
· Non-injury accidents
· Hit-and-run accidents
· Disorderly persons
· Intoxicated persons
· Reckless drivers
Conrad did not mention all incidents police are currently not responding to during the press conference.
Copyright 2020 WDRB Media. All Rights Reserved.
Oh great. Like Louisville wasn't already bad enough. Keeping my hillbilly backside in the woods.
This is an epidemiological response, not an individual one. We know most of us won't be seriously harmed by this- but some of us will. We also know that most of us will become infected- the thing spreads too fast, and is asymptomatic while infectious for too long for us to avoid it.
The goal is to limit exposure of the population to keep the number of critical cases at a level the healthcare system can manage. Italy is in triage. That is what the shut down of schools is intended to prevent. We want to slow new cases before we are swamped because once we are, deaths will skyrocket.
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UK-National Trust have opened all their open spaces to people free of charge. Cafes and indoor spaces will be closed though, so take a packed lunch
Social distancing doesn't mean you need to stay in your home and incubate. Get out into nature. Its good for your immune system, good for your mental health, and the ultimate way to socially distance. Plus, the UV light from the suns rays can kill or weaken virus', and having airflow around you also decreases your chances of infection. so whats not to like?
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Sqorgar wrote: I was saying that something with many, many more deaths and infections happened two years ago and nobody noticed or cared. If we followed that flu with the same fervor, we'd still be in the middle of martial law. Luckily, we didn't, or else we'd be panicking about every flu season since.
This is something a lot of people keep arguing and it is just the worst nonsense. The currently low rate of infections is because the virus is at its earliest stages, before it has spread across the population. The only reason to think it won't spread across the population is because we've identified it now, and are able to take actions to stop its spread.
Don't believe me? You shouldn't, I'm just some guy on the internet wth absolutely no medical training at all. But you should listen to the Imperial College, because they have an infectious disease as good as any in the world. They released their report on 16th March. Its the report that got the Johnson government to realize its 'herd immunity' policy was nonsense, and got the Trump government to realize the scope of the issue. Its a British study and it looked at different possible approaches and the likely mortality in the US and UK. I'll summarize their findings of the expected results in the US;
If the US does nothing and just lets the virus happen, it will spread to 80% of the population, leading to 2.2 million direct deaths, and because the number of patients would overwhelm the system and leave millions without ventilators and other essential support, we'd soon be looking at another 2 million dead. About 12% of people over 70 would die.
Of course no country will do nothing. Once the reality of what's starting to happen sinks in, even 'its just the flu' people will come on board and start responding. That's where quarantine and the social distancing and other soft measures come in. This reduces total deaths a bit but the best effect is in how it reduces the strain on the healthcare system, so it brings the total deaths down to around 2 million. That's the population of Houston. Its 3 times the deaths in the American Civil War. It is still a horror show.
Then there's the third choice they considered - which is something like what Italy has done. Do all the above, and also shut down schools and colleges, and close most workplaces. Stop social gatherings. This works. Their modeling says peak deaths will be a few thousand, in a few weeks time, and then steadily taper down. We could actually end up with casualties that would be 'not much worse than a normal flu'. But there's a catch - as soon as the isolation ends the virus will start up again, and only reduce with a reinstatement of isolation. That would have to be maintained in some form until an effective vaccine was deployed, which is maybe 18 months away.
The study didn't consider the South Korean method, which was just to test like crazy, constantly, tracing a spread through the community and isolating those people specifically. That might be a more practical method to operate over the long period until a vaccine is developed.
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queen_annes_revenge wrote: If anything, I read yesterday that it's statistically more likely to affect men, although I imagine that's more down to a higher percentage of males in the workforce, being exposed more, possibly having compromised immune systems from industry, smokers etc.
Last I read, it's b/c of smoking. Most men in China smoke, most women do not. “In China, mortality rates were higher in men than women. One of the hypotheses is that this was also due to smoking. About 50 percent of men in China smoke, compared to only 2% of women. ... One of Israel’s few coronavirus patients to be listed as serious is a 38-year-old man who was exposed to the virus while driving a group of Greek tourists. According to reports, the severity of his condition — unusual for a man of his age — was linked by doctors to the fact that he is a smoker." One thing US got right was effectively banning smoking in 2003. (Fun fact: China's cigarettes are a state-owned monopoly, and Chinese doctors smoke.Of course, only a few generations ago, smoking was common in western doctors as well.) https://komonews.com/news/coronavirus/does-smoking-or-vaping-put-you-at-a-higher-risk-of-coronavirus
Sqorgar wrote: The point of those stories was not that the doctors got it wrong, but how they behaved in the face of someone else who go it right. The point isn't that doctors didn't wash their hands. The point is that the doctors refused to wash their hands even in the face of evidence of its effectiveness - and then harassed and shamed the guy who thought it was a pretty nifty idea until he died in a mental institution. They didn't just make a mistake.
So doctors are human beings, prone to resisting change and making mistakes just like the rest of us. Big whoop. The point is, though, that even though it took longer than it should have, eventually the medical profession as a whole DID change their point of view.
The same thing happened with Darwin, Galileo, Copernicus and god knows how many other trailblazers.
Unlike, say, religion, or "gut feeling", or "obvious common sense", scientists can and do sometimes admit they're wrong and then move forward. Not as often as perhaps they should, because they're still human, but it's still a much better average than nearly every other institution on the planet.
There are medical experts saying as much as well. Here's a video by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, a German physician and politician with a history of criticizing the WHO (and the influence of pharmaceutical companies on the WHO). Essentially, he says that we aren't measuring "the incidence of coronavirus diseases, but the activity of the specialists searching for them".
This is the exact same argument climate change deniers use, and it's just as misguided/misleading here.
Mostly, my opposition is against excessive quarantining. I don't think the WHO recommended that Florida shut down all bars for the foreseeable future or hold children back a grade or limit any social gathering of any size - that was the politicians interpreting the WHO's suggestions for social distancing in an extreme way. Last I heard, the WHO said wash your hands, don't touch your face, and stand 3 feet away from others. They certainly didn't tell anybody to buy all the toilet paper or to avoid all old people because YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY KILLED THEM.
The WHO is actually criticising the Dutch policy to try for a contained outbreak in order to eventually achieve herd immunity naturally (as opposed to limiting our freedoms even further with a complete lockdown) as being risky as long as an actual vaccine doesn't exist.
The toilet paper thing is just people being idiots and actually acting against official advice - just in case you weren't being facetious there.
As to the old people thing - so you're saying that just because there's a possibility they may have been infected already we should continue to expose them thus eventually turning a possibility into a certainty? Or am I misunderstanding your point here?
Sooooo....
yeah smoking is definitely a big factor. now is the time to give up for sure. it makes sense as your lungs are basically at a huge disadvantage, if not fully compromised.
I've never smoked cigarettes, but I'm not even indulging in my rare occasion cigars at the moment.
China has been using japanese flu medicine to treat patients. So far with good success rate compared to those without that medicine. Doesn't help if symptoms have reached serious stage but for those with initial signs has reduced numbers reaching serious symptoms and quickened healing process.
Britain just announced rescinding their decision to let healthy people carry on as usual, while quarantining elderly and other vulnerable demographics.
"The British government’s official advice to its citizens was, essentially, just to keep calm and carry on. Schools, restaurants, theaters, clubs, and sporting venues remained open; only the over-70s and those with flu-like symptoms were advised to stay at home.
On Monday night, that theory collided with the facts. A new analysis by immunologists at Imperial College London and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine of the impact of the coronavirus in Italy suggested that up to 30 percent of patients hospitalized with the virus would require intensive care treatment. Those numbers, if repeated in the U.K., would quickly overwhelm Britain’s state-run National Health Service.
Within hours of the report, U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson appeared at a daily briefing at No. 10 Downing St. to reverse the herd immunity policy. Acknowledging that “drastic action” was required, Johnson announced that from now on Britons should try to work from home and voluntarily refrain from unnecessary travel and social contact.
"A rate with a value of 1 would mean that one person can pass it on to at least one other person. The higher this number, the more infections from that one case. So to end the spread, this number will need to drop below 1. The reproduction rate for coronavirus is between 2 and 3. ... One expert analysis found that creating herd immunity in the UK would require more than 47 million people to be infected. With a 2.3% fatality rate and a 19% rate of severe disease, this could result in more than a million people dying and a further eight million needing critical care."
ced1106 wrote: Britain just announced rescinding their decision to let healthy people carry on as usual, while quarantining elderly and other vulnerable demographics.
Spoiler:
"The British government’s official advice to its citizens was, essentially, just to keep calm and carry on. Schools, restaurants, theaters, clubs, and sporting venues remained open; only the over-70s and those with flu-like symptoms were advised to stay at home.
On Monday night, that theory collided with the facts. A new analysis by immunologists at Imperial College London and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine of the impact of the coronavirus in Italy suggested that up to 30 percent of patients hospitalized with the virus would require intensive care treatment. Those numbers, if repeated in the U.K., would quickly overwhelm Britain’s state-run National Health Service.
Within hours of the report, U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson appeared at a daily briefing at No. 10 Downing St. to reverse the herd immunity policy. Acknowledging that “drastic action” was required, Johnson announced that from now on Britons should try to work from home and voluntarily refrain from unnecessary travel and social contact.
"A rate with a value of 1 would mean that one person can pass it on to at least one other person. The higher this number, the more infections from that one case. So to end the spread, this number will need to drop below 1. The reproduction rate for coronavirus is between 2 and 3. ... One expert analysis found that creating herd immunity in the UK would require more than 47 million people to be infected. With a 2.3% fatality rate and a 19% rate of severe disease, this could result in more than a million people dying and a further eight million needing critical care."
We've been talking about this here for two days! Advice changed on Sunday and the Imperial paper leaked Sunday night. I posted it here yesterday morning a few pages back i think.
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can someone explain why there would be a resurgence? I understand the principle that no immunity is built, and therefore when measures are relaxed, people will contract it again, but say for example, if you completely quarantined the majority of the population, until late summer, surely those who got the virus would then either be hospitalised, and either die, or pass through, and those who didnt would just not be exposed, so where does the virus stay? surely it has to stay dormant somewhere, but where? if the summer heat and sunlight does kill off a lot of the virus, and no one is really spreading it, surely the vast majority of it will die off?
LMPD to no longer respond to hit and run wrecks, other incidents
Jason Riley and Travis Ragsdale
Mar 17, 2020 Updated 10 hrs ago
LOUISVILLE, Ky., (WDRB) – Louisville Metro Police will no longer respond to several emergency situations, including some burglaries and speeding, according to Louisville Metro Police Chief Steve Conrad.
Conrad said the department will take reports over the phone in many non-violent incidents, to protect officers and the public from spreading the coronavirus.
In addition, police will not be dispatched to public intoxication cases, speeding, illegal parking and loitering, among other incidents.
Conrad said the changes are being made "in the interest of focusing on making sure our officers are able to respond in an emergency situation or life is threatened and to keep them healthy."
The department hasn't seen any increase in officers out sick "with this particular illness," Conrad said, but attendance is being monitored as shifts begin.
Police headquarters, among other buildings, will be closed.
In addition, LMPD officers are no longer allowed to request vacation time.
In a memo written by Conrad on Monday, a “state of emergency” has been declared and only vacation requests already approved for this year will be allowed.
Conrad did not mention the memo at a press conference on Tuesday but said officers will get sick with the virus and the department is taking several precautions to ensure there is enough staffing.
He said he is moving personnel between divisions and using investigative staff to help patrol divisions "where absences are there."
In addition, Conrad said police will be limiting public access to headquarters, division stations and the city's impoundment lot. Visits to the lot and the LMPD property room will now be done by appointment, he said.
In a separate email sent by the assistant director of Louisville Metro Emergency Services as of 7 p.m. on Tuesday, police will not be responding to several types of events:
· Medical alarms, unless there is a known safety issue
· Non-injury accidents
· Hit-and-run accidents
· Disorderly persons
· Intoxicated persons
· Reckless drivers
Conrad did not mention all incidents police are currently not responding to during the press conference.
Copyright 2020 WDRB Media. All Rights Reserved.
It seems a bit much to me, but at the same time I am sure the ones making the decision know a hell of a lot more about their local crime than I do. However I do feel like even if that is the new policy they should not up and TELL everyone that.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: can someone explain why there would be a resurgence? I understand the principle that no immunity is built, and therefore when measures are relaxed, people will contract it again, but say for example, if you completely quarantined the majority of the population, until late summer, surely those who got the virus would then either be hospitalised, and either die, or pass through, and those who didnt would just not be exposed, so where does the virus stay? surely it has to stay dormant somewhere, but where? if the summer heat and sunlight does kill off a lot of the virus, and no one is really spreading it, surely the vast majority of it will die off?
You only need one person to slip the net.
That one person then goes to a supermarket, their gym, their job and travels to and from work by train/bus. As a result now they've likely infected dozens to hundreds of people (if its the London Underground system easily hundreds). Give all those people 1 week moving around, infecting others and you've got a huge restoration. Plus it won't be localised either. Some of those commuting will be from other counties, perhaps the other end of the country. Taking it home with them on the Friday as they head home for the weekend. Now you've got multiple pockets erupting all over the place.
LMPD to no longer respond to hit and run wrecks, other incidents
Jason Riley and Travis Ragsdale
Mar 17, 2020 Updated 10 hrs ago
LOUISVILLE, Ky., (WDRB) – Louisville Metro Police will no longer respond to several emergency situations, including some burglaries and speeding, according to Louisville Metro Police Chief Steve Conrad.
Conrad said the department will take reports over the phone in many non-violent incidents, to protect officers and the public from spreading the coronavirus.
In addition, police will not be dispatched to public intoxication cases, speeding, illegal parking and loitering, among other incidents.
Conrad said the changes are being made "in the interest of focusing on making sure our officers are able to respond in an emergency situation or life is threatened and to keep them healthy."
The department hasn't seen any increase in officers out sick "with this particular illness," Conrad said, but attendance is being monitored as shifts begin.
Police headquarters, among other buildings, will be closed.
In addition, LMPD officers are no longer allowed to request vacation time.
In a memo written by Conrad on Monday, a “state of emergency” has been declared and only vacation requests already approved for this year will be allowed.
Conrad did not mention the memo at a press conference on Tuesday but said officers will get sick with the virus and the department is taking several precautions to ensure there is enough staffing.
He said he is moving personnel between divisions and using investigative staff to help patrol divisions "where absences are there."
In addition, Conrad said police will be limiting public access to headquarters, division stations and the city's impoundment lot. Visits to the lot and the LMPD property room will now be done by appointment, he said.
In a separate email sent by the assistant director of Louisville Metro Emergency Services as of 7 p.m. on Tuesday, police will not be responding to several types of events:
· Medical alarms, unless there is a known safety issue
· Non-injury accidents
· Hit-and-run accidents
· Disorderly persons
· Intoxicated persons
· Reckless drivers
Conrad did not mention all incidents police are currently not responding to during the press conference.
Copyright 2020 WDRB Media. All Rights Reserved.
It seems a bit much to me, but at the same time I am sure the ones making the decision know a hell of a lot more about their local crime than I do. However I do feel like even if that is the new policy they should not up and TELL everyone that.
Yeah, they know it's the most dangerous city in the whole damned state. And no wonder with cops like that. Perfect time to abandon their duties. And announcing it to every criminal. For feths sake.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: can someone explain why there would be a resurgence? I understand the principle that no immunity is built, and therefore when measures are relaxed, people will contract it again, but say for example, if you completely quarantined the majority of the population, until late summer, surely those who got the virus would then either be hospitalised, and either die, or pass through, and those who didnt would just not be exposed, so where does the virus stay? surely it has to stay dormant somewhere, but where? if the summer heat and sunlight does kill off a lot of the virus, and no one is really spreading it, surely the vast majority of it will die off?
While it's been reported that victims were reinfected, it's more likely that erroneous testing procedures gave that impression; "“I’m not saying that reinfection can’t occur, will never occur, but in that short time it’s unlikely,” said Florian Krammer, a virologist at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York. Even the mildest of infections should leave at least short-term immunity against the virus in the recovering patient, he said. More likely, the “reinfected” patients still harbored low levels of the virus when they were discharged from the hospital, and testing failed to pick it up." : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-reinfection.html
Quarantining the majority of the population slows down the virus, but will not eliminate it. The virus is highly contagious. Also, the 14-day quarantine period will catch *most* victims, but not all. And that small number undetected is enough to continue things all over again. So, in practice, you cannot contain a virus, only mitigate it, like we do with influenza. The only virus that has been eliminated is small pox, and that required vaccination.
The Bloomberg article suggests country location as well as seasonal climate is important. "Arid regions will see a higher rate of infections but the worst-hit areas will be temperate countries and high-altitude areas closer to the equator. The period between June and September should see a slowing rate of infections in much of Europe and North America, they wrote, although areas closer to the poles in Scandinavia, Russia and Canada may see worsening conditions as the climate warms enough to support local infections.
So... while we can slow down the rate of infection with quarantine, we cannot completely eliminate it. So, if quarantine were to suddenly stop, then the virus infection rate would start all over again. I'm waiting for a vaccine, myself. With twelve-thousand miniatures to paint, I'm afraid that might not be much of a problem.
Of course the experts are wrong (lots of assumptions, table 1 relies way to much on CCP data) but they're doing the best they can with the data they have. So you buy yourself time, improve your data and make better predictions. At the same time you're also improving your capability (both knowledge and resources) to deal with it. Remember its not just a vaccine that needs to be developed its also treatment protocols to improve recovery likelihood. No one has all the perfect answers, you just hope leadership doesn't get stuck in analysis paralysis and makes a large number of good (if imperfect) decisions.
A friend of mine is a nurse in london. He is amazed about how everybody is doing just normal live, and the hospitals are starting to get crowded and surpassed by coronavirus or "patients with pheumonia". And nobody is reacting to that.
I'm really sorry to eard that. I believe at this rate UK will be the new Italy.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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The thing that gets me is that there is a double standard. The government tells us to social distance, and yet they do not do it themselves. The officials are practically piled on one another in the press conferences. I can only imagine what they do off camera. Then there is the whole work bit. They hand down edicts that prevent lots of people from working, but they themselves work. I assume that they claim they are doing really important stuff, but everybody elses stuff is not important.
This is not to say that we should not socially distance or take precautions. However, people may have more confidence in what they are told by the government if the govemment follows its own advice.
Some people are too dumb to recognize a 6ft distance. Last night a trucker was trying to deliver to a business next to my apt. Huge truck, wouldn’t fit, and I was worried he was going to hit our cars in street parking area. I went down to talk to him, maintaining a distance... the guy walks right up to me. I ask him to keep 6 feet away. He walks RIGHT next to me again. So I yelled and told him to back the hell off! Once polite, twice are you dense? You don’t know I’m carrying this thing, I don’t know if you are.
I get not panicking. I get still being polite. But if you ARE polite and people still don’t respect the boundaries, how long before politeness ends and safety by any means becomes necessary?
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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queen_annes_revenge wrote: can someone explain why there would be a resurgence? I understand the principle that no immunity is built, and therefore when measures are relaxed, people will contract it again, but say for example, if you completely quarantined the majority of the population, until late summer, surely those who got the virus would then either be hospitalised, and either die, or pass through, and those who didnt would just not be exposed, so where does the virus stay? surely it has to stay dormant somewhere, but where? if the summer heat and sunlight does kill off a lot of the virus, and no one is really spreading it, surely the vast majority of it will die off?
Basically even in the best case scenario we'll be back to what it was like a few weeks ago with a few infected folk (like the ones who brought it into the country from their skiing holidays, business trips etc) and the whole thing will start off again, building up as it goes and there are bits of the world which we do need to trade with (like Africa) who just aren't in a position to get rid of this so until a vaccine is available it will keep coming back (the big problem being we can't do any sort of on the spot rapid test for infection, and victims are infectious before symptoms show if they have them at all)
on the plus side people, government and medics will be more prepared, there will be more availability of testing and (hopefully) a proportion of the population will now be immune or at least able to deal with the virus faster meaning lower transmission rates
on the minus side there will probably be more infected folk out there than at the start of the crisis so well start a bit further up the curve, medics etc will be exhausted and needing time off, people will be excited to be able to do all the stuff the missed so will mix a lot more than normal, goverments will be desperate to get the economy going again so may drop the ball rather than closing everything off again,
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My state shut down all eat-in restaurants yesterday, and I own one. This stinks for my finances. I'm not going to go under or anything, I have an emergency fund that I could live off of for 6-months if neither my wife or I were working, but it took a while to build up and I don't like dipping into it.
I live in Wales, and as of writing this there are 149 confirmed cases and 2 death. Very low compared to other countries, but I'm still glad the UK government has decided to 'lock down' and with lots of places closing, hopefully it will stay low with no further deaths.
I suppose I'm very lucky. Wales is still very rural for the most part, with most of the big cities centered in the south (where I live). However, Cardiff is tiny, and woth these rules in effect, I'm hopeful it doesn't go further.
This is a serious global issue, and I'd advise all dakkanaughts to be safe and sensible.
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timetowaste85 wrote: Some people are too dumb to recognize a 6ft distance. Last night a trucker was trying to deliver to a business next to my apt. Huge truck, wouldn’t fit, and I was worried he was going to hit our cars in street parking area. I went down to talk to him, maintaining a distance... the guy walks right up to me. I ask him to keep 6 feet away. He walks RIGHT next to me again. So I yelled and told him to back the hell off! Once polite, twice are you dense? You don’t know I’m carrying this thing, I don’t know if you are.
I get not panicking. I get still being polite. But if you ARE polite and people still don’t respect the boundaries, how long before politeness ends and safety by any means becomes necessary?
Pretty much never. 'By any means' includes they idea of straight up murder to prevent possible infection, and that isn't a reasonable trade.
People are panicking enough as is, violence in the streets isn't a reasonable direction to go by any standard.
...I yelled at somebody. I guess I could have been clearer, but I meant on the grounds of civility. Murder isn’t acceptable. Unless they’re breaking into your home to steal from you. In which case, it’s home defense.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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