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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I honestly dont get what is so hard about staying home, its like......why cant you just do it?

do you have kids?


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 Overread wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

why shouldnt people go out though? I can walk from my house to my car, drive to somewhere nearby in the countryside, get out and have a walk, then get back in my car, and drive home. theres no way I'm shutting myself in until theres an actual policeman outside my house with a gun.

Because lots of people will go out to the same spot of countryside; or the same beach or the same park etc... Which is the problem. Plus those who might head out to the highlands or such may not be experienced hikers. So suddenly it puts additional strain on mountain rescue teams which are already understaffed as medical staff are in the hospital system and those who purely volunteer are isolating at home and trying to avoid contact.


Government has already been on the TV to say that being outdoors still runs you at a risk of infection if you're socialising with people.

We aren't socialising with people. the closest we got to that was smiling or saying hello to people as we walked past them, usually on the other side of the road. I'm not going to be trekking on the mountains. I'll be on footpaths in the oxfordshire countryside. probably no more than 30-40 minutes from wherever I park the car.

How about those of us having a baby any day now? My dog isn’t a midwife. I have to go to the hospital soon. It’s a need. An emergency. But I can’t exactly tell the baby to wait until the virus ends before they come out.

congratulations! I've got munchkin number two due late july early aug, and i'll be damned if I'm not taking them for walks in the pram.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I honestly dont get what is so hard about staying home, its like......why cant you just do it?

do you have kids?

No i dont, but what does that have to do with anything?

Kids are much easier to keep at home than older people! Besides surely you can use consoles, TV, films, computers, internet, books, boardgames - there's a vast wealth of stuff to keep kids entertained at home. More so than ever before.

I mean there's even these games some people play with models where they have to build and paint them before they play. You could try introducing them to that

 Overread wrote:
Kids are much easier to keep at home than older people! Besides surely you can use consoles, TV, films, computers, internet, books, boardgames - there's a vast wealth of stuff to keep kids entertained at home. More so than ever before.

I mean there's even these games some people play with models where they have to build and paint them before they play. You could try introducing them to that

Kids are real easy to control with electronics, when i want a break at work, i turn on cocomelon and the kids are tranced.
Also thats a lie, you dont have to paint them before you play, or sometimes even build them.

It's actually recommended that you go out of the house to exercise most places, just keeping 6 feet away from others. Walks, runs, hiking, etc...

yeah, but I don't wan't electronic devices raising my kids.

my daughter is 3. I'm not sticking her in front of a phone or tablet. that is lazy parenting. She gets to watch a little TV, and sometimes a film like frozen after nursery( before it shut) or after we get home from wherever we go out. She goes crazy if she doesnt get out and do something stimulating, and also doesnt sleep as well.

plus being stuck inside is terrible for you. youre likely to exercise less, youre breathing stale air. getting outside does you the world of good.

as I said, we come into closer contact with people when we go to the shop, or I go to work, so I really dont see the problem.

The problem is we need to avoid any and all un necessary outages to avoid this spreading more than it should.

I've been doing multiple daily walks around my area of a mile or two each every day. It's relatively easy to stay a good distance from people and it keeps me from going crazy inside. That sort of activity is in line with every recommendation I've seen so far. I get dramatically more close contact going to the grocery store.

The part that bugs me is the gray-hairs that all want to sit outside the closed shops and chat with their fellow retirees like they don't have a care in the fething world, not keeping the 6ft separation and blocking the sidewalk for everyone else, and of course they're the demographic most vulnerable.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
yeah, but I don't wan't electronic devices raising my kids.

my daughter is 3. I'm not sticking her in front of a phone or tablet. that is lazy parenting.

Yes but current government advice is to spend two weeks or so lazy parenting darn it!

Use the time wisely to indoctrinate her in the classic cartoons of the 90s. Or in endless games of Munchkin. You can train her at this young age to be the next Munchkin Champion!

Indeed. but going outside is necessary for the health and well being of my family.

If were not going near anyone, whats the issue? UV light kills Virus too, so were less likely to come into contact with it in the countryside.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I honestly dont get what is so hard about staying home, its like......why cant you just do it?

In the words of Michael ‘Not At All Pob’ Gove?

People have had enough of experts

It’s as if embracing populism and anti-intellectualism has consequences.

Doc wins the Internet today with a splendid niche 80's reference, I've alway seen him as a Deep One hybrid banished from Ryleh for being too fishy and slimy

I've already pointed out the false equivalences between that gove statement and its comparisons to the current situation earlier in this thread.

 Rolsheen wrote:
I love coming to this thread, it's always hilarious to read. I get more reliable scientific information about the coronavirus off Pornhub.

Pornhub is a solid reliable source of all good information and good things in general

 RiTides wrote:
It's actually recommended that you go out of the house to exercise most places, just keeping 6 feet away from others. Walks, runs, hiking, etc...

This! As long as you're not touching people, things etc. And if you're out in nature what are the chances of touching something contaminated anyway? Even at the park, the uv light is likely to kill any virus potentially left on surfaces.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
This! As long as you're not touching people, things etc. And if you're out in nature what are the chances of touching something contaminated anyway? Even at the park, the uv light is likely to kill any virus potentially left on surfaces.

https://www.livescience.com/how-long-coronavirus-last-surfaces.html

A new analysis found that the virus can remain viable in the air for up to 3 hours, on copper for up to 4 hours, on cardboard up to 24 hours and on plastic and stainless steel up to 72 hours.

It does go on to clarify that touching contaminated surfaces isn't thought to be the main way it's being transferred, but nobody's really sure yet. And, obviously, the chances of touching something contaminated would go up as the actual number of infected people goes up.

So, My field just got labeled essential by my state.
Yknow the field where you are in a crowded clinic or where you literally go to peoples houses........Where i already got potentially exposed.

hotsauceman1 wrote:So question, how does everyone feel about eatin out now? Mostly Carryout? are there a lot of risks or what?

hotsauceman1 wrote:I honestly dont get what is so hard about staying home, its like......why cant you just do it?

Some people don't understand why limiting contact with others is vitally necessary for the time being.

I guess they get...bored?

Or hungry?

If you have to go out where there were be a lot of people, just take as many precautions as you can...

Yes, I also am considered essential. In my entire company, only my department and security have such a designation.

My company is also considered essential by the state.

Typing this from work, although I am still working from home 75% of the time, currently.

How many people are also working with you/near you?

And are they limiting contact with others in their everyday lives, as much as they can?

I think people are missing something about going out to the local park or forest. Yes, it's outdoors, and you're theoretically away from people, but most folks, even here, aren't going to the middle of nowhere. They're all going to the same trailheads, all going to the Same gas stations, restaurants, stores, hotels, etc. And they're coming from all over. Very few people are actually going to a remote area away from folks, especially because tons of people had the same idea. Any remotely well known trail or destination is going to be lousy with infected individuals who just don't care.

So essentially, yeah, you're just going to the woods. But if you drove 3 hours to a small town where the nearest hospital is an hour away, and go around doing typical tourist things, you can be a big problem.

I get wanting to take walks and stuff around the neighborhood, I guess that done correctly is fine. My issue is more with people traveling to be outdoors, the spring break folks down in Florida, the swarm of people that descended on my local forest this weekend, the tons of people who keep posting "but just look at those cruise prices, were never gonna get that chance again!" Just frustrating. I do feel like a major contribution to this is just how overworked a lot of younger folks are, especially ones stuck in jobs with awful schedules with retail. How do you tell a guy who worked morning Monday, night shift Tuesday, mid day for 4 hours Wednesday, then closes on Thursday, thinking he has Friday off only to get called in to open is going to respond when you tell him "hey, youve got two weeks off and there's nothing your employer can do about it."

Well, I say nothing, but Hobby Lobby, GameStop, and a lot of other companies seem to be doing their damnedest. You've gotta have some pretty big balls (or pretty stupid) to try and serve a letter to cops saying you're an essential business when you sell videogames and that's it

Just dropping in to wish everyone the best and to say stay frosty. When this thing runs it's course, I want to see all of you knuckleheads back here and in good health.



Avoid a double-teaming by Corona-chan and Papa Nurgle!

 Alpharius wrote:
How many people are also working with you/near you?

And are they limiting contact with others in their everyday lives, as much as they can?

There are 35 people in my department, but we staggered the schedule so only 2 people physically in the room at a time, sitting a distance from each other, with the rest working remote. I usually work 4 days a week, and now am only coming in once a week and doing the other 3 from home. We're also trying to wipe stuff down with Clorox wipes once per shift.

The other thing, I can't speak to - we are encouraged to. I'm doing my part, which is easy, because I don't like talking to people or going out anyway. I'm even (a single tear slides down my cheek) getting some models in my backlog painted.

 insaniak wrote:
https://www.livescience.com/how-long-coronavirus-last-surfaces.html

A new analysis found that the virus can remain viable in the air for up to 3 hours, on copper for up to 4 hours, on cardboard up to 24 hours and on plastic and stainless steel up to 72 hours.

It does go on to clarify that touching contaminated surfaces isn't thought to be the main way it's being transferred, but nobody's really sure yet. And, obviously, the chances of touching something contaminated would go up as the actual number of infected people goes up.

The experiments in this study are done under a controlled climate - 20-23C with humidity at 40% - which presumably would emulate a typical indoor environment. So these numbers wouldn't be applicable to an outdoor setting, with temperatures are outside this norm and UV radiation bombarding everything.

It's also worth pointing out that the numbers do drop over this time in a linear fashion, such that 50% hours later, there would be 50% the amount of virus. I just skimmed the study, but I didn't see if it went into how much virus was necessary to actually infect someone. So it would stand to logic that your chance of infection shrinks over time, with some point well before the maximum time that infection becomes a trivial concern.

And touching contaminated surfaces is probably not the main way it is transferred because the human skin is the first line of defense in your immune system. That's why they tell you to not touch your eyes, mouth, or nose and to wash your hands (especially before eating). The virus isn't transferred by touch alone.

Personally, bathroom door handles are what scare me. I've seen enough people not wash their hands after using the restroom (even number 2s) that it doesn't take a scary coronavirus to make me think twice about touching those. I think if we want to have a healthiness revolution in this country, we should start with bathroom doors. Getting out of a bathroom without touching the door handle with your freshly clean hands is sometimes a puzzle worthy of Monkey Island.

 Sqorgar wrote:
Getting out of a bathroom without touching the door handle with your freshly clean hands is sometimes a puzzle worthy of Monkey Island.

I wash my hands, dry them with a paper towel, and then open the door with said paper towel and then toss the towel from there. There is usually a garbage can right by the door.

This is problematic in bathrooms that only have hot air hand dryers, but those are pretty rare.

 Alpharius wrote:
How many people are also working with you/near you?

And are they limiting contact with others in their everyday lives, as much as they can?

Flatmate is a delivery driver....

One of the sites I work at occasionally is a cosmetics manufacturing laboratory, and their toilet has a special door handle that automatically jizzes a load of antibac gel into your hand when you pull it. No-one warned me it did that, was a nice little surprise...

Crispy78 wrote:
One of the sites I work at occasionally is a cosmetics manufacturing laboratory, and their toilet has a special door handle that automatically jizzes a load of antibac gel into your hand when you pull it. No-one warned me it did that, was a nice little surprise...

Why not just a motion sensor mounted next to the door?

My workplace has everything in the restroom on motion sensors - faucets, soap dispenser, paper towels and doors. So you don't actually need to touch anything.

That setup is also useful for saving water and power.