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Later in the day seems to work, if you time it right to the delivery lorry. Lots of people rush out in the morning and raid their shelves empty but the restocking happens

Which is the issue; lots in the supermarkets are frustraited because people are buying like nuts, but the food is getting back on the shelves in the day anyway. People are just buying way too fast

So they've shut off Stonehenge

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/20/stonehenge-equinox-solstice-better-place-coronavirus-closure



Huh, I didn't think they did that sort of thing anymore.

Worth a go though maybe eh ?

Did anyone else read that as "It's disappointing but we have to make SACRIFICES ?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Did anyone else read that as "It's disappointing but we have to make SACRIFICES ?

We’re all gamers here, I’m pretty sure we all did.

I think everyone on this board would certainly read it that way yeah

Closing down stuff like Stonehenge and other tourist areas is for the best though. It seems that a lot of people think its some kind of bank holiday.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I think everyone on this board would certainly read it that way yeah

Closing down stuff like Stonehenge and other tourist areas is for the best though. It seems that a lot of people think its some kind of bank holiday.

Thing is there's plenty of counties/towns/regions where there isn't any of the disease yet. So yes the supermarkets are bare and the restaurants and pubs are shut. You're off work or working from home and the schools are closed - but in the end whilst all that's happening the actual "danger" isn't "anywhere near us/me/region".

So for many people after a day or two of this change they get bored, don't know what to do with themselves so figure that they might go out somewhere. As long as they remain "socially distant" from everyone (except anyone working of course ;P) they are "safe". The whole "only for essential trips" bit gets overlooked.




Honestly its probably a bit like in the early days of WWII when everyone was putting up blackouts and being told to shut their lights off at night. Until a bomb lands in their circle of influence its still a remote event that won't have the point driven home for many.

I've been seeing a lot of this. I have a lot of friends and acquaintances who the moment stuff started shutting down were saying things like "hey we should go for vacation" or "hey let's all hang out tonight." Even my local 40k group is all fired up to play since everyone has off. So the people who are stuck working in many of the critical fields are being put in arguably much higher risk than if they had just enforced a hard closure, because now they have to work with a ton of people while the only ones are coming into their business think social distancing is a joke and haven't altered their behavior whatsoever.

Meanwhile I've been putting in 60-70 hours a week even though I've definitely NOT got a job critical to the public, and all I see are hundreds of people showing up to have fun where I work too. Our response was wear gloves, sanitize everything like crazy, and basically everything but close the place down. Which is stupid because so many companies are dragging their feet. Lots of my friends in factories for example can't even do the 6 foot distancing, and they're working with hundreds to thousands of people a day.

I don't think suggesting people stay home is going to work for this, especially in America. The amount of people who can't just stay at home with their own thoughts for a few days is staggering. My default response has become "y'all need to get a damn hobby" because the way some of these folks act you'd think they'd been snowed into a cabin for 3 months. As long as you let anything like retail or fast food be open, people will get together and go because for a lot of them this is the first real time off they've had in years. I don't blame them for wanting to do stuff, it's just frustrating.

Jerram wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Ghool wrote:
Heres a little tidbit released by the DoD concerning COVID19 vulnerability due to the flu vaccine:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31607599/

TLDR; if you’ve been vaccinated for the seasonal flu, you are more susceptible to COVID19 infection.

Isn't that likely to be because people the majority of people who get seasonal flu vaccines are already in higher risk groups (old, compromised immune systems etc.)?

I'll respond to this first because its in my wheel house.

Not in this case, I'm 99% certain this is all military members (DoD (Department of Defense) mandates and provides for all miltary members to get flu shots in season). I'm fairly sure there's little if any civil service because while they have health insurance they are treated in town with public doctors and not the DoD health system.

So you're talking in general, young and healthy, at least as when compared to the general public.

On Ft Gordon, even Dept Army Civilians (DACs) could get the vaccine for free along with the troops. We had to report by name who had been vaccinated a few months ago when the vaccine was given out.

I walked down to the Tesco on the edge of Henley for exercise, and to see how it was.

I was immensely cheered to find it well stocked with nearly everything needful except booze! The trolley boy was disinfecting the handles of the carts for customers, which was impressive by Tesco.

There weren't many customers, surprisingly. Maybe most of them are at home with piles of panic-bought stuff and don't need to go out for a bit.

A report from Codorgno in Italy, the first town to get slammed, said that the pani buy stopped when shops found time to get their shelves stocked and people could see the food wasn't running out.

Seems there are no reported cases in my neck of the woods. And if we all behave ourselves, that may remain the case for a good long while.

 CptJake wrote:

Jerram wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Ghool wrote:
Heres a little tidbit released by the DoD concerning COVID19 vulnerability due to the flu vaccine:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31607599/

TLDR; if you’ve been vaccinated for the seasonal flu, you are more susceptible to COVID19 infection.

Isn't that likely to be because people the majority of people who get seasonal flu vaccines are already in higher risk groups (old, compromised immune systems etc.)?

I'll respond to this first because its in my wheel house.

Not in this case, I'm 99% certain this is all military members (DoD (Department of Defense) mandates and provides for all miltary members to get flu shots in season). I'm fairly sure there's little if any civil service because while they have health insurance they are treated in town with public doctors and not the DoD health system.

So you're talking in general, young and healthy, at least as when compared to the general public.

On Ft Gordon, even Dept Army Civilians (DACs) could get the vaccine for free along with the troops. We had to report by name who had been vaccinated a few months ago when the vaccine was given out.

Yeah they get the same vaccine but that's the end of the interaction, doesn't give the DoD the data that would be used for this study. (And don't even get me started how poorly they track who got the shot when not done in the clinic, had to get "immunized" twice because they lost the paperwork. Im like "Really the Med Grp Commander gave me the shot right in front of the Wing Commander but no one knows I got the shot, GMAFB"

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seems there are no reported cases in my neck of the woods. And if we all behave ourselves, that may remain the case for a good long while.

Two confirmed in my area(N.Lincs) last time I checked. But the lack of testing is what's pushing me toward paranoia.

I cannot understand why the UK isn't testing. I assume the NHS just doesn't have enough equipment and staff.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I cannot understand why the UK isn't testing. I assume the NHS just doesn't have enough equipment and staff.

I assume lack of equipment and staff as well. It might also be that the UK has invested into stuff other than testing kits. Perhaps with the view of herd immunity being the plan they've invested more into treatment plans than into testing plans, since if you assume from the start that your population will majority be infected, there's little point worrying about testing everyone and better to just deal with the actual cases. Of course the UK has been testing and containing things, however it seems that containment has broken in enough spots that casual infection is happening.

It does somewhat show how some populations are much easier to contain and test and restrict movement of. However there's still the question over those countries if they are going to manage to maximise on the containment itself. Ergo you've contained your population; but at soon as things start moving (esp internationally) are you just going to get infection rates sweep through later. I doubt any nation could contain its population and maintain containment for a year or two years (or more) that it might take to develop specific drugs/vaccine to deal with this.

 godardc wrote:
Spain and France (all of the Mediterranean countries I think) have close social interaction and greetings I think, but I do agree that Italian are particularly close (at least, that's what is said). But the surge in case, despite the lockdown, is just incredibly catastrophic ! That's what is surprising me.
I'm super interested by South Korea too and how they handled the thing like champions, we should take example on them.
How did they English got so good in identifying the Chinese virus carriers coming to their country ? Is that why they have taken so long to act, thinking they were safe thanks to the sea and the borders ?

Italy has been in lockdown for 12 days now. Given the average incubation time of 5 days and the average manifestation time of severe symptoms of 7 days, 12 days is exactly when the peak should happen (remember that only severe cases are being registered right now due to lack of testing kits). So despite the horrifying numbers this is no cause for panic. It's the next week that will be really crucial, next week we should see the number of registered cases curve slowly flatten. If that still doesn't happen by then, that's when we'll know that gak has really hit the fan and that Italy/ Lombardy no longer has the virus under control.

Unless Italy can totally contain 100% of the infected and maintain 0% infected entering the country then any containment is only delaying another spike. Considering that vaccines and medication are talking years and containment is talking weeks to perhaps a month or more - its unlikely that we'll see a continual dip.

If anything there will be a series of dips and rises. Rises whenever containment (national/local) ends and people start moving again; dips when containment locks things down and infection of new people slows.



The real trick would be to lockdown everywhere and then re-activate only specific regions of the country at a time. Essentially any reactivation being an infected zone; but also being staggered so as to allow medical services to keep up and be moved around.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seems there are no reported cases in my neck of the woods. And if we all behave ourselves, that may remain the case for a good long while.

Sadly the will come.


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 Overread wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I cannot understand why the UK isn't testing. I assume the NHS just doesn't have enough equipment and staff.

I assume lack of equipment and staff as well. It might also be that the UK has invested into stuff other than testing kits. Perhaps with the view of herd immunity being the plan they've invested more into treatment plans than into testing plans, since if you assume from the start that your population will majority be infected, there's little point worrying about testing everyone and better to just deal with the actual cases. Of course the UK has been testing and containing things, however it seems that containment has broken in enough spots that casual infection is happening.

It does somewhat show how some populations are much easier to contain and test and restrict movement of. However there's still the question over those countries if they are going to manage to maximise on the containment itself. Ergo you've contained your population; but at soon as things start moving (esp internationally) are you just going to get infection rates sweep through later. I doubt any nation could contain its population and maintain containment for a year or two years (or more) that it might take to develop specific drugs/vaccine to deal with this.

We are testing , but only hospitalised patients as bluntly to many in community to test. There are no treatments only symptom management and would love to say there spending the money on ppe, but I am running out of masks already at work but especially the full length gowns.

Your right about restrictions causing issues when lifted not sure how they will solve this.

I'm just looking forward to the two years of police state rule and £1000 fines. That'll be fun...

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I've been seeing a lot of this. I have a lot of friends and acquaintances who the moment stuff started shutting down were saying things like "hey we should go for vacation" or "hey let's all hang out tonight." Even my local 40k group is all fired up to play since everyone has off. So the people who are stuck working in many of the critical fields are being put in arguably much higher risk than if they had just enforced a hard closure, because now they have to work with a ton of people while the only ones are coming into their business think social distancing is a joke and haven't altered their behavior whatsoever.

Meanwhile I've been putting in 60-70 hours a week even though I've definitely NOT got a job critical to the public, and all I see are hundreds of people showing up to have fun where I work too. Our response was wear gloves, sanitize everything like crazy, and basically everything but close the place down. Which is stupid because so many companies are dragging their feet. Lots of my friends in factories for example can't even do the 6 foot distancing, and they're working with hundreds to thousands of people a day.

I don't think suggesting people stay home is going to work for this, especially in America. The amount of people who can't just stay at home with their own thoughts for a few days is staggering. My default response has become "y'all need to get a damn hobby" because the way some of these folks act you'd think they'd been snowed into a cabin for 3 months. As long as you let anything like retail or fast food be open, people will get together and go because for a lot of them this is the first real time off they've had in years. I don't blame them for wanting to do stuff, it's just frustrating.

In Oregon, we just had one town close all retail establishments, hotels, rentals, and campgrounds because a ton of people decided to go to the coast this weekend on spring break instead of staying home, and told everyone visiting to leave within 24 hours. Other coastal cities are considering it too and the State gov is likely to increase restrictions as a result. A lot of people just haven't had the reality sink in, don't believe the risks, or just plain don't understand.

 Overread wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I think everyone on this board would certainly read it that way yeah

Closing down stuff like Stonehenge and other tourist areas is for the best though. It seems that a lot of people think its some kind of bank holiday.

Thing is there's plenty of counties/towns/regions where there isn't any of the disease yet. So yes the supermarkets are bare and the restaurants and pubs are shut. You're off work or working from home and the schools are closed - but in the end whilst all that's happening the actual "danger" isn't "anywhere near us/me/region".

So for many people after a day or two of this change they get bored, don't know what to do with themselves so figure that they might go out somewhere. As long as they remain "socially distant" from everyone (except anyone working of course ;P) they are "safe". The whole "only for essential trips" bit gets overlooked.




Honestly its probably a bit like in the early days of WWII when everyone was putting up blackouts and being told to shut their lights off at night. Until a bomb lands in their circle of influence its still a remote event that won't have the point driven home for many.

why shouldnt people go out though? I can walk from my house to my car, drive to somewhere nearby in the countryside, get out and have a walk, then get back in my car, and drive home. theres no way I'm shutting myself in until theres an actual policeman outside my house with a gun.

So question, how does everyone feel about eatin out now? Mostly Carryout? are there a lot of risks or what?

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I've been seeing a lot of this. I have a lot of friends and acquaintances who the moment stuff started shutting down were saying things like "hey we should go for vacation" or "hey let's all hang out tonight." Even my local 40k group is all fired up to play since everyone has off. So the people who are stuck working in many of the critical fields are being put in arguably much higher risk than if they had just enforced a hard closure, because now they have to work with a ton of people while the only ones are coming into their business think social distancing is a joke and haven't altered their behavior whatsoever.

Meanwhile I've been putting in 60-70 hours a week even though I've definitely NOT got a job critical to the public, and all I see are hundreds of people showing up to have fun where I work too. Our response was wear gloves, sanitize everything like crazy, and basically everything but close the place down. Which is stupid because so many companies are dragging their feet. Lots of my friends in factories for example can't even do the 6 foot distancing, and they're working with hundreds to thousands of people a day.

I don't think suggesting people stay home is going to work for this, especially in America. The amount of people who can't just stay at home with their own thoughts for a few days is staggering. My default response has become "y'all need to get a damn hobby" because the way some of these folks act you'd think they'd been snowed into a cabin for 3 months. As long as you let anything like retail or fast food be open, people will get together and go because for a lot of them this is the first real time off they've had in years. I don't blame them for wanting to do stuff, it's just frustrating.

Same, quite a few friends of mine feel the same and its like........do you guys think the government would shut down everything if this wasn't serious?

Greece. 550 cases 13 dead 18 critical.Total Lock down. You now (as of tomorrow) need a form filled by you and your employer to go to work. Also a different form to go anywhere else. Fines at 150 eu.
It will get a lot worse as idiots fled the capital the last two days.
Stay healthy people.
Also good luck to the Croats. When you think " well how worse can it get" it usually gets.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

why shouldnt people go out though? I can walk from my house to my car, drive to somewhere nearby in the countryside, get out and have a walk, then get back in my car, and drive home. theres no way I'm shutting myself in until theres an actual policeman outside my house with a gun.

Because lots of people will go out to the same spot of countryside; or the same beach or the same park etc... Which is the problem. Plus those who might head out to the highlands or such may not be experienced hikers. So suddenly it puts additional strain on mountain rescue teams which are already understaffed as medical staff are in the hospital system and those who purely volunteer are isolating at home and trying to avoid contact.


Government has already been on the TV to say that being outdoors still runs you at a risk of infection if you're socialising with people.

I honestly dont get what is so hard about staying home, its like......why cant you just do it?

 Overread wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

why shouldnt people go out though? I can walk from my house to my car, drive to somewhere nearby in the countryside, get out and have a walk, then get back in my car, and drive home. theres no way I'm shutting myself in until theres an actual policeman outside my house with a gun.

Because lots of people will go out to the same spot of countryside; or the same beach or the same park etc... Which is the problem. Plus those who might head out to the highlands or such may not be experienced hikers. So suddenly it puts additional strain on mountain rescue teams which are already understaffed as medical staff are in the hospital system and those who purely volunteer are isolating at home and trying to avoid contact.


Government has already been on the TV to say that being outdoors still runs you at a risk of infection if you're socialising with people.

Exactly this on bbc website local news highlands , mountain rescue outlining the problems they have with un prepared people and the risks to them and others. It's cold people up here.
Also did you see the pictures from the Wales walk ways crammed, large groups of bikers out and the fish and chip shop so packed they were like sardines, when it hits its gonna hurt, just remember when a gynecologist is putting you on a ventilator cause the rest of us are swamped you will wish you self isolated.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I honestly dont get what is so hard about staying home, its like......why cant you just do it?

In the words of Michael ‘Not At All Pob’ Gove?

People have had enough of experts

It’s as if embracing populism and anti-intellectualism has consequences.

konst80hummel wrote:
Greece. 550 cases 13 dead 18 critical.Total Lock down. You now (as of tomorrow) need a form filled by you and your employer to go to work. Also a different form to go anywhere else. Fines at 150 eu.
It will get a lot worse as idiots fled the capital the last two days.
Stay healthy people.
Also good luck to the Croats. When you think " well how worse can it get" it usually gets.

Thanks man. We have to stay indoors because of the virus, but then our houses could collapse on our heads. The ground has been shaking whole day, just half hour ago there was another noticable earthquake. Everybody are on the edge.

 crnaguja wrote:

konst80hummel wrote:
Greece. 550 cases 13 dead 18 critical.Total Lock down. You now (as of tomorrow) need a form filled by you and your employer to go to work. Also a different form to go anywhere else. Fines at 150 eu.
It will get a lot worse as idiots fled the capital the last two days.
Stay healthy people.
Also good luck to the Croats. When you think " well how worse can it get" it usually gets.

Thanks man. We have to stay indoors because of the virus, but then our houses could collapse on our heads. The ground has been shaking whole day, just half hour ago there was another noticable earthquake. Everybody are on the edge.

That's rubbish man, hope you are safe as are your family, all you can do is deal with the most pressing concern first.

Marxist artist wrote:

 crnaguja wrote:

konst80hummel wrote:
Greece. 550 cases 13 dead 18 critical.Total Lock down. You now (as of tomorrow) need a form filled by you and your employer to go to work. Also a different form to go anywhere else. Fines at 150 eu.
It will get a lot worse as idiots fled the capital the last two days.
Stay healthy people.
Also good luck to the Croats. When you think " well how worse can it get" it usually gets.

Thanks man. We have to stay indoors because of the virus, but then our houses could collapse on our heads. The ground has been shaking whole day, just half hour ago there was another noticable earthquake. Everybody are on the edge.

That's rubbish man, hope you are safe as are your family, all you can do is deal with the most pressing concern first.

Yeah, we are fine, but the walls of my(like 150 years old ) house are cracked. So...
Luckily nobody died(there are several serious inuries), because it was early in the morning when it happened (people weren´t on the streets). We can only hope there wont be more of the strong earthquakes.

 Nevelon wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Did anyone else read that as "It's disappointing but we have to make SACRIFICES ?

We’re all gamers here, I’m pretty sure we all did.

I read it and thought "doesn't that mean you CAN'T make sacrifices?"