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 RiTides wrote:
Long story short, I got tested this morning, but results will take 7-10 days to come back. Experiencing some of the symptoms (shortness of breath in particular, which would be an awful coincidence if it was something else, as it feels quite different from a cold to me) along with pretty strong body ache, which came first.

That's tough. I had the opposite experience last week- went in to check on a completely unrelated problem, apparently said the wrong key word (despite repeating 'no fever, no cough, no symptoms'), the receptionists had a quiet panic and I got sent off to be tested regardless. They didn't even let me check in to the system properly, and later insisted to family that tried to check up on me that I hadn't been there at all (though a shift change might have been involved as well, I dunno).

What I actually went in for got very little time or attention (turned out to be fairly minor, but neither they nor I knew that at the time), and got shuffled off with very little fanfare and next to no explanation of the results of the cursory check. And at the time, there had been no local cases of Covid in the county so far (its now 6), so their rush and disorder seemed excessive. As did getting checked over in a converted (and leaky) storage closet/shower- but that's where they could hook up some electronic gear in isolation. They basically weren't letting anyone into the actual ER, most people they were checking in a tent outside.

Of course, its now been 6 days since I was tested, and haven't gotten any results yet. So if I did have it, there'd be potential problems (though I haven't left my property since)

 Alpharius wrote:
The leader(s) of the US Federal Government are making noises about 'restarting the economy' as of March 30.

No idea what that means, other then going against all the advice Health Officials are giving them.

In Massachusetts, the Governor is basically closing all non-essential businesses starting...today, at noon.

Hard to believe that he'd sign up for anything even close to 'Business as Usual' in less then a week.

I guess we're fortunate to have Governors who will side with common sense - I hope.

That's right. The governors will do what they think is right to protect their people. And let's remember that some prominent, supposedly evil corporations shut down their operations at an enormous cost before the federal government asked them to do anything (did anything at all?).

TL;DR -- Everyone has family. No one wants to see people die. There are plenty of grown-ups in leadership positions.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Galas wrote:
You are a little out of the date Sqorgar.
Today we are at 39k infected with 2700 death. 12k infected alone are from Madrid.

I got it off the official WHO coronavirus map. It's usually a day or two behind - are you tell me that there have been 1,000 deaths in one or two days? That seems extreme even compared to Italy or China.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Updated daily at midnight. Yes Spain is approaching, and Italy is exceeding, 1000 deaths every two days.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Galas wrote:
You are a little out of the date Sqorgar.
Today we are at 39k infected with 2700 death. 12k infected alone are from Madrid.

I got it off the official WHO coronavirus map. It's usually a day or two behind - are you tell me that there have been 1,000 deaths in one or two days? That seems extreme even compared to Italy or China.

And 10k new infected at least detected on a single day, yeah.

 gorgon wrote:


That's right. The governors will do what they think is right to protect their people. And let's remember that some prominent, supposedly evil corporations shut down their operations at an enormous cost before the federal government asked them to do anything (did anything at all?).

TL;DR -- Everyone has family. No one wants to see people die. There are plenty of grown-ups in leadership positions.

Except for a certain Lt. Governor in Texas, anyway.

 Galas wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Galas wrote:
You are a little out of the date Sqorgar.
Today we are at 39k infected with 2700 death. 12k infected alone are from Madrid.

I got it off the official WHO coronavirus map. It's usually a day or two behind - are you tell me that there have been 1,000 deaths in one or two days? That seems extreme even compared to Italy or China.

And 10k new infected at least detected on a single day, yeah.

More like 6K.

6584 to be precise. The situation is bad enough without having to resort to hyperbole.

My bad. That was they said on the news.

So in Britain in the last few days, we've had, people robbing schools and nurseries for freezers, people robbing NHS workers for IDs, and people calling 999 to ask the police if they're allowed to leave their houses. Jesus were stupid.

 gorgon wrote:
That's right. The governors will do what they think is right to protect their people.

Surely there is a line they can't cross, though? Should we allow governors to decide which surgeries are elective or non-life threatening and can't be performed? Shouldn't that be a risk assessment made by actual doctors and their patients? Can they shutdown, for example, every bar in a state - many of which can not and will not be able to reopen? Should we give power like that to just one person with no oversight or recourse? It'd be like letting the governor unilaterally deciding to make abortions illegal - oh wait, those are elective and non-life threatening, so you can't get them done right now anyway...

 gorgon wrote:
[That's right. The governors will do what they think is right to protect their people. And let's remember that some prominent, supposedly evil corporations shut down their operations at an enormous cost before the federal government asked them to do anything (did anything at all?).

The federal government has no ability to declare a national lockdown or quarantine, which is why they did not and cannot. The best they can do is intercept people who are crossing state lines. All of this has been done at the state level, because that is where the authority to do so happens - but in reality, the states were generally late to the party as you say - private companies were taking measures by and large on their own.

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Why are people in Spain dying at so much more rapid of a pace?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:


That's right. The governors will do what they think is right to protect their people. And let's remember that some prominent, supposedly evil corporations shut down their operations at an enormous cost before the federal government asked them to do anything (did anything at all?).

TL;DR -- Everyone has family. No one wants to see people die. There are plenty of grown-ups in leadership positions.

Except for a certain Lt. Governor in Texas, anyway.

Yeah well...lieutenant governor is a useless position of epic proportions. I think some states don't have them at all. This is the lieutenant governor of PA and his wife:



And I think they ultimately get it with regard to the position. Last year they opened up the pool at the lieutenant governor's residence to camps and groups with inner city kids who ordinarily wouldn't have pool access. They don't stay there and don't want to, and figured the place should go to some good use if the public is paying for the thing.

Oh and some people set an Iceland truck on fire too.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Oh and some people set an Iceland truck on fire too.

Why the feth? What is that going to accomplish beyond destryoing logistical goods?


In other news.

Official swiss statistic in. sitting at 8836.
over 700 new from yesterday- In a population 8'57 mio inhabitants (some estimate that we have about 5k more. )

Effectiveness of meassures taken slowly denting in some regions according to some however federal governmnt does not reccomend lassier faire and expects further increase due to all non swiss italian regions beeing behind 2 weeks in essence.

It's important to remember that cases is directly linked to a countries testing. The UK doesn't seem to be doing mass testing and screening beyond those in a serious state already and beyond the early days infection and tracking for containment attempts.

So chances are the UK value could be far greater than the under 10K it currently stands at.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
So in Britain in the last few days, we've had, people robbing schools and nurseries for freezers, people robbing NHS workers for IDs, and people calling 999 to ask the police if they're allowed to leave their houses. Jesus were stupid.

Jesus !

 Sqorgar wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
That's right. The governors will do what they think is right to protect their people.

Surely there is a line they can't cross, though? Should we allow governors to decide which surgeries are elective or non-life threatening and can't be performed? Shouldn't that be a risk assessment made by actual doctors and their patients? Can they shutdown, for example, every bar in a state - many of which can not and will not be able to reopen? Should we give power like that to just one person with no oversight or recourse? It'd be like letting the governor unilaterally deciding to make abortions illegal - oh wait, those are elective and non-life threatening, so you can't get them done right now anyway...

The ban in Washington State covers elective surgeries and dental procedures only. I would assume that, if its something life threatening, its no longer an elective surgery. I don't think Jay Inslee (or any other governor) is in on every consult determining what is or isn't life threatening.

I have yet to hear anything about life critical surgeries being denied due to the ban on elective surgeries and dental procedures.

 Knight wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
So in Britain in the last few days, we've had, people robbing schools and nurseries for freezers, people robbing NHS workers for IDs, and people calling 999 to ask the police if they're allowed to leave their houses. Jesus were stupid.

Jesus !

What ,Here they wanted to Rob a bakery and i know of an instance of Stolen handsanitizer from a Hospital.


That behaviour is hardly surprising.

 RiTides wrote:
Long story short, I got tested this morning, but results will take 7-10 days to come back. Experiencing some of the symptoms (shortness of breath in particular, which would be an awful coincidence if it was something else, as it feels quite different from a cold to me) along with pretty strong body ache, which came first.

Isolating and let everyone I may have come into contact with know. Not worried about myself but hoping I didn't transmit it to anyone at risk, if I do have it (we were being very careful the last 10 days in particular, but with my little kids who catch everything I figured it was a matter of time).

Just wanted to update, stay safe and socially distant (but ideally still connected, like on here) everyone!

Stay safe, get better, hope all goes well you are doing the right thing.

 RiTides wrote:
Long story short, I got tested this morning, but results will take 7-10 days to come back. Experiencing some of the symptoms (shortness of breath in particular, which would be an awful coincidence if it was something else, as it feels quite different from a cold to me) along with pretty strong body ache, which came first.

Isolating and let everyone I may have come into contact with know. Not worried about myself but hoping I didn't transmit it to anyone at risk, if I do have it (we were being very careful the last 10 days in particular, but with my little kids who catch everything I figured it was a matter of time).

Just wanted to update, stay safe and socially distant (but ideally still connected, like on here) everyone!

If it makes you feel better, it seems coronavirus simply does not kill children, or even hit them very hard at all. Last I heard there were literally zero deaths below the age of 10. The biggest danger regarding kids is them transferring the disease to adults.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Knight wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
So in Britain in the last few days, we've had, people robbing schools and nurseries for freezers, people robbing NHS workers for IDs, and people calling 999 to ask the police if they're allowed to leave their houses. Jesus were stupid.

Jesus !

What ,Here they wanted to Rob a bakery and i know of an instance of Stolen handsanitizer from a Hospital.

I work in an office environ (currently working from home) and we have bottles of hand sanitizer at every door. Within 2 days of things starting to get a little more serious in Washington State 2 of the full bottles that were by doors that weren't used as frequently were stolen.. Its pretty mind boggling.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Knight wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
So in Britain in the last few days, we've had, people robbing schools and nurseries for freezers, people robbing NHS workers for IDs, and people calling 999 to ask the police if they're allowed to leave their houses. Jesus were stupid.

Jesus !

What ,Here they wanted to Rob a bakery and i know of an instance of Stolen handsanitizer from a Hospital.

In my hospital, they RIP them off the wall, we even had a guy walking around with a tub emptying all the hand sanitizer into it. Better yet a complete tool managed to ignore all the warning signs , massive signs, and forced open the door into the infection ward as he was looking for his mum who was visiting someone else in a different ward. How he didn't notice the dr and nurses in basically hazmat suits I will never know.

Also why have hospitals not banned visitors in the UK yet? Some have but many haven't.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
So in Britain in the last few days, we've had, people robbing schools and nurseries for freezers, people robbing NHS workers for IDs, and people calling 999 to ask the police if they're allowed to leave their houses. Jesus were stupid.

I take it your police have issued the same idiotic decrees about how they will only be responding to certain egregious crimes and will be working at minimal capacity as many of the departments over here have?

Marxist artist wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Knight wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
So in Britain in the last few days, we've had, people robbing schools and nurseries for freezers, people robbing NHS workers for IDs, and people calling 999 to ask the police if they're allowed to leave their houses. Jesus were stupid.

Jesus !

What ,Here they wanted to Rob a bakery and i know of an instance of Stolen handsanitizer from a Hospital.

In my hospital, they RIP them off the wall, we even had a guy walking around with a tub emptying all the hand sanitizer into it. Better yet a complete tool managed to ignore all the warning signs , massive signs, and forced open the door into the infection ward as he was looking for his mum who was visiting someone else in a different ward. How he didn't notice the dr and nurses in basically hazmat suits I will never know.

Also why have hospitals not banned visitors in the UK yet? Some have but many haven't.

having banned visitors allready, also why do you think sods like i are now drafted for helping out and marking presence?
Otoh it has settled down here, mostly due to an actual effort off the government and well the Kantons on top of it and measures taken aswell as higher awareness. So you have it worse then us.
Still i could do all sorts of things which would be more interesting then carrying beds and standing guard over sanitizer....

thankfully swiss apothecaries are now allowed to make their own hand sanitizer.



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Gadzilla666 wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
So in Britain in the last few days, we've had, people robbing schools and nurseries for freezers, people robbing NHS workers for IDs, and people calling 999 to ask the police if they're allowed to leave their houses. Jesus were stupid.

I take it your police have issued the same idiotic decrees about how they will only be responding to certain egregious crimes and will be working at minimal capacity as many of the departments over here have?

in such situations one needs to CALL in all the manpower to maintain order. No quarter given until the people actually realise that they are beeing stupid, then send that manpower back again.

they are. my wife is freaking out because our hospital has basically said i can be there for the birth, but thats it. soon as baby appears I'm out. its insanity.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
So in Britain in the last few days, we've had, people robbing schools and nurseries for freezers, people robbing NHS workers for IDs, and people calling 999 to ask the police if they're allowed to leave their houses. Jesus were stupid.

I don't know if it's a reference I'm not aware of, but for a few days I've been referring to the collective sub class that does this ballcocks as "the pork." I'm not sure where it came from, I assume I saw it on social media somewhere, but it's just spot on for the herd.

So first day of running a "key" retail operation(car spares) during the lock down was enlightening. Turns out my idea of what counts as a essential purchase is very different to what other people think. One of the most worthy moments was when a guy walked through the door past the social distancing and only one customer at a time posters, into the area we had cordoned off from the rest of the store with tables and hazard tape, and asked "cant I just have a look around?" Oh and the police had to be called to the local high street to disperse crowds of people who thought it was some kind of Sunday trading deal.

The numbers coming out of Spain and Italy are horrifying. But today I've interacted with people who still think the UK government is over reacting The stupid are going to kill so many people in this country before this is over.

My job has me out and about on the streets. We’re taking it upon ourselves to act as ‘social isolation wardens’, trying to spread the word to people who haven’t quite got the message, and helping to sic the cops on the ones that refuse to heed it.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
So in Britain in the last few days, we've had, people robbing schools and nurseries for freezers, people robbing NHS workers for IDs, and people calling 999 to ask the police if they're allowed to leave their houses. Jesus were stupid.

I take it your police have issued the same idiotic decrees about how they will only be responding to certain egregious crimes and will be working at minimal capacity as many of the departments over here have?

in such situations one needs to CALL in all the manpower to maintain order. No quarter given until the people actually realise that they are beeing stupid, then send that manpower back again.

Do you have any idea how much manpower that would entail in a country as big and heavily armed as the United States? With vast swaths of poor rural areas? Here in Appalachia you generally only see a cop when either a local drug dealer fails to pay his "taxes" or shots are fired as is in areas like mine. Actual police protection around here is only for the wealthy. They only exist for the rest of us to enforce the property rights of said wealthy and the government.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
So in Britain in the last few days, we've had, people robbing schools and nurseries for freezers, people robbing NHS workers for IDs, and people calling 999 to ask the police if they're allowed to leave their houses. Jesus were stupid.

I take it your police have issued the same idiotic decrees about how they will only be responding to certain egregious crimes and will be working at minimal capacity as many of the departments over here have?

in such situations one needs to CALL in all the manpower to maintain order. No quarter given until the people actually realise that they are beeing stupid, then send that manpower back again.

Do you have any idea how much manpower that would entail in a country as big and heavily armed as the United States? With vast swaths of poor rural areas? Here in Appalachia you generally only see a cop when either a local drug dealer fails to pay his "taxes" or shots are fired as is in areas like mine. Actual police protection around here is only for the wealthy. They only exist for the rest of us to enforce the property rights of said wealthy and the government.

First, guns per capita are here verifyably in the Level of texas. More likely more. So no guns have no impact alone.

Secondly depends on Terrain and how willing the state and institutions would be and how converted the Effort is, including Recruiting locals as auxilia etc.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
So in Britain in the last few days, we've had, people robbing schools and nurseries for freezers, people robbing NHS workers for IDs, and people calling 999 to ask the police if they're allowed to leave their houses. Jesus were stupid.

I would have thought crime would go massively down with a lockdown order?

Over here crime is reportedly down 50%, pollution has dropped by about the same level, I can actually hear songbirds all morning from my new home office.

If only once all this is over we could all rethink a bit about the general attitude towards telecommuting.