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sweden doesnt have a 'lockdown' in place does it?


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Being outside doesn't spread the virus, if you stay away from people.

France has banned people exercising between the hours of 10am and 7pm.... To stop people going out and spreading the virus, by ensuring they all go out en masse at the same time.. You literally couldn't make it up.

In positive news, petrol is almost back to £1 per litre. I can't even remember the last time I saw that.. Shame there's nothing you can use it on. I've used less than half a tank in 3 weeks.

I’d suggest peeps go fill up proper petrol cans, but I’ve no idea how safe that is, or the risk of the jungle juice evaporating before we get a chance to use it.

If you get a can with a decent lid and store it somewhere appropriate you'd be alright. we used to have tons of jerry cans at my old unit. I planned to requisition a few when I left but I totally forgot. shame.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
sweden doesnt have a 'lockdown' in place does it?

No, but following an incident with 500 people being complete tosspots in one of our ski resorts we're pretty much bullying people into taking this seriously. Our public health authorities have used the strongest language they're legally allowed to, telling people to stay the feth at home if possible and to take this seriously, it's just that some people are too stupid to realize that when a Swedish authority says "ought" or "should" it should be read as "shall", it's just that "shall" is only allowed to legally be used in laws, decrees and such.

I like watching the TV news reporters. They've been given microphones on long poles, which are good for pushing away or whacking people who get too close.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
sweden doesnt have a 'lockdown' in place does it?

No, but following an incident with 500 people being complete tosspots in one of our ski resorts we're pretty much bullying people into taking this seriously. Our public health authorities have used the strongest language they're legally allowed to, telling people to stay the feth at home if possible and to take this seriously, it's just that some people are too stupid to realize that when a Swedish authority says "ought" or "should" it should be read as "shall", it's just that "shall" is only allowed to legally be used in laws, decrees and such.

I'd be interested to see a numbers comparison with the UK which has a mostly consensual semi 'lockdown' and with france and their draconian enforced lockdown.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?

UK has a lower number of cases, but a high death rate for that number of cases.

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Going by the information on their 'about' page, this seems like a fairly legit source, and they broadly explain where they get their numbers.

Voss wrote:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?

UK has a lower number of cases, but a high death rate for that number of cases.

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Going by the information on their 'about' page, this seems like a fairly legit source, and they broadly explain where they get their numbers.

I don't know if that is because in the uk we only test politicians and people admitted to hospital, therefore only testing the sickest.

My company just furloughed all hourly retail and warehouse workers. They do not get pay, but they keep their health Care benefits until they are called back to work.

I hope you're okay, Easy E. I suppose a furlough with medical insurance at least is better than being kicked out of the medical scheme too.

@Martial artist, you're right. One reason why the UK death rate is high is because we aren't testing enough, so we are missing identification of lots of people who get only a mild case.

The reality is we will not have a good grasp on the actual numbers until after this is over.

Yes, to get the full picture we will have to wait months.

In the meantime, the more we test the clearer things will become.

The model that originally predicted over 100k deaths in the US has recently changed to around 82k which is a substantial difference. Unfortunately my source is the Coronavirus News Network
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/health/ihme-updated-covid19-model/index.html

When looking at US media one needs to also look at what a given outlet is reporting on. Even the more dubious channels can be quite reliable on certain subjects. Going into specifics would deviate into politics, but I would say CNN is not a bad source for coronavirus info.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I hope you're okay, Easy E. I suppose a furlough with medical insurance at least is better than being kicked out of the medical scheme too.

@Martial artist, you're right. One reason why the UK death rate is high is because we aren't testing enough, so we are missing identification of lots of people who get only a mild case.

I am fine as I am a member of the "Evil Overlord" class and can therefore WFH and still get pay and benefits.

 Jjohnso11 wrote:
The model that originally predicted over 100k deaths in the US has recently changed to around 82k which is a substantial difference. Unfortunately my source is the Coronavirus News Network
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/health/ihme-updated-covid19-model/index.html

Well, seeing as that actually tempers the official numbers rather than claiming the covernment is underprepared, I'm tempted to believe it.

the curve in BC Canada is beginning to flatten, we had less cases here this week then we did last week

Well, here's a brief walkthru of my day in the world of covid I just had.

I got up and took some zinc and vitamin c, which i do twice daily even when the zinc makes my stomach queasy. Milk helps.

I got my respirator, a big rubber one with side mounted filters, and went to my local dollar tree looking for some soup for my mom.

While I was in the store i saw a guy with a black surgical mask. It covered his mouth but he had it pulled down to expose his nose. For a moment i felt like i was the lead in a new horror movie "The last intelligent man on earth."

After coming out shaking my head in bewilderment at the level of stupidity I'd just been assaulted by, I went to my local evilmart (You might call it walmart) and, mask firmly in place, went shopping.

A week ago I'd been there and looked for some black primer paint, not a bottle in sight. Today, hallelujah!, there was a bottle of flat black apple barrel paint! A big one too! Yay!

A couple people actually complimented me for my mask, saying it was a good one. Wow, people saying nice stuff to me, and all it took was a pandemic to make it happen.

In turn I nodded at people wearing masks to acknowledge their intelligence, a commodity I am coming to value and respect more with each passing day now.

Coming home I saw my home town welcome sign, and noted that covid has killed far more americans than live in my home town already, with no end in sight.

I sit here now home, hopefully safe for the moment, typing this while a huge mass of blubber that's stuffed itself into a large sack of black and white fur with a pink nose lays on my desk, covering my mousepad and making typing as difficult as possible. I'm really wanting to get cracking on my DDA but am not sure I'll survive the massive doses of sugar and caffeine, blessed be thy name, it will take to give me the energy to pick up a brush and put my cat in the other room so I can try to get more done on it.

And that was my day with corona, how was yours?

Australia has curbstomped the curve and from the predicted 50,000 -150,000 deaths we are at 50 after 3 months....

Also despite all of the hospital beds supposed to be filled by Sunday just been we have 90 people in ICU in all of Australia. 8 here in Queensland.

The total number who have recovered in Australia will surpass active sufferers in a few days.

We are doing very well illness wise.

Modeling hopelessly incorrect for us and we appear to have done better in terms of speed to recovery quicker than any other developed country.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Australia has curbstomped the curve and from the predicted 50,000 -150,000 deaths we are at 50 after 3 months....

Also despite all of the hospital beds supposed to be filled by Sunday just been we have 90 people in ICU in all of Australia. 8 here in Queensland.

The total number who have recovered in Australia will surpass active sufferers in a few days.

We are doing very well illness wise.

Modeling hopelessly incorrect for us and we appear to have done better in terms of speed to recovery quicker than any other developed country.

I'm not actually surprised. Australia was not in the good climate zones for COVID IIRC. COVID seems to thrive specifically in temperate zones. Sub-tropical and desert environments seemed to be its worst areas.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Australia has curbstomped the curve and from the predicted 50,000 -150,000 deaths we are at 50 after 3 months....

Also despite all of the hospital beds supposed to be filled by Sunday just been we have 90 people in ICU in all of Australia. 8 here in Queensland.

The total number who have recovered in Australia will surpass active sufferers in a few days.

We are doing very well illness wise.

Modeling hopelessly incorrect for us and we appear to have done better in terms of speed to recovery quicker than any other developed country.

I'm not actually surprised. Australia was not in the good climate zones for COVID IIRC. COVID seems to thrive specifically in temperate zones. Sub-tropical and desert environments seemed to be its worst areas.

Well, Iran has had a rough time with it, despite the climate.

But on a similar vein, I've been wondering if the moderate Mediterranean climate of Italy and Spain tied into their infection and death rates.
It's something I'd hope that researchers are looking into, though its the type of analysis that doesn't make it into the media cycle at all these days.

The low rate in Australia might be informing the theories about a summer drop, though... which may actually mean a rise in cases down there as their autumn rolls on. This will turn into a extended bear if it turns out to be seasonal and the northern and southern hemispheres act as havens for the virus in its off months.

So today I put on one of the new fabric masks my mom has made (she' a seamstress and my parents live next door) to give them a test run for comfort, and went to the two stores near me, as each has things the other doesn't. Things I saw in my rural community in the US:

-The two stores I went to were just as full as I have ever seen them from before all this started.

-On the way to the second store, as I passed my house (each store is about three miles to either side of my house on the same road) one of the neighbors down the street had probably 15+ people at their house playing yard games. Six cars in their driveway.

-A few miles down the street, half a dozen people were at the local park playing half-court basketball.

-Other than me, exactly one other person I saw the whole evening had a mask on. Boy, all the others gave me wierd looks, as they shopped like it was any other day, standing around in groups like social distancing wasn't even a thing and shopping in groups of two or three for one cart.

Shelter in place and social distancing my ass, here's a reason things aren't improving here in the US yet.

 Matt Swain wrote:
Well, here's a brief walkthru of my day in the world of covid I just had.

I got up and took some zinc and vitamin c, which i do twice daily even when the zinc makes my stomach queasy. Milk helps.

I got my respirator, a big rubber one with side mounted filters, and went to my local dollar tree looking for some soup for my mom.

While I was in the store i saw a guy with a black surgical mask. It covered his mouth but he had it pulled down to expose his nose. For a moment i felt like i was the lead in a new horror movie "The last intelligent man on earth."

After coming out shaking my head in bewilderment at the level of stupidity I'd just been assaulted by, I went to my local evilmart (You might call it walmart) and, mask firmly in place, went shopping.

A week ago I'd been there and looked for some black primer paint, not a bottle in sight. Today, hallelujah!, there was a bottle of flat black apple barrel paint! A big one too! Yay!

A couple people actually complimented me for my mask, saying it was a good one. Wow, people saying nice stuff to me, and all it took was a pandemic to make it happen.

In turn I nodded at people wearing masks to acknowledge their intelligence, a commodity I am coming to value and respect more with each passing day now.

Coming home I saw my home town welcome sign, and noted that covid has killed far more americans than live in my home town already, with no end in sight.

I sit here now home, hopefully safe for the moment, typing this while a huge mass of blubber that's stuffed itself into a large sack of black and white fur with a pink nose lays on my desk, covering my mousepad and making typing as difficult as possible. I'm really wanting to get cracking on my DDA but am not sure I'll survive the massive doses of sugar and caffeine, blessed be thy name, it will take to give me the energy to pick up a brush and put my cat in the other room so I can try to get more done on it.

And that was my day with corona, how was yours?

Don't you guys have to fill out an application to leave your house? Also, you realise that not wearing masks doesn't automatically spread the virus right? So not wearing one doesn't make you stupid.

No, but it keeps people's coughs to themselves. Here in the US it's entirely voluntary, and basically no one is bothering in many areas. I still watch people sneeze and cough right into the open, with no effort to cover their mouths. At least a mask does that for them.

Yes I have had unhealthy looking specimens come waaay too close to be despite guidelines, I wear a mask to protect myself from the few, not the majority.

Not wearing a mask may not be stupid, but wearing one in an obviously ineffective way, well that is, in my book.

And there are people, a very sick minority, who seem to want to spread this around intentionally.

The modelling improves as the amount and accuracy of data gets better.

I say it's good news if the prediction about deaths in the USA has dropped, and let's hope it comes true.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
No, but it keeps people's coughs to themselves. Here in the US it's entirely voluntary, and basically no one is bothering in many areas. I still watch people sneeze and cough right into the open, with no effort to cover their mouths. At least a mask does that for them.

Depends on where you are. LA county is starting to roll out mandatory masks. Businesses need to mask their employees and they can refuse customers without one.

'The World Health Organization (WHO) has looked at the latest evidence about how this virus spreads, including whether it can be projected further than previously thought.

It wanted to re-examine whether the general public might benefit from wearing masks.

Its experts decided that medical masks should be reserved for healthcare workers, not the general public.

Only two groups of people should wear protective masks, those who are:

sick and showing symptoms
caring for people suspected to have the coronavirus.'

And whilst I'm skeptical of the WHO due to their funding and political affiliations, I dont see any reason for them to lie on a scientific matter like that.

Why, you were ready to declare them terrorists 10 pages ago? Is it just their findings confirm your bias now?

The main problem is that those "suspected to have the coronavirus" don't know they've got it for around a week. You could have it right now and not be aware of it for quite a while. So you could go out without a mask in all good faith that you're safe and end up spreading it.

I can appreciate their desire to preserve stocks and focus on emergency workers who are most at risk. Especially since we all saw how stocks got totally stripped for food and toilet roll and neither of those items was in short supply. Masks are a much more finite resource and if there was a mass panic buy you can bet they'd vanish within hours.


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Cronch wrote:
Why, you were ready to declare them terrorists 10 pages ago? Is it just their findings confirm your bias now?

We've blasted past the 50K deaths world wide. So I guess the WHO aren't terrorists any more.

That was Sqorgar who'd decided that conspiracy nuttimess was enough evidence to declare WHO terrorists.

QAR thinks any measures to prevent thousands or people from dying is definitive proof of the rise of the fourth reich!

(hyperbole only from me. Do not take seriously, please)

Cronch wrote:
Why, you were ready to declare them terrorists 10 pages ago? Is it just their findings confirm your bias now?

Maybe don't jump to conclusions. that wasnt me. I posted before about the director general of the WHO having possible financial interests with the PRC, in relation to the Taiwanese handling of the CV crisis. That doesnt mean that I discount all their advice.


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 Overread wrote:
The main problem is that those "suspected to have the coronavirus" don't know they've got it for around a week. You could have it right now and not be aware of it for quite a while. So you could go out without a mask in all good faith that you're safe and end up spreading it.

I can appreciate their desire to preserve stocks and focus on emergency workers who are most at risk. Especially since we all saw how stocks got totally stripped for food and toilet roll and neither of those items was in short supply. Masks are a much more finite resource and if there was a mass panic buy you can bet they'd vanish within hours.


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Cronch wrote:
Why, you were ready to declare them terrorists 10 pages ago? Is it just their findings confirm your bias now?

We've blasted past the 50K deaths world wide. So I guess the WHO aren't terrorists any more.

Thats the main issue. I think there would be panic buying of all kinds of masks were that to be implemented. there have also been calls to impose punishments on those who ARE wearing masks in the UK, which I disagree with, for hopefully obvious reasons.