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Took my little girl to the River Thames today to paddle. Place was absolutely rammed. People swimming and sunbathing, yet still we managed to maintain distance from people, barring the odd kid splashing past or people passing by. Short encounters that last no more than a second or two. This is why I dont see the issue with outdoor activity.
Only saw one police van, and in the words of the great warrior poet ice cube... 'they rolled right past me. It was a good day'
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Took my little girl to the River Thames today to paddle. Place was absolutely rammed. People swimming and sunbathing, yet still we managed to maintain distance from people, barring the odd kid splashing past or people passing by. Short encounters that last no more than a second or two. This is why I dont see the issue with outdoor activity.
Only saw one police van, and in the words of the great warrior poet; ice cube... 'they rolled right past me. It was a good day'
And that's all the virus needs to spread. The wind makes the distancing pointless.
Jesus Christ the local news is a litany of stupid.
In 3 separate incidents 2 people have drowned and six surfers rescued (3 sent to hospital) despite warnings not to enter the ocean because there's currently no lifeguards on duty.
Despite that, retired lifeguards and other semi-qualified people have ended up risking their necks because people are too dumb to comprehend a simple fact like the sea is lethal.
Road across Dartmoor was closed for hours because 2 bikers seem to have tried to do an impression of the LHC.
Parts of the county are on fire for the second day because some moron didn't dispose of a barbecue correctly.
They wonder why people in tourist areas have been asking for a distance limit on travelling for "exercise."
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: Jesus Christ the local news is a litany of stupid.
In 3 separate incidents 2 people have drowned and six surfers rescued (3 sent to hospital) despite warnings not to enter the ocean because there's currently no lifeguards on duty.
Despite that, retired lifeguards and other semi-qualified people have ended up risking their necks because people are too dumb to comprehend a simple fact like the sea is lethal.
Road across Dartmoor was closed for hours because 2 bikers seem to have tried to do an impression of the LHC.
Parts of the county are on fire for the second day because some moron didn't dispose of a barbecue correctly.
They wonder why people in tourist areas have been asking for a distance limit on travelling for "exercise."
sort of glad my intertube intake is limited to whatever the 360 can manage and fb on the kindle but its indeed a shambles in the shire at the mo
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
It's not that he has made these trips. Those by themselves might be excusable for any individual given the circumstance (although those are arguably circumspect).
It's the utter spinelessness and failure to hold to account by the rest of Gov. The rules around lockdown are already all over the place, and how many people will have seen that and said "well if he can do it so can I?" And will now be taking even less heed of the current situation than they already are.
I feel so sorry for people who have suffered loss through these months and then had a slap to the face in this manner - comments from people who were unable to attend the bedside of dying relatives. Of who could not attend funerals or give personal comfort to other family members. And he has the gall to sit and shrug as though he has done nothing wrong? It makes me so fething angry.
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how many people will have seen that and said "well if he can do it so can I?"
I've seen that rolled out a lot today, but the reality is that anyone who was being diligent will likely be continuing to do so, and if it comes up at all it will be to justify behaviour by those who would have found some other reason to justify the behaviour they were going to do anyway.
The sub group of people who were adhering to the rules that throw up their hands and declare feth it solely because one public figure (and not the first, let's not forget) arguably broke some guidelines has got to be microscopic.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
how many people will have seen that and said "well if he can do it so can I?"
I've seen that rolled out a lot today, but the reality is that anyone who was being diligent will likely be continuing to do so, and if it comes up at all it will be to justify behaviour by those who would have found some other reason to justify the behaviour they were going to do anyway.
The sub group of people who were adhering to the rules that throw up their hands and declare feth it solely because one public figure (and not the first, let's not forget) arguably broke some guidelines has got to be microscopic.
Two other public figures. Both of whom fell on their sword.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Quite honestly, I'm rather impressed with the precautions most people are taking.
My FLGS opened up, but to limited numbers. People are even allowed to game in the back, but no more than 4 people max and they have to call in ahead of time and it's preferred they wear a mask. A lot of local businesses are re-opening but exercising caution and placing reasonable limitations.
I think it's a good thing, people can make some reasonable choices and function without the local governments trying to lock the place down like we just got the Rage Virus from 28 Days Later but with extra snot and boogers.
(Wait- seriously, do you UK guys call 'boogers' "Bogeys"?)
Anyway, I think the problem is there are people who are getting into a full-blown panic. People who just freak the hell out at the idea of someone having a couple of friends over at his house for a cookout. I mean, I get it- it's probably really nice to sit around and collect a stimulus check and not work. But right now a lot of small local businesses (including my FLGS that I do part-time weekend work) are not sure if they'll make it through another month of full-blown quarantine.
Adeptus Doritos wrote: Quite honestly, I'm rather impressed with the precautions most people are taking.
My FLGS opened up, but to limited numbers. People are even allowed to game in the back, but no more than 4 people max and they have to call in ahead of time and it's preferred they wear a mask. A lot of local businesses are re-opening but exercising caution and placing reasonable limitations.
I think it's a good thing, people can make some reasonable choices and function without the local governments trying to lock the place down like we just got the Rage Virus from 28 Days Later but with extra snot and boogers.
(Wait- seriously, do you UK guys call 'boogers' "Bogeys"?)
Anyway, I think the problem is there are people who are getting into a full-blown panic. People who just freak the hell out at the idea of someone having a couple of friends over at his house for a cookout. I mean, I get it- it's probably really nice to sit around and collect a stimulus check and not work. But right now a lot of small local businesses (including my FLGS that I do part-time weekend work) are not sure if they'll make it through another month of full-blown quarantine.
Bogeys?
Never heard of it.....
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Azreal13 wrote: It looks like there's a chance that a vaccine could go the same way as SARS and MERS vaccines, ie the disease burns out before work is finished..
Yeah it's dissapearing now due to lockdown. However lockdown isn't going to be infinite so the moment it's lifted the cases starts to go up. First slow, then fast as the R number goes up.
Problem with viruses is without vaccines you can't get completely rid of it. With lockdown you can keep numbers down but do you think lockdown will be held 50 years? 100? 200?
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I'm not worried about catching it outside. Pretty much at all.
Yes, the wind certainly does disperse it.
Disperse - distribute or spread over a wide area.
And dilute. I should have let's said for clarity. I imagine theres a law similar to the inverse square applied to the dispersal of droplets by wind.
Sure sure, that is definitely how that works when large groups of people rush out to the beaches and parks for reopening. All of their breath and spit will be diluted by the wind. I would definitely add "do not stand down wind" to the social distancing list.
This reopening is going to be both hilarious and tragic for people.....
Azreal13 wrote: It looks like there's a chance that a vaccine could go the same way as SARS and MERS vaccines, ie the disease burns out before work is finished..
Yeah it's dissapearing now due to lockdown. However lockdown isn't going to be infinite so the moment it's lifted the cases starts to go up. First slow, then fast as the R number goes up.
Problem with viruses is without vaccines you can't get completely rid of it. With lockdown you can keep numbers down but do you think lockdown will be held 50 years? 100? 200?
I'm not worried about catching it outside. Pretty much at all.
Yes, the wind certainly does disperse it.
Disperse - distribute or spread over a wide area.
And dilute. I should have let's said for clarity. I imagine theres a law similar to the inverse square applied to the dispersal of droplets by wind.
Sure sure, that is definitely how that works when large groups of people rush out to the beaches and parks for reopening. All of their breath and spit will be diluted by the wind. I would definitely add "do not stand down wind" to the social distancing list.
This reopening is going to be both hilarious and tragic for people.....
Do not stand down wind.. of what/whom? anyone? because thats basically impossible unless you're in a remote area with few other people. I dont even know why I'm explaining. did you read the links?
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Adeptus Doritos wrote: I mean, I get it- it's probably really nice to sit around and collect a stimulus check and not work.
I strongly suspect that this scenario doesn't exist outside of people's imaginations, particularly considering that for anyone not working, that single $1200 stimulus check (equating to about a single month of Federal minimum wage pay) is loooooooooong gone and they'll be feeling the same intense financial pressures as anyone else...
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
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Azreal13 wrote: It looks like there's a chance that a vaccine could go the same way as SARS and MERS vaccines, ie the disease burns out before work is finished..
Yeah it's dissapearing now due to lockdown. However lockdown isn't going to be infinite so the moment it's lifted the cases starts to go up. First slow, then fast as the R number goes up.
Problem with viruses is without vaccines you can't get completely rid of it. With lockdown you can keep numbers down but do you think lockdown will be held 50 years? 100? 200?
I'm not worried about catching it outside. Pretty much at all.
Yes, the wind certainly does disperse it.
Disperse - distribute or spread over a wide area.
And dilute. I should have let's said for clarity. I imagine theres a law similar to the inverse square applied to the dispersal of droplets by wind.
Sure sure, that is definitely how that works when large groups of people rush out to the beaches and parks for reopening. All of their breath and spit will be diluted by the wind. I would definitely add "do not stand down wind" to the social distancing list.
This reopening is going to be both hilarious and tragic for people.....
Do not stand down wind.. of what/whom? anyone? because thats basically impossible unless you're in a remote area with few other people. I dont even know why I'm explaining. did you read the links?
From people. How are you not getting this? I am telling you this is going to be impossible outdoors. Even in the link it says that outdoors is not safe, people should not consider it safe, and the only way it is going to work is by keeping up extreme social distancing while outside. I read the links.
“You can go to the beach, you can go to the park, and it can be safe,” he said. “It’s just you have to be cognizant of the fact that the virus is there.” It is there, it is around. This is more about people willing to take the risk of getting sick by going outside than it being SAFE to go outside. It is still not safe to go outside, because people are there.
Anyway, I think the problem is there are people who are getting into a full-blown panic. People who just freak the hell out at the idea of someone having a couple of friends over at his house for a cookout. I mean, I get it- it's probably really nice to sit around and collect a stimulus check and not work. But right now a lot of small local businesses (including my FLGS that I do part-time weekend work) are not sure if they'll make it through another month of full-blown quarantine.
You may be having fun sitting at home collecting that stimulus check, but I work for a local mom and pop restaurant. My hours got increased and we have been begging them to hire more people so we can stop working 6-7 days a week. We are not having any issues with business at all. In a town of 5000 people. Maybe the issue is the type of business they are.
I see that in order to make one of his key messages, that not only was he an early, enthusiastic advocate of lockdown, but that he predicted Covid last year, Cummings edited two old blog posts, but was apparently unaware that's very easy to demonstrate. So that's the key figure behind lockdown messaging not only breaking his own rules, but seeking to justify it by lying about how he was even more instrumental (and prescient!) in bringing those rules about.
Whichever position you take on the political aspects, there's no question that this farce is seriously damaging for public trust in coronavirus policy. That said, I don't think it'll have much of an effect. His behaviour will have little effect on the people who don't like him, and essentially all his defenders, who were pretty much all fans already, already thought lockdown was unnecessary and were doing exactly the same RAW loophole grandstanding.
So far coronaviridae associated with the influenza like-like illness display seasonal circulation and like other agents such as rhinoviridae and influenza are causes of influenza-like illness. Different types of coronaviruses coexist in most winter seasons in countries such as the UK, and the current outbreak is associated with latitude and COVID deaths and cases in the Northern Hemisphere. However, MERs is mainly associated with contacts with camels and SARs 2002-03 has not been identified since.
Higher temperatures likely affect the survival of SARs-CoV-2. As a consequence, those countries with higher temperature and higher relative humidity might have found it easier to manage the outbreak for this reason. However, while most major outbreaks have appeared within a narrow temperature band there have not been similar outbreaks in some countries with the same temperature bands. The reasons for this disparity are not currently clear.
COVID – ‘wave’ or sporadic outbreaks?
The theory of pandemics is murky. The best known is the cyclical theory based on influenza occurrence. This foresees cycles of infection when the natural immunity to the previous agent dies out with the passing away of survivors. This cycle up until recently was thought to span 70 years approximately. However, this theory does not fit all the evidence and the rise of other microbiological agents such as coronaviridae imposes a radical rethink and proper investigation of the ecology of the lesser-known respiratory agents.
The disappearance of a respiratory virus for decades with a sudden reappearance, in some cases virtually unchanged requires serious investigation. Meanwhile, the chaotic nature of epidemics and their consequent disruption should lead us to be cautious about forecasting the future.
We do not know for certain whether COVID will recur in phases, or sporadic outbreaks or disappear altogether.
Conclusion
Making absolute statements of certainty about ‘ second waves’ is unwise, given the current substantial uncertainties and novelty of the evidence. As we cannot see the future and our understanding of this new agent is in its infancy we think preparedness planning should be inspired by robust surveillance, the flexibility of response and rigid separation of suspected or confirmed cases. These measures should stand for all serious outbreaks of respiratory illness.
Johnson says he has had to start wearing glasses (which he's been wearing frequently in photos since 2014) since being ill and Michael Gove has told LBC toast that he's driven to test his eyesight in the past so this is the post-truth, anything-to-save-the-boss world in which we're trying to manage a pandemic.
Adeptus Doritos wrote: Quite honestly, I'm rather impressed with the precautions most people are taking.
My FLGS opened up, but to limited numbers. People are even allowed to game in the back, but no more than 4 people max and they have to call in ahead of time and it's preferred they wear a mask. A lot of local businesses are re-opening but exercising caution and placing reasonable limitations.
I think it's a good thing, people can make some reasonable choices and function without the local governments trying to lock the place down like we just got the Rage Virus from 28 Days Later but with extra snot and boogers.
(Wait- seriously, do you UK guys call 'boogers' "Bogeys"?)
Anyway, I think the problem is there are people who are getting into a full-blown panic. People who just freak the hell out at the idea of someone having a couple of friends over at his house for a cookout. I mean, I get it- it's probably really nice to sit around and collect a stimulus check and not work. But right now a lot of small local businesses (including my FLGS that I do part-time weekend work) are not sure if they'll make it through another month of full-blown quarantine.
Then we should be demanding the govt do more to prevent the closure of businesses. Such as a rent and utilities freeze and NOT prematurely opening.
Sometimes, people need to be told what to do for their own, yeh everyone in Dakka might do what is well, but most won't.
I took the family to Nettlebed for a long walk yesterday. It was their first time in the car for 8 or 9 weeks, as I've been doing all the big weekly supermarket runs.
There were a lot of cars parked in the village. Onviously lots of people had the same idea. However, once we got into the woods, it was quite rare to meet people and it was easy to get 2 metres apart when we did.
I suppose the difference on a beach is that you might spend a long time in moderately close proximity to other people. The 2m distance thing is based on coughing droplets, not virus particles. The particles can drift a lot farther before they fall to the ground. If you're 3m from someone else for an hour, maybe you get a lot of exposure.
In other virus related news, the research on Hydroxyquinoline (spel?) has showed it doubles the death rate from the virus.
Kilkrazy wrote: I took the family to Nettlebed for a long walk yesterday. It was their first time in the car for 8 or 9 weeks, as I've been doing all the big weekly supermarket runs.
There were a lot of cars parked in the village. Onviously lots of people had the same idea. However, once we got into the woods, it was quite rare to meet people and it was easy to get 2 metres apart when we did.
I suppose the difference on a beach is that you might spend a long time in moderately close proximity to other people. The 2m distance thing is based on coughing droplets, not virus particles. The particles can drift a lot farther before they fall to the ground. If you're 3m from someone else for an hour, maybe you get a lot of exposure.
In other virus related news, the research on Hydroxyquinoline (spel?) has showed it doubles the death rate from the virus.
Did you go to the warburg nature reserve? thats a nice walk.
Kilkrazy wrote: I took the family to Nettlebed for a long walk yesterday. It was their first time in the car for 8 or 9 weeks, as I've been doing all the big weekly supermarket runs.
There were a lot of cars parked in the village. Onviously lots of people had the same idea. However, once we got into the woods, it was quite rare to meet people and it was easy to get 2 metres apart when we did.
I suppose the difference on a beach is that you might spend a long time in moderately close proximity to other people. The 2m distance thing is based on coughing droplets, not virus particles. The particles can drift a lot farther before they fall to the ground. If you're 3m from someone else for an hour, maybe you get a lot of exposure.
In other virus related news, the research on Hydroxyquinoline (spel?) has showed it doubles the death rate from the virus.
You mean that so called wonder cure was a death trap all along? I’m shocked! Shocked!
...well, not that shocked.
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Kilkrazy wrote: I took the family to Nettlebed for a long walk yesterday. It was their first time in the car for 8 or 9 weeks, as I've been doing all the big weekly supermarket runs.
There were a lot of cars parked in the village. Onviously lots of people had the same idea. However, once we got into the woods, it was quite rare to meet people and it was easy to get 2 metres apart when we did.
I suppose the difference on a beach is that you might spend a long time in moderately close proximity to other people. The 2m distance thing is based on coughing droplets, not virus particles. The particles can drift a lot farther before they fall to the ground. If you're 3m from someone else for an hour, maybe you get a lot of exposure.
In other virus related news, the research on Hydroxyquinoline (spel?) has showed it doubles the death rate from the virus.
You mean that so called wonder cure was a death trap all along? I’m shocked! Shocked!
...well, not that shocked.
And yet I bet that the person who was pushing that lie is going to continue to claim that he is taking it every day.
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I’m trying to enjoy the sun myself, out on the balcony. Getting drunk alone, yay.
Before that though, I was around at a chippy that has reopened with some restrictions. Good to have some unhealthy food again...but there’s always that one donkey-cave, and they’re always the same, who just has to make things difficult.
Breaking social distancing and getting pissy about it when called out on it, but even before all this happened they’d be problematic...standing blocking the doorway, taking forever to get their money out...walking around aimless invading your personal space, talking at the top of their lungs...fething donkey-caves.
I don’t think it’s unique to here but we are inundated with deafening overgrown toddlers.
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