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2020/08/26 16:28:47
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
I've experimented a bit between NDK and GMDK. The 50pts is definitely worth it. The NDK got a 9e buff with shooting while engaged and getting to move and shoot without penalty.
But the difference between BS3+ and BS2+ reroll 1s is absurd. The GMDK NEVER misses (with both guns, statistically it's 17.5 hits) compared to the NDK (with only 12 hits).
So Psychic Onslaught is therefore incredibly more CP-efficient on a GMDK.
I still like my flamer/fists NDK coming in from DS. But I will keep the shooting with the GMDK.
I like having a 'dreadknight wing' you will. I have a gmndk and a few ndk with him to benefit from his aura of reroll 1s. Ndks with a reroll aura nearby are just as killy as the gmndk last edition (arguably more killy cause shooting in cc) and for less points than the 8th gmndk.
Will test this out soon. But planning on 1 gmndk, and 3 ndk all kitted with sword, psilencer, and psycannon. They teleport strike together.
Or I might trade out the gmndk for draigo for better rerolls and draigo is awesome
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2020/08/26 16:31:48
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
greyknight12 wrote: In the GK Facebook group there is a bit of not-so-friendly rivalry between Ben and Matthew (the other GK list, which beat Ben’s). Bear in mind the tournament ruled to agree with Ben Cherwim that Tide of Shadows gives -1 to hit in the open so people never left Shadows.
which is wrong and its why i dont trust the List or skills of Ben at all .. If you have to resort to shenanigans to make your list work (for example how he had 2050 points in his first list) then you most likely dont understand your army fully. I dont even know why the tournament organizators would allow such a rule to exist.
What's the argument behind this? I cannot find anything that would support such an interpretation.
2020/08/26 17:46:39
Subject: Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
I've experimented a bit between NDK and GMDK. The 50pts is definitely worth it. The NDK got a 9e buff with shooting while engaged and getting to move and shoot without penalty.
But the difference between BS3+ and BS2+ reroll 1s is absurd. The GMDK NEVER misses (with both guns, statistically it's 17.5 hits) compared to the NDK (with only 12 hits).
So Psychic Onslaught is therefore incredibly more CP-efficient on a GMDK.
I still like my flamer/fists NDK coming in from DS. But I will keep the shooting with the GMDK.
I like having a 'dreadknight wing' you will. I have a gmndk and a few ndk with him to benefit from his aura of reroll 1s. Ndks with a reroll aura nearby are just as killy as the gmndk last edition (arguably more killy cause shooting in cc) and for less points than the 8th gmndk.
Will test this out soon. But planning on 1 gmndk, and 3 ndk all kitted with sword, psilencer, and psycannon. They teleport strike together.
Or I might trade out the gmndk for draigo for better rerolls and draigo is awesome
Yeah. I have 5 or 6 DK models, so the though of throwing all of them on the table has crossed my mind a few times. You could definitely swarm/threat overload someone with the regular ones.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2020/08/26 22:08:30
Subject: Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
FFridge wrote: and abusing such RAW rules will often lead to nerfs of our fraction, which isnt helping the whole thing
Why worry about tomorrow when you can win today and sell the army later?
That doesn't really work out for dedicated GK players, unless of course if instead - you're more of a meta chaser and army flipper.
That is, you look up for proven tournament winning army lists (or wait till someone posts it up for you), chose which of those "net lists" you can most easily acquire (trade/borrow models, buy the cheapest number of box-kits required etc.), copy the strategies on the table and probably get those extra wins...till the meta changes / catches up / GW swings its standard heavy nerf bat...then prepare your current army (GK in this case) to be sold/traded, as soon as you sniff on the wind a different tournament winning army...rinse and repeat.
2020/08/27 17:37:50
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
I don't think the smite nerf is as bad as everyone says. Start battle forged that's +1 to cast so a 4+ smite then empyric surge. Second smite goes off on a 4+ third smite goes off on 5+ after that units start getting affected by the ability. But I personally don't always smite unless it's a daemon army I'm fighting. Hammerhand is more viable now as we don't have to worry about overwatch as often. I'd still use brother captains but if you wanted to you could always just run em as grand masters or librarians.
The Brother Captain's sole selling point if the fact that he increased the army's Smite range to 24". Now that he can't provide a castle of dudes long range reliable smites in tide of escalation he, and tide of escalation itself, are functionally useless. It also neuters our psychic game in general because our smites are short-ranged baby smites to compensate for the fact that we could once spam them like no other faction could. Now we get the same cap as everyone else with inferior smites even on characters.
I also hope no one was particularly fond of strike squads (I was), since their big selling point besides being cheaper than terminators was that they were more efficient smite platforms during tide of escalation or even outside of it. 9th edition and its focus on durable units to claim and hold objectives already made them less valuable, but this probably kills them.
It's a garbage change.
yes, and to add, we need even less minimum troops, so less strikes = less smites = less need for escalation. The battalion detachment also limits the number of HQ we can take by one (I think?), so it's also convenient to NOT take a BC. All around, until the new codex comes out, GK are in a less-than-optimal position with the smite limbo we've been put in.
2020/08/28 12:22:45
Subject: Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
wuestenfux wrote: Well, I'm toying with the idea to add three Invictors to my GK.
They can be an absolute pain for an enemy army that is not really prepared for them.
Just remember that you lose tides with any allies.
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2020/08/30 04:50:37
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
BillyN831 wrote: Are Brother-Captains or Grand Masters better? Thank you.
Depends on what you want to do. Both are a support character with strong beatstick abilities. Profiles are essentially the same except for an extra attack on the GM. Both can take the same loadouts.
GMs are 138(with a sword/halberd) and BCs are 118.
Is the point difference worth it? I'd say that 20pts is overpriced for a single attack. However, GMs also let you reroll 1s for all units within 6". That's a very powerful ability.
The BC makes your smites 24" instead of 18" and doesn't have the reroll bubble.
I've pretty much stopped using any tides except Shadows, given the increasing warp cost of our smites. In addition to being one less thing to keep track of, it also lets me not take the associated psychic power (if I really need that slot for something else).
So then this would cinch it for me. HOWEVER, I don't really take a GM either, since I instead take GMDK, who have the same ability.
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2020/09/01 12:59:38
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
BillyN831 wrote: Are Brother-Captains or Grand Masters better? Thank you.
Depends on what you want to do. Both are a support character with strong beatstick abilities. Profiles are essentially the same except for an extra attack on the GM. Both can take the same loadouts.
GMs are 138(with a sword/halberd) and BCs are 118.
Is the point difference worth it? I'd say that 20pts is overpriced for a single attack. However, GMs also let you reroll 1s for all units within 6". That's a very powerful ability.
The BC makes your smites 24" instead of 18" and doesn't have the reroll bubble.
I've pretty much stopped using any tides except Shadows, given the increasing warp cost of our smites. In addition to being one less thing to keep track of, it also lets me not take the associated psychic power (if I really need that slot for something else).
So then this would cinch it for me. HOWEVER, I don't really take a GM either, since I instead take GMDK, who have the same ability.
Make your smite 24" instead of 12". He doubles the smite range of 12. Rites of banishment makes smite 12"
Also, I want to see how smite spam goes with 2w purifier spam. Not likely highly competitive, but want to do a crowe, bc, purifier from land raiders build. We start our smite at +1 to cast and have a strat to give a +1 cast aura, so it will take a few casts for them to become unreliable. Add in a relic to reroll a cast a turn. I think it can work.
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2020/09/01 22:15:29
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
BillyN831 wrote: Are Brother-Captains or Grand Masters better? Thank you.
Depends on what you want to do. Both are a support character with strong beatstick abilities. Profiles are essentially the same except for an extra attack on the GM. Both can take the same loadouts.
GMs are 138(with a sword/halberd) and BCs are 118.
Is the point difference worth it? I'd say that 20pts is overpriced for a single attack. However, GMs also let you reroll 1s for all units within 6". That's a very powerful ability.
The BC makes your smites 24" instead of 18" and doesn't have the reroll bubble.
I've pretty much stopped using any tides except Shadows, given the increasing warp cost of our smites. In addition to being one less thing to keep track of, it also lets me not take the associated psychic power (if I really need that slot for something else).
So then this would cinch it for me. HOWEVER, I don't really take a GM either, since I instead take GMDK, who have the same ability.
Make your smite 24" instead of 12". He doubles the smite range of 12. Rites of banishment makes smite 12"
Also, I want to see how smite spam goes with 2w purifier spam. Not likely highly competitive, but want to do a crowe, bc, purifier from land raiders build. We start our smite at +1 to cast and have a strat to give a +1 cast aura, so it will take a few casts for them to become unreliable. Add in a relic to reroll a cast a turn. I think it can work.
That sounds right to me brother. I support you in your purification burden
Just remember to bring a couple of incinerators for extra purging of never borns.
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2020/09/08 09:36:24
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
The Brother Captain's sole selling point if the fact that he increased the army's Smite range to 24". Now that he can't provide a castle of dudes long range reliable smites in tide of escalation he, and tide of escalation itself, are functionally useless. It also neuters our psychic game in general because our smites are short-ranged baby smites to compensate for the fact that we could once spam them like no other faction could. Now we get the same cap as everyone else with inferior smites even on characters.
I also hope no one was particularly fond of strike squads (I was), since their big selling point besides being cheaper than terminators was that they were more efficient smite platforms during tide of escalation or even outside of it. 9th edition and its focus on durable units to claim and hold objectives already made them less valuable, but this probably kills them.
^ Looks like 30 Strikes is still tournament competitive. I like how in 9Ed, either Terminator troops, or Strike troops are tournament worthy now, you just need to learn how to play them to the best effect. Just like some other tournament lists, I myself use a combination of both!
As predicted, Venerable dreads also keeping their place in numerous competitive GK tourney lists too!
wuestenfux wrote: The following GT list looks quite interesting:
In view of performing actions, are Servitors now a good idea to integrate?
Regardless if they are good or bad they are the cheapest screen that we can have without breaking our tides bonus as they have the GK keyword and the most efficient way to bring body numbers.
How important is body count in 9th edition?
2020/09/10 06:28:18
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
wuestenfux wrote: The following GT list looks quite interesting:
In view of performing actions, are Servitors now a good idea to integrate?
Regardless if they are good or bad they are the cheapest screen that we can have without breaking our tides bonus as they have the GK keyword and the most efficient way to bring body numbers.
How important is body count in 9th edition?
Well, I'm looking for proxy models when it comes to Servitors.
Guardsmen would be a fluffy choice but Servitors look definitely different.
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wuestenfux wrote: The following GT list looks quite interesting:
In view of performing actions, are Servitors now a good idea to integrate?
Regardless if they are good or bad they are the cheapest screen that we can have without breaking our tides bonus as they have the GK keyword and the most efficient way to bring body numbers.
How important is body count in 9th edition?
Well, I'm looking for proxy models when it comes to Servitors.
Guardsmen would be a fluffy choice but Servitors look definitely different.
I've kitbashed mines from mixin bits of genestealers cults and skitaris that comes on my kill team box. Fluff wise there is also the Deimos forgeworld which is exclusively dedicated to serving the needs of the chapter 666, including servitors. So I guess that skitari also can be justified fluff wise.
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2020/10/05 19:37:41
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
Updates from the FAQ: New marine weapons for the faction, which has limited usefulness outside of vehicles since everyone has bespoke GK weapons anyway. Also, RIP Draigo as storm shields are now the +1 / 4++ from SM; that said he can still get by with a little help from his friends (or himself) with Sanctuary or Heed to get back to a 3++. No statline changes yet.
Some interesting potential for the future codex with our Nemesis Force Weapons, based on changes to power weapons.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2020/10/06 14:34:36
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
greyknight12 wrote: Updates from the FAQ: New marine weapons for the faction, which has limited usefulness outside of vehicles since everyone has bespoke GK weapons anyway. Also, RIP Draigo as storm shields are now the +1 / 4++ from SM; that said he can still get by with a little help from his friends (or himself) with Sanctuary or Heed to get back to a 3++. No statline changes yet.
Some interesting potential for the future codex with our Nemesis Force Weapons, based on changes to power weapons.
Overall I was very disappointed. Every other chapter now has 2W marines, 3W Termies. The closest analogue to Paladins, DA Inner Circle Termies, now have an innate Transhuman effect.
Even TSons, since they have force weapons on Sorcerers, got an upgrade. Not our special snowflake Nemesis.
Also, there will nearly ALWAYS be a better target for Sanctuary than Draigo. GMDK or Terminator blob will get a lot more survivability out of it than a single character. Heed is a better choice, but still rather expensive for a T4 7W unit.
Also, there's a new SM power that gives a 5++ bubble. Whereas ours is a single unit gets a 5++.
"[We have] an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay." 1 Peter 1.4
"With the Emperor there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1.17
“Fear the Emperor; do not associate with those who are given to change.” Proverbs 24.21
2020/10/06 15:43:33
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
greyknight12 wrote: Updates from the FAQ: New marine weapons for the faction, which has limited usefulness outside of vehicles since everyone has bespoke GK weapons anyway. Also, RIP Draigo as storm shields are now the +1 / 4++ from SM; that said he can still get by with a little help from his friends (or himself) with Sanctuary or Heed to get back to a 3++. No statline changes yet.
Some interesting potential for the future codex with our Nemesis Force Weapons, based on changes to power weapons.
Overall I was very disappointed. Every other chapter now has 2W marines, 3W Termies. The closest analogue to Paladins, DA Inner Circle Termies, now have an innate Transhuman effect.
Even TSons, since they have force weapons on Sorcerers, got an upgrade. Not our special snowflake Nemesis.
Also, there will nearly ALWAYS be a better target for Sanctuary than Draigo. GMDK or Terminator blob will get a lot more survivability out of it than a single character. Heed is a better choice, but still rather expensive for a T4 7W unit.
Also, there's a new SM power that gives a 5++ bubble. Whereas ours is a single unit gets a 5++.
Yup. Hopefully soon we get a codex.
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2020/10/22 22:02:29
Subject: Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
"[We have] an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay." 1 Peter 1.4
"With the Emperor there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1.17
“Fear the Emperor; do not associate with those who are given to change.” Proverbs 24.21
2020/10/26 06:32:41
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
I’ve had exactly 1 game with them and swapped back to Custodes. Long story short, Paladin bomb worked because of 8th Ed ITC and playing against normal marines is being outclassed in 3/4 of the phases. I think a lot of people (myself included) are waiting to see what a new codex brings.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2020/10/26 19:34:49
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
I looked at Game Workshop website and did not find Grand Masters. Is kit bashing Brother Captains into Grand Masters good? How many daemon hammers and incinerators in a Strike Squad? How are Brother-Captain Stern and Castellan Crowe fluff wise?
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2020/10/28 13:32:17
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
greyknight12 wrote: I’ve had exactly 1 game with them and swapped back to Custodes. Long story short, Paladin bomb worked because of 8th Ed ITC and playing against normal marines is being outclassed in 3/4 of the phases. I think a lot of people (myself included) are waiting to see what a new codex brings.
GK infantry army takes 1st Place at recent Fall Brawl Tournament:
All GK infantry, over 75 models, including a Brotherhood Champion, 10 Interceptors, 15 Purgation, 20 Strikes....AND 30 Purifiers!
Even surpassing runners up:
- 3rd Place DA Deathwing Army (majority Terminator models)
- 2nd Place Necrons Army (the beastly Silent King included)
Who needs that extra infantry wound? (Yeah, we still do lol, but the proven GK tourney winner shows even without our Codex...GKs don't have to lose competitively all the time...??)
2020/11/05 13:28:47
Subject: Re:Grey Knights Tactica: The Psychics Awaken!
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