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Dread Master wrote:
Yeah, that canister hanging thing is really poorly conceived for characters that presumably have to do more than shuffle to get around.

They have two canisters though, according to art. One on back, one on the front. Yeah, dangling in front of your knees looks kind of dumb, but presumably has a justification (easy to hide behind low cover/hill rim so it doesn't get damaged?) and in fact various militaries used bags hanging from the belt, so I guess if it's light it wouldn't be that inconvenient. Or maybe it just unclipped from belt/chest, dunno.

People who design minis should, at some point, have to larp or cosplay in elaborate SF/F outfits so they realise how daft a lot of them would be. And yes if I had some kit dangling between my knees at a larp it would rapidly get moved or discarded.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
People who design minis should, at some point, have to larp or cosplay in elaborate SF/F outfits so they realise how daft a lot of them would be. And yes if I had some kit dangling between my knees at a larp it would rapidly get moved or discarded.

Yes!

Just like all BL authors should actually play the game.

PenitentJake wrote:
Just like all BL authors should actually play the game.

"He teleported from orbit to precisely 45 feet away from the enemy line. He knew he had exactly 11.11% chance of reaching the foul traitors before they could back away. The battle was in the God-Emepror's hands now."

Maybe not.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:
Just like all BL authors should actually play the game.

"He teleported from orbit to precisely 45 feet away from the enemy line. He knew he had exactly 11.11% chance of reaching the foul traitors before they could back away. The battle was in the God-Emepror's hands now."

Maybe not.

It was a massive battle, a full company of Ultramarines versus nearly twice their number of orks. 3rd Squad opened fire at the oncoming boyz from 50 meters away. Their .75 caliber bolters ejaculated 4-round bursts of mass reactive explosive rounds, targeted by their enhanced senses and the machine spirts of their armor.

1/3 of the bursts just missed completely. Another 1/3 struck the savage greenskins but despite exploding inside the target did not actually wound them. The final 1/3 actually caused casualties.

Captain Cracius watch the three orks fall to the ground and nodded sagely. A blow well struck by the Emperor's elite.


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 Ian Sturrock wrote:
People who design minis should, at some point, have to larp or cosplay in elaborate SF/F outfits so they realise how daft a lot of them would be. And yes if I had some kit dangling between my knees at a larp it would rapidly get moved or discarded.

Because hardcore realism is what I look for in my Space Knights vs Fungus Monster game!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

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 Ian Sturrock wrote:
People who design minis should, at some point, have to larp or cosplay in elaborate SF/F outfits so they realise how daft a lot of them would be. And yes if I had some kit dangling between my knees at a larp it would rapidly get moved or discarded.

Because hardcore realism is what I look for in my Space Knights vs Fungus Monster game!

There's a whole spectrum between "hardcore realism" and designing things that look stupid once you look at them once and think for a few seconds.

Like this or the Primaris Pickup, or the Primaris Stealth Mech that offers the pilot 0 protection or the Primaris Speeder that has gigantic guns mounted right between the ears of a pilot.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:
Just like all BL authors should actually play the game.

"He teleported from orbit to precisely 45 feet away from the enemy line. He knew he had exactly 11.11% chance of reaching the foul traitors before they could back away. The battle was in the God-Emepror's hands now."

Maybe not.

It was a massive battle, a full company of Ultramarines versus nearly twice their number of orks. 3rd Squad opened fire at the oncoming boyz from 50 meters away. Their .75 caliber bolters ejaculated 4-round bursts of mass reactive explosive rounds, targeted by their enhanced senses and the machine spirts of their armor.

1/3 of the bursts just missed completely. Another 1/3 struck the savage greenskins but despite exploding inside the target did not actually wound them. The final 1/3 actually caused casualties.

Captain Cracius watch the three orks fall to the ground and nodded sagely. A blow well struck by the Emperor's elite.
...

Both of you guys have read the same book? This sounds like my favourite BL author! Who's writing is it?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Because hardcore realism is what I look for in my Space Knights vs Fungus Monster game!

There's a whole spectrum between "hardcore realism" and designing things that look stupid once you look at them once and think for a few seconds.

Like this or the Primaris Pickup, or the Primaris Stealth Mech that offers the pilot 0 protection or the Primaris Speeder that has gigantic guns mounted right between the ears of a pilot.

I know, I know. GW seems to have lost the ability to make credible looking vehicles sometime after the Valkyrie came out.

OOT outfits are fine for Eldar or Chaos or even Marines where there's some magic or super tech involved. But for the Ashwastes Nomads their aestetic should be low tech and practical. The bionic leg bugs me more than the tank or the banner. A wooden leg would be fine but just can't see the Nomads having collections of cyber limbs or doctors who can install them.

Maybe there will be a good explanation, maybe the Nomads have hidden lairs full of high tech. But like I said the model shown is kind of dialed up to 11 on the details and do-dads, when I'd be happier around 6 or 7.

 tauist wrote:
Both of you guys have read the same book? This sounds like my favourite BL author! Who's writing is it?

From the sounds of it, Ian Watson.

Kyoto will get that.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

OOT outfits are fine for Eldar or Chaos or even Marines where there's some magic or super tech involved. But for the Ashwastes Nomads their aestetic should be low tech and practical. The bionic leg bugs me more than the tank or the banner. A wooden leg would be fine but just can't see the Nomads having collections of cyber limbs or doctors who can install them.

I agree with KK. This model is a jumbled mess. It's like they threw as many details on it as possible and now they're all competing for your attention. The dude looks like a walking garbage dump and not in an interesting way. It's just a field of visual noise.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Both of you guys have read the same book? This sounds like my favourite BL author! Who's writing is it?

From the sounds of it, Ian Watson.

Kyoto will get that.

Ejaculating bolters is the finest use of the verb ejaculate until Harry Potter's "Ron ejaculated loudly" 10 year later.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

I know, I know. GW seems to have lost the ability to make credible looking vehicles sometime after the Valkyrie came out.

OOT outfits are fine for Eldar or Chaos or even Marines where there's some magic or super tech involved. But for the Ashwastes Nomads their aestetic should be low tech and practical. The bionic leg bugs me more than the tank or the banner. A wooden leg would be fine but just can't see the Nomads having collections of cyber limbs or doctors who can install them.

You're assuming that it's installed correctly (meaning: no chance of rejection by the patient), that the leg isn't just a bionic leg from a servitor and any number of things.

Maybe there will be a good explanation, maybe the Nomads have hidden lairs full of high tech. But like I said the model shown is kind of dialed up to 11 on the details and do-dads, when I'd be happier around 6 or 7.

That's not really a "high-tech" bionic though, is it? Compare it to the Skitarii bionics, the House Greim advisor, or hell the bionics on Orlock doggos.

And then remember there is still stuff in the lore we've never actually seen. Per the Tempestus book, their medkits include single-use disposable(!) bionics.

Considering how human life is cheap in the Imperium, casual access to boinics is peculiar, but I think long established in the lore.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Because hardcore realism is what I look for in my Space Knights vs Fungus Monster game!

There's a whole spectrum between "hardcore realism" and designing things that look stupid once you look at them once and think for a few seconds.

Like this or the Primaris Pickup, or the Primaris Stealth Mech that offers the pilot 0 protection or the Primaris Speeder that has gigantic guns mounted right between the ears of a pilot.

But for the Ashwastes Nomads their aestetic should be low tech and practical. The bionic leg bugs me more than the tank or the banner. A wooden leg would be fine but just can't see the Nomads having collections of cyber limbs or doctors who can install them.

Given the state of Necromunda, I don't think it's too unreasonable to think that a shoddy metal bionic is probably actually easier to get hold of than wood. Especially as they seem to be scavengers/raiders taking gear from the Ganger convoys.

We'll see what the lore brings up (if anything). Presumably those guys have been self-sufficient out in the wastes for long enough that they've learned how to do (relatively) routine procedures for the setting.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Because hardcore realism is what I look for in my Space Knights vs Fungus Monster game!

There's a whole spectrum between "hardcore realism" and designing things that look stupid once you look at them once and think for a few seconds.

Like this or the Primaris Pickup, or the Primaris Stealth Mech that offers the pilot 0 protection or the Primaris Speeder that has gigantic guns mounted right between the ears of a pilot.

OOT outfits are fine for Eldar or Chaos or even Marines where there's some magic or super tech involved. But for the Ashwastes Nomads their aestetic should be low tech and practical. The bionic leg bugs me more than the tank or the banner. A wooden leg would be fine but just can't see the Nomads having collections of cyber limbs or doctors who can install them.

Maybe there will be a good explanation, maybe the Nomads have hidden lairs full of high tech. But like I said the model shown is kind of dialed up to 11 on the details and do-dads, when I'd be happier around 6 or 7.

To be fair, I don't think the Ash Wastes have an abundance of vegetation

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Considering how human life is cheap in the Imperium, casual access to boinics is peculiar, but I think long established in the lore.

Bionics are fairly easily reusable I would think. Just like Kreig care more about the equipment than the troops, if someone with a bionic limb dies, it can just be removed and attached to someone else, unlike organic organ transplants.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Because hardcore realism is what I look for in my Space Knights vs Fungus Monster game!

There's a whole spectrum between "hardcore realism" and designing things that look stupid once you look at them once and think for a few seconds.

Like this or the Primaris Pickup, or the Primaris Stealth Mech that offers the pilot 0 protection or the Primaris Speeder that has gigantic guns mounted right between the ears of a pilot.

OOT outfits are fine for Eldar or Chaos or even Marines where there's some magic or super tech involved. But for the Ashwastes Nomads their aestetic should be low tech and practical. The bionic leg bugs me more than the tank or the banner. A wooden leg would be fine but just can't see the Nomads having collections of cyber limbs or doctors who can install them.

Maybe there will be a good explanation, maybe the Nomads have hidden lairs full of high tech. But like I said the model shown is kind of dialed up to 11 on the details and do-dads, when I'd be happier around 6 or 7.

To be fair, I don't think the Ash Wastes have an abundance of vegetation

Cheap bionics made from scraps probably would be much cheaper than any wood or other "Natural" and "Mundane" materials in Necromunda.

 Galas wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Because hardcore realism is what I look for in my Space Knights vs Fungus Monster game!

There's a whole spectrum between "hardcore realism" and designing things that look stupid once you look at them once and think for a few seconds.

Like this or the Primaris Pickup, or the Primaris Stealth Mech that offers the pilot 0 protection or the Primaris Speeder that has gigantic guns mounted right between the ears of a pilot.

OOT outfits are fine for Eldar or Chaos or even Marines where there's some magic or super tech involved. But for the Ashwastes Nomads their aestetic should be low tech and practical. The bionic leg bugs me more than the tank or the banner. A wooden leg would be fine but just can't see the Nomads having collections of cyber limbs or doctors who can install them.

Maybe there will be a good explanation, maybe the Nomads have hidden lairs full of high tech. But like I said the model shown is kind of dialed up to 11 on the details and do-dads, when I'd be happier around 6 or 7.

To be fair, I don't think the Ash Wastes have an abundance of vegetation

Cheap bionics made from scraps probably would be much cheaper than any wood or other "Natural" and "Mundane" materials in Necromunda.

You could just make the peg leg out of metal instead of wood. Or wasteland creature bone. Got to be enough of that stuff laying around.

Personally I don't have a problem with the bionic limb as such. Presumably there are plenty of donors passing through to get your hands on one. I'd be more concerned about what that means for the models. If it's a sprue of five and doubled up as usual, every fifth guy will have that bionic leg. That might be a little much for such a specific piece of hardware. Which is to say arm or head bionics would be better because you get several options for those per body. Legs you don't. Maybe GW could design that more cleverly with a separate lower limb and the option to go with a bionic or a good leg.

Don’t be surprised, if the Cawdor sprue is anything to go by.

Returning to this,

 Kanluwen wrote:

You know that the pollution layer moves, right?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Plus most Underhive dwellers won’t be used to the sun, given their near troglodytic living arrangements.

 Flinty wrote:


Famous enough that GW's official promotional material has a pretty big sun-related motif

Touche, well done, you have jointly established that sunlight is a factor in the Ash Wastes. But we're firmly in "can't see the forest for the trees" territory, now.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Dunno. It’s definitely functional.

Plan your ambush so that when you strike, the sun is behind you. The banner thing keeps that sun off the top of your head, and helps to confuse your outline some - especially if your opponent isn’t wearing some kind of glare protection.

This is the forest. The trees are the sun.

I don't think any guerilla infantry organization in the history of everything has said, "Here's an idea, let's make our profiles bigger. And, by the by, lads, we're going to do this by making everyone carry an extra 10+ pounds of equipment that makes it difficult for you to move under an overhang." I think a better doctrine for "confusing your outline" is, y'know, crouching or laying down.

So put me in the "hopes it's just a banner" camp. Of course, with all the other nonsensical stuff in the 40K universe portable sand-stands would fit right in...

 Altruizine wrote:

I don't think any guerilla infantry organization in the history of everything has said, "Here's an idea, let's make our profiles bigger. And, by the by, lads, we're going to do this by making everyone carry an extra 10+ pounds of equipment that makes it difficult for you to move under an overhang." I think a better doctrine for "confusing your outline" is, y'know, crouching or laying down.

So put me in the "hopes it's just a banner" camp. Of course, with all the other nonsensical stuff in the 40K universe portable sand-stands would fit right in...

I always forget ghillie suits are super light and form fitting, and not heavy or bulkier than the person wearing them in any way at all.


You wanna argue that a canister between the knees isn't made for walking? Knock yourself out.
But the idea that ambushers don't ever wear 10+ pounds of equipment that's bulky and inconvenient is just utterly wrong.

Can you link me to the pictures of the ghillie suits that double their wearer's height?

Not quite the same thing, but I thought this was too hilarious not to share



Just perfect for hunting fast moving vehicles in the ash deserts

That picture looks like something out of macbeth's nightmare

 Altruizine wrote:

This is the forest. The trees are the sun.

I don't think any guerilla infantry organization in the history of everything has said, "Here's an idea, let's make our profiles bigger. And, by the by, lads, we're going to do this by making everyone carry an extra 10+ pounds of equipment that makes it difficult for you to move under an overhang." I think a better doctrine for "confusing your outline" is, y'know, crouching or laying down.

See, now you're being excessively nitpicky. We don't know that the Ash Waste Nomads are a "guerilla infantry organization". We just know that they're in fact guerillas. We do see them with cavalry and what look like vehicles.

So put me in the "hopes it's just a banner" camp. Of course, with all the other nonsensical stuff in the 40K universe portable sand-stands would fit right in...

It fits right in with logic too. It might be hard to see conceptually for now, given that it's just a single model, but there are quite a few different ways it could work.


In reply to your second bit about "doubling height", I'm just gonna throw this out. That's a Crusader tank, decoyed up as a much larger cargo truck using a sandcover as part of Operation: Bertram. The wacky and wild British command for North Africa employed a bunch of artists specifically to come up with stuff like that.

Something tells me you can't exactly survive unaided in the Wastes, like you'll die if you dont.

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Like the bug riders!

 Altruizine wrote:
I don't think any guerilla infantry organization in the history of everything has said, "Here's an idea, let's make our profiles bigger. And, by the by, lads, we're going to do this by making everyone carry an extra 10+ pounds of equipment that makes it difficult for you to move under an overhang." I think a better doctrine for "confusing your outline" is, y'know, crouching or laying down.

Seriously?

Literally every army pre-WW1 was doing this. You ever seen any 1700s or 1800s military hats and coats?

Here, first example, Serbian irregular infantry/guerillas against Turks, what here tells you 'small profile'?

timd wrote:
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Wondering how much that set is going to cost.
It looks amazing but I know it’s going to cost appendages.

My money is on $250. My buddy suggests $300 and he’s probably going to be closer.