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Sorry if I missed this already being posted, Genestealer 'build a creed' apparent leaks:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It is on topic because it's related to the speed of the books being put out and the quality of them. It's pretty simple. Either defend them or don't.

What news or rumour content does it contain? Discussing the general quality of their publications isn't for in here.

Yes it is, otherwise there would be absolutely NO posts here besides the rumors and news and all threads would be locked.

I should be so lucky.

Man, those custom cult creeds are a master class in just a game company DESPERATELY trying to make sure you can do nothing with them.

Other armies, you know, they get traits on all their models. Your average gsc army with custom traits benefits from them on like...10 models. So many traits that affect one, coubt them exactly one unit.

-psychic one: literally affects one model maximum per detachment who casts one power per turn. And it has a fething restriction, lol. Cant let you just HAVE that sweet +1 on your magus.

- bike one. Only for bikers, in fact, only for two weapon options on the 1 in 4 quad add on to the bikes.

-two that only affect the optional heavy weapons on neophyte squads.

-one that gives you the same reroll you can buy on any unit for 10pts.

-one that gives you +1 to charge in the first turn. We...have no units that can possibly charge turn 1....

Aaamazing.

the_scotsman wrote:
Man, those custom cult creeds are a master class in just a game company DESPERATELY trying to make sure you can do nothing with them.

Other armies, you know, they get traits on all their models. Your average gsc army with custom traits benefits from them on like...10 models. So many traits that affect one, coubt them exactly one unit.

-psychic one: literally affects one model maximum per detachment who casts one power per turn. And it has a fething restriction, lol. Cant let you just HAVE that sweet +1 on your magus.

- bike one. Only for bikers, in fact, only for two weapon options on the 1 in 4 quad add on to the bikes.

-two that only affect the optional heavy weapons on neophyte squads.

-one that gives you the same reroll you can buy on any unit for 10pts.

-one that gives you +1 to charge in the first turn. We...have no units that can possibly charge turn 1....

Aaamazing.

At least our models looks nice :3

 Rippy wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Man, those custom cult creeds are a master class in just a game company DESPERATELY trying to make sure you can do nothing with them.

Other armies, you know, they get traits on all their models. Your average gsc army with custom traits benefits from them on like...10 models. So many traits that affect one, coubt them exactly one unit.

-psychic one: literally affects one model maximum per detachment who casts one power per turn. And it has a fething restriction, lol. Cant let you just HAVE that sweet +1 on your magus.

- bike one. Only for bikers, in fact, only for two weapon options on the 1 in 4 quad add on to the bikes.

-two that only affect the optional heavy weapons on neophyte squads.

-one that gives you the same reroll you can buy on any unit for 10pts.

-one that gives you +1 to charge in the first turn. We...have no units that can possibly charge turn 1....

Aaamazing.

At least our models looks nice :3

For the short time they remain on the table? Just another case of factions being treated differently in the same book a la Faith and Fury. Proof that gw plays favorites?

As others said before the release, I think its just lack of imagination on alternative ways to play GSC. DE arguably had similar I think because its hard to have interesting rules that will apply to a handful of units.

Tyel wrote:
As others said before the release, I think its just lack of imagination on alternative ways to play GSC. DE arguably had similar I think because its hard to have interesting rules that will apply to a handful of units.

Atleast they got Build a trait.
Allbeit, when you look at half these you have to pick from they might aswell could've saved ink and not print them....

Yeah I'm sorry Cult players, it just sucks a good deal they feel like they didn't care about dirty cultists. For the other factions, glad you got some fun stuff in it.

The on topic part of the dislike was saying how some dislike how they handle and may be pumping this product out to be. You can still like the game and even get the product to stay relevant in any way ( like say Grey Knights for their book ).

I just don't like some aspects of it and really hope this isn't a pay for power soon to be brushed away with no codex drops just different enough to make getting this feel like I've been taken for a ride. I also dislike how some factions feel like after thoughts or are dragged through a bunch of these books all for marginal upgrades if any.

No bashing the devs, or questioning their smarts, I just don't like that aspect of this process. I kind of wonder what else lay in store for everyone else down the road. If the Orks will get a half effort while wolves run wild, we will see soon enough.

No bashing the devs, or questioning their smarts, I just don't like that aspect of this process. I kind of wonder what else lay in store for everyone else down the road. If the Orks will get a half effort while wolves run wild, we will see soon enough.

Assuming that what we've seen repeated time and again sofar, i'd honestly not have high hopes as an Ork player.

Either way I look forward to seeing it. I'm also curious as I have wolves what their stuff will look like. I fear it'll be all CC based but I'd like it to be more tactical to kinda feed into that close range, true grit kinda close range shooting/assault I've always run them as.

I could see either but I'm quietly dread filled it'll be something of dubious use going by what their current touch is with the +1 to hit in CC and better heroic intervenes.

Trying to steer it to the future what's everyones thoughts, fears, hopes, aspirations and dark dreads ?

This was probably written back when GSC were winning quite a lot of tournaments, thus their reluctance to pour too much love on GSC.

This is going to keep happening until GW move to a digital, truly living ruleset and not one six months behind the meta but we all know that won't happen whilst dead tree copies shift.

 Arbitrator wrote:
This was probably written back when GSC were winning quite a lot of tournaments, thus their reluctance to pour too much love on GSC.

Putting love into an army is not the same as putting power into it. You can put side-grades in, utility that makes an army more flexible rather than deal more damage or enable new archetypes that are not using the current most powerful stuff.

GW's designers really need to learn that.

I find it amusing that, once again, GW failed to include the points cost of their brand new headlining model, in the book that releases it's new rules etc.

Kdash wrote:
I find it amusing that, once again, GW failed to include the points cost of their brand new headlining model, in the book that releases it's new rules etc.

These books were almost certainly all written at the same time so if they forgot to put the points for one new unit in, expect that trend to continue.

Which also makes the disparity in rules even more perplexing. Seeing as these books were written in such a tight time frame, why couldn't they have done a better job of balancing the factions?

GW service guy: "You forgot the point costs. Again."
GW designer: "The what?"
GW service guy: "The point costs. So you can play the model."
GW designer: "Why would you need points for that?"
GW service guy: "So you can build lists with them?"
GW designer: "I put a number in the top left corner for that."
GW service guy: "That's power level, not points."
GW designer: "Isn't that enough?"
GW service guy: "Most people are building armies using points."
GW designer: "What people?"
GW service guy: "The ones playing the game."
GW designer: "Can't they just agree with the other players?"
GW service guy: "That won't work at tournaments."
GW designer: "No one plays tournaments."
GW service guy: "Lot's of people are."
GW designer: "They are doing it wrong."
GW service guy: "We still need points."
GW designer: "Well, just take the number in the top corner, multiply it by two and roll as many d20"
GW service guy: "That doesn't..."
GW manager: "Great, do that and subtract 10%. Anything else?"
GW designer: "I designed a primaris sergeant during this meeting, want to have a look at it?"

The first short story of the Saga of the beast

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/10/psychic-awakening-call-of-the-waaagh/

Ritual of the Damned FAQ is up.

As is the one for CA19, finally.

Meh, pretty sure that faq doc doesn't cover the vast majority of questions raised for the Thousand Sons.


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And if there were any questions about CA that didn't relate to points, they are still open as well i guess.

Any opinions om Farsigh Enclaves new Aggressive Footing ability tha give +1 markerligt?

Reading that Ork story has me all excited! I know it won't happen but the slim possibility of getting mad boyz back has me giggling like an over-sugared child!

Domandi wrote:
Reading that Ork story has me all excited! I know it won't happen but the slim possibility of getting mad boyz back has me giggling like an over-sugared child!

They could easily be a stratagem, like skarboyz and 'ard boyz. Don't think we're likely to see a big random table of behaviour to roll on, but possibly something like a special morale rule, or even more random attacks seems plausible.

 Dysartes wrote:
Ritual of the Damned FAQ is up.

As is the one for CA19, finally.

Here Thousand Sons, have 9 new relics... but you can only take 1 per army.

Take that nerds!

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Ritual of the Damned FAQ is up.

As is the one for CA19, finally.

Here Thousand Sons, have 9 new relics... but you can only take 1 per army.

Take that nerds!

Honestly, I'd be more than ok with that restriction being expanded to the remaining factions.

I think Orks will get Klan psychic powers and 'kustom jobs' as the unit relic equivalent. Which does make it seem like quite a small book even with a hefty Space wolf primaris update.

Who's left after this and Engine War? Sisters, Custodes, Deathwatch, Deathguard and Necrons? Imperial agents maybe? Still it's an odd mix.

Does seem like Saga probably should cover one of those other factions.

So what do we think the weird thing in the sky is?
Warp reacting to the waaagh psychic energy?? A warp storm enveloping the planet? A powerful psycker putting the planet in reality bubble?
What about the strange entities on shiny ships? some sort of old ones remnant? Weird boyz "ascending?"

I like the idea for a wierdboy "odd skwad" ala warlock conclave. Seeing as its the psychic awakening and all.. lol.

Also really surprised by the amount of thinking a typical nob does.. Very impressive.

So, plastic weird boy(z) incoming?

 Jadenim wrote:
So, plastic weird boy(z) incoming?

I hope so, maybe with a new model they could give revamped rules like a WAAAGH!-Field for a baseline invuln. save for them so they don't just pop immediately. Would also be cool to see Old Zogwort but given that he wasn't mentioned it's a long shot he's brought back in any capacity. At the very least, having another Ork psychic table would be cool, maybe one touching the aspects of Mork and the other of Gork (kind of like when they did the Lore of the BIG Waaagh! and the Lore of the Little Waaagh! for Orcs and Goblins back in old WHFB).

 Argive wrote:
So what do we think the weird thing in the sky is?
Warp reacting to the waaagh psychic energy?? A warp storm enveloping the planet? A powerful psycker putting the planet in reality bubble?
What about the strange entities on shiny ships? some sort of old ones remnant? Weird boyz "ascending?"

I like the idea for a wierdboy "odd skwad" ala warlock conclave. Seeing as its the psychic awakening and all.. lol.

Also really surprised by the amount of thinking a typical nob does.. Very impressive.

I'd also like a "WAAAAGGGHHH!Lock conclave".

As to the entities on scrap ships - they are a vision of the future I believe. The story names them as Orks because they have the same gubbinz and they're described kinda Orky in movement. Weirdboyz exploded and left this weird ethereal vision that showed what happens if you join da big WAAAAAAGGGHHH!!!

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Ritual of the Damned FAQ is up.

As is the one for CA19, finally.

Here Thousand Sons, have 9 new relics... but you can only take 1 per army.

Take that nerds!

What can we do to make Thousand Sons more functional? Nerf stuff, got it!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Argive wrote:
So what do we think the weird thing in the sky is?
Warp reacting to the waaagh psychic energy?? A warp storm enveloping the planet? A powerful psycker putting the planet in reality bubble?
What about the strange entities on shiny ships? some sort of old ones remnant? Weird boyz "ascending?"

I like the idea for a wierdboy "odd skwad" ala warlock conclave. Seeing as its the psychic awakening and all.. lol.

Also really surprised by the amount of thinking a typical nob does.. Very impressive.

I'd also like a "WAAAAGGGHHH!Lock conclave".

As to the entities on scrap ships - they are a vision of the future I believe. The story names them as Orks because they have the same gubbinz and they're described kinda Orky in movement. Weirdboyz exploded and left this weird ethereal vision that showed what happens if you join da big WAAAAAAGGGHHH!!!

Only if they randomly blow up in CC!