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Poor Ghaz. Dat model do. Hopefully he'll be good by the time I finish painting him!

The previews look really promising for Orks. I doubt there'll be anything that justifies taking that Mekboy Workshop rubbish though, unless they changed the datasheet entirely.

Wow, wish that warboss strategem work on defkilla wartrikes. Would make them usable.

Who’s to say there won’t be something for them

Giving a free bonus for taking the mekboy workshop at least gives some hope they have noticed how bad the faction-specific terrain is and are trying to improve it. Probably not enough to justify taking one in a competitive game, but something. Shame they seem reluctant to let you put kustom jobs on a stompa and maybe make it less terrible.

Curious about specialist mobs and subkulturs, although if you need to sacrifice your clan kultur to get one, I can't see anything competing with evil suns and deff skulls. I think I would have preferred something like the tyranid thing where you sacrifice your warlord trait to boost an unit. I never really got much use out of warlord traits (possibly because I usually take a big mek with a SAG as my warlord and keep him at the back). I'm not usually a fan of stuff which boosts specific units and weapons, but in the case of pyromaniacs, I think all the things it improves are pretty underwhelming (especially burna bommas, which are virtually a straight downgrade from the already underwhelming blitza bomma). I hope there is a grot rebels one, although with only one valid HQ choice, it seems unlikely.

Hopefully the next book will give knight some incentive to take a sacristan forgeshrine.

Dysartes wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Trimarius wrote:
Nice, Orks can finally field a warboss with the standard 4++ that you need to compete. Might just be the nail in Ghaz's casket though, as a biker boss with the Klaw and this is quite tasty.

Perhaps you can convert roller skates on Ghaz and use him as a biker biggest boss!

Have him be pulled along by a team of squigs, maybe?

now I think we can all agree that would be waaaayyyyy more dope than santa grimnar.

 buddha wrote:
Wow, wish that warboss strategem work on defkilla wartrikes. Would make them usable.

You can give the wartrike the snazztrike for +1T and a 5++ instead, then give the strategem to Zhadsnark or a bikerboss.

That would make for one heck of a duo.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Giving a free bonus for taking the mekboy workshop at least gives some hope they have noticed how bad the faction-specific terrain is and are trying to improve it. Probably not enough to justify taking one in a competitive game, but something. Shame they seem reluctant to let you put kustom jobs on a stompa and maybe make it less terrible.

Curious about specialist mobs and subkulturs, although if you need to sacrifice your clan kultur to get one, I can't see anything competing with evil suns and deff skulls. I think I would have preferred something like the tyranid thing where you sacrifice your warlord trait to boost an unit. I never really got much use out of warlord traits (possibly because I usually take a big mek with a SAG as my warlord and keep him at the back). I'm not usually a fan of stuff which boosts specific units and weapons, but in the case of pyromaniacs, I think all the things it improves are pretty underwhelming (especially burna bommas, which are virtually a straight downgrade from the already underwhelming blitza bomma). I hope there is a grot rebels one, although with only one valid HQ choice, it seems unlikely.

Hopefully the next book will give knight some incentive to take a sacristan forgeshrine.

It is a very interesting contrast to AoS, where faction terrain is free but often should cost points given how strong it is.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Giving a free bonus for taking the mekboy workshop at least gives some hope they have noticed how bad the faction-specific terrain is and are trying to improve it. Probably not enough to justify taking one in a competitive game, but something. Shame they seem reluctant to let you put kustom jobs on a stompa and maybe make it less terrible.

Curious about specialist mobs and subkulturs, although if you need to sacrifice your clan kultur to get one, I can't see anything competing with evil suns and deff skulls. I think I would have preferred something like the tyranid thing where you sacrifice your warlord trait to boost an unit. I never really got much use out of warlord traits (possibly because I usually take a big mek with a SAG as my warlord and keep him at the back). I'm not usually a fan of stuff which boosts specific units and weapons, but in the case of pyromaniacs, I think all the things it improves are pretty underwhelming (especially burna bommas, which are virtually a straight downgrade from the already underwhelming blitza bomma). I hope there is a grot rebels one, although with only one valid HQ choice, it seems unlikely.

Hopefully the next book will give knight some incentive to take a sacristan forgeshrine.

The way I read it the Kustom Jobs are more like the Adaptive Biology that the Tyranids got, except in this one maybe you don't have to give up your warlord trait. So you would still get your Klan Kulture on top of these. Sounds like if you don't have the mek shop you can probably spend CP to add these instead of one for free. Which honestly sounds very cool to me.

it could be pretty nutso good, especially given that Orks have, as I understand it a pretty easy job at farming CPs.

Vastly underwhelming, but not entirely insulting.

Evergreen post that I just apply to everything thus far in the thread and in future.

$170 for this set? Pass. I'll just wait on Rag to come out. After all, this boxed set only has 1 Space Wolf in it.

It is mind boggling how ridiculous the blood of the Phoenix price was.

The price for 5 howling banshees in Australia is $90aud, which is almost twice the cost of 5 wraithguard here (55$aud).

What the hell are they thinking?

After all, this boxed set only has 1 Space Wolf in it.

True. Exemplifying what I don't like about Primaris. I can make Intercessors or Hellblasters look like SW. But the Tacticool guys..... they still look like tacticool guys.

I fully plan on building a squad of Intercessors with Chainswords if we get the veteran Intercessors strat. But I was really hoping for Primaris WG or even just some form of Primaris assault troop that could get shared out to everyone.

Hellebore wrote:
It is mind boggling how ridiculous the blood of the Phoenix price was.

The price for 5 howling banshees in Australia is $90aud, which is almost twice the cost of 5 wraithguard here (55$aud).

What the hell are they thinking?

Yep our prices here are disgusting and somewhat hilarious.

can we please not derail this thread with complaints about howling banshee costs?

 puma713 wrote:
$170 for this set? Pass. I'll just wait on Rag to come out. After all, this boxed set only has 1 Space Wolf in it.

Not really it only has a single Wulf but plenty of Marines of the Space Wolves Chapter - hoepfully the wheel is turning back.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
$170 for this set? Pass. I'll just wait on Rag to come out. After all, this boxed set only has 1 Space Wolf in it.

Not really it only has a single Wulf but plenty of Marines of the Space Wolves Chapter - hoepfully the wheel is turning back.

I give it less then 5 years before we start to see "special chapter primaris"

Where is this set? Did I miss it in the thread? I would like to see the contents.

edit: nvm

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
$170 for this set? Pass. I'll just wait on Rag to come out. After all, this boxed set only has 1 Space Wolf in it.

Not really it only has a single Wulf but plenty of Marines of the Space Wolves Chapter - hoepfully the wheel is turning back.

I give it less then 5 years before we start to see "special chapter primaris"

Not entirely on topic but kinda related I guess?

Special Chapter Primaris have already happened ladies and gents - we have Death Company Intercessors. Now before players jump on me and claim "but that's only a paintjob AAE!!" - I'm aware. So are GW. They have stated a number of times now that they aren't going to do Chapter-specific Primaris models. Rightly so in my opinion. It's a huge sink in terms of resource and means that GW suddenly need to spend more time designing "Space wolf Primaris" and "Blood Angel Primaris" and "Dark Angel Primaris" ad infinitum. Models that can be used across the entire range (Marines, in this case) are much more appropriate and a better use of time (they appeal to a greater audience for a start).

Anyone expecting SW specific Primaris in this set have not been following GW particularly closely.


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 Da Boss wrote:
Where is this set? Did I miss it in the thread? I would like to see the contents.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/15/sunday-preview-beasts-vs-other-beasts/

Here it is Boss. £105 allegedly.

I'll add to OP.

 puma713 wrote:
$170 for this set? Pass. I'll just wait on Rag to come out. After all, this boxed set only has 1 Space Wolf in it.

So you don't field any primaris in your army? No intercessor, no repulsor, no invictor, no aggressor?

If you field any then your statement makes zero sense

BrianDavion wrote:
can we please not derail this thread with complaints about howling banshee costs?

It's a discussion point about a PA release which came out after PA5 - it is technically on topic for the thread, if not the general discussion points being covered at the moment.

tneva82 wrote:
If you field any then your statement makes zero sense

It makes perfect sense. It has a single Space Wolf in it. The other models are just Marines and there's nothing specifically wolf-y about them.

Hellebore wrote:
It is mind boggling how ridiculous the blood of the Phoenix price was.

The price for 5 howling banshees in Australia is $90aud, which is almost twice the cost of 5 wraithguard here (55$aud).

What the hell are they thinking?

When was wraithguard released? Remember new SKU price>old SKU price. In year or two it will be more like 120$.


Just accept it or stop GW alltogether

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
If you field any then your statement makes zero sense

It makes perfect sense. It has a single Space Wolf in it. The other models are just Marines and there's nothing specifically wolf-y about them.

Excluding special characters it's very unlikely GW do more "specifically wolf-y" units for Marines again. GW have said this and it makes sense from a business perspective.

I agree. At the very least, they could've thrown in the Primaris Space Wolves upgrade sprue as a token gesture so people can wolf-up those Incursors.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
If you field any then your statement makes zero sense

It makes perfect sense. It has a single Space Wolf in it. The other models are just Marines and there's nothing specifically wolf-y about them.

Excluding special characters it's very unlikely GW do more "specifically wolf-y" units for Marines again. GW have said this and it makes sense from a business perspective.

In the Imperial Fist box, they included the upgrade sprues. They also did it for Space Wolves before with Tooth & Claw so people could build specifically Space Wolf-themed Aggressors and Intercessors.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
$170 for this set? Pass. I'll just wait on Rag to come out. After all, this boxed set only has 1 Space Wolf in it.

Not really it only has a single Wulf but plenty of Marines of the Space Wolves Chapter - hoepfully the wheel is turning back.

I give it less then 5 years before we start to see "special chapter primaris"

Not entirely on topic but kinda related I guess?

Special Chapter Primaris have already happened ladies and gents - we have Death Company Intercessors. Now before players jump on me and claim "but that's only a paintjob AAE!!" - I'm aware. So are GW. They have stated a number of times now that they aren't going to do Chapter-specific Primaris models. Rightly so in my opinion. It's a huge sink in terms of resource and means that GW suddenly need to spend more time designing "Space wolf Primaris" and "Blood Angel Primaris" and "Dark Angel Primaris" ad infinitum. Models that can be used across the entire range (Marines, in this case) are much more appropriate and a better use of time (they appeal to a greater audience for a start).

Anyone expecting SW specific Primaris in this set have not been following GW particularly closely.

yeah basicly I'm predicting it'll be 5 years maybe less and they'll have revised that. in fact they've already done it, and not just death company intercessors but victrix guard. I suspect we won't see a return to the days of "a tactical marine kit for each marine faction" but yeah I'd not be at all suprised to see things like primaris sanguinary guard etc

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
If you field any then your statement makes zero sense

It makes perfect sense. It has a single Space Wolf in it. The other models are just Marines and there's nothing specifically wolf-y about them.

Ok. I trust you are not hypocrite then and don't play any primaris in space wolf army or recommend other wolves are?

Because the instant you do is the instant you actually admit they are wolf units. So you must play with zero primaris infantry, no repulsors, no invictors etc. Just the old marines. Otherwise you are hypcorite

Oh I wouldn't expect a SW only Primaris kit at this point. But WG Primaris would be pretty easy to do. There are enough LT kits to give them some options. Produce one with a Storm Shield (optional) and make them #3-5 and away you go. Better yet let them take Combat shields or something for a 5++.. Basically irrelevant but lets them have more variety in how they look.

Not really it only has a single Wulf but plenty of Marines of the Space Wolves Chapter - hoepfully the wheel is turning back.

Except the particular kit chosen doesn't fit the SW. Why many think they were chosen because the Infiltrator/Incursor kit didn't sell very well. There was a flood of cheap infiltrators on the market from Shadowspear. Most people are happy purchasing the single builds and using them as either.




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Ok. I trust you are not hypocrite then and don't play any primaris in space wolf army or recommend other wolves are?

Because the instant you do is the instant you actually admit they are wolf units. So you must play with zero primaris infantry, no repulsors, no invictors etc. Just the old marines. Otherwise you are hypcorite

Or we don't think the Tacticool look is a very SW.


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I have plenty of Intercessors and Hellblasters. They don't have tacticool crap all over them. Easy to add a bit of SW look to them here and there. The Tacticool guys, not so much. I have a squad. I have never used them.

I'll be buying the pack, but yeah I admit the infiltrators don;t exactly feel very space wolfish, but I'll put the infiltrators in my storm crows primaris chapter.