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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 harlokin wrote:
They could have included an element of what they intended by just having the HQs 'unlock' unit options; so a Battalion with an Archon, a Haemonculus, and a Succubus could have any units from Kabal, Coven or Cult.

That's a lot more elegant.

Never mind, I'm sure it will all be fine when they finally release the Drukhari rules for PA

The worst part about the DE codex is that you have to buy gak loads of characters to get battalions, but your raiders only hold 10 guys and you can only take 1 special weapon on anything less than 10 guys.

Thanks, I have absolutely nowhere to put these extra 5 archons and 20 succubi I was forced to take. I guess they'll march up the board.

GW doesn't think anything through, and it really really shows with 8th edition.

Edit: I am aware the transport size of raiders is not specifically an 8th edition problem. But they sure as hell could have fixed it.

It took my utterly casual playing group one instance of someone spamming cheap CP battalions to implement the datachment limit.

Bad attempts at balance > no balance.

Back on topic please peeps.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
The worst part about the DE codex is that you have to buy gak loads of characters to get battalions, but your raiders only hold 10 guys and you can only take 1 special weapon on anything less than 10 guys.

Thanks, I have absolutely nowhere to put these extra 5 archons and 20 succubi I was forced to take. I guess they'll march up the board.

GW doesn't think anything through, and it really really shows with 8th edition.

Edit: I am aware the transport size of raiders is not specifically an 8th edition problem. But they sure as hell could have fixed it.

The transport rules don't matter since Archons won't give any auras or anything. I also like that Kabalites get better weapon saturation with 10 man squads as that's incentive to not run MSU.

However you got the issue with Venoms vs Raiders. Venoms even got a price cut. I swear to God it's like they just throw darts randomly.

Do we have any info on when Engine War is coming? It feels like ages since I first heard about it.

pm713 wrote:
Do we have any info on when Engine War is coming? It feels like ages since I first heard about it.

It definitely feels like gw are really stretching the release of all the pa's out. Obviously frustrating for players of factions yet to be covered.

As to the latest release, great to see some rules aimed at improving the Stompa, and good ones at that. Certainly won't make it a meta changer, but at least it shows that the pa writers can show it some love after the snubbing it got from the ca2019 team.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Do we have any info on when Engine War is coming? It feels like ages since I first heard about it.

It definitely feels like gw are really stretching the release of all the pa's out. Obviously frustrating for players of factions yet to be covered.

As to the latest release, great to see some rules aimed at improving the Stompa, and good ones at that. Certainly won't make it a meta changer, but at least it shows that the pa writers can show it some love after the snubbing it got from the ca2019 team.

Well, didn't they say one book a month? I feel like I read that somewhere.

January - Ritual of the Damned
February - Greater Good
March - Saga of the Beast
April - Engine War
May - (?) War of the Spider
June -
July -

I wouldn't expect Engine War before mid April, really (Saga of the Beast isn't even out until next week). Pre-order April 18th, release April 25th perhaps. Maybe a week earlier if they do a very short turn-around.


A book a month certainly doesn't feel "drawn out". It's hard enough to keep up as it is


Edit

So yeah, once a month was what they said for books 4 to 6 on their Open Day.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/30/reveals-from-the-warhammer-40000-open-daygw-homepage-post-1/

But there’s more – we can treat you to the release timeline and titles of the next three books in the series after Blood of Baal – coming in January, February, and March respectively!

Without other information, I'd expect it to roughly continue at that pace.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Do we have any info on when Engine War is coming? It feels like ages since I first heard about it.

It definitely feels like gw are really stretching the release of all the pa's out. Obviously frustrating for players of factions yet to be covered.

As to the latest release, great to see some rules aimed at improving the Stompa, and good ones at that. Certainly won't make it a meta changer, but at least it shows that the pa writers can show it some love after the snubbing it got from the ca2019 team.

I find it an odd schedule. When my factions were coming it felt incredibly dragged out and hard to maintain interest and with other factions it just blurs together in a drawn out tedium.

So how'd you guys release these?

2 a month?
3 a month?
quicker?

And then what? What if they had done, say, 3 books each, September, October, November and it had all been over 4 months ago? No content at all? Another wave of campaign books?

Well, we get that first online preview next Saturday, so I wouldn't be surprised if they officially confirmed books 7-9, possibly with the participants of 8 & 9 (Engine War is 7, right?)

Sunny Side Up wrote:
So how'd you guys release these?

2 a month?
3 a month?
quicker?

And then what? What if they had done, say, 3 books each, September, October, November and it had all been over 4 months ago? No content at all? Another wave of campaign books?

Simple, you don't. Cash grab splat-books are bad game design and always have been.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
So how'd you guys release these?

2 a month?
3 a month?
quicker?

And then what? What if they had done, say, 3 books each, September, October, November and it had all been over 4 months ago? No content at all? Another wave of campaign books?

Truthfully, I'd prefer no content at all to these. Especially PA, but I'm finding I prefer a 5-10 year cycle to the constant update and churn cycle... chapter approved, supplements, all of it. Give me complete and finished army rules where I don't have to worry about the rug getting yanked out from under me before I'm even half-way done. This current crap feels like Charlie Brown and a football.

But... the reality is they had low miniatures output while they refitted their factory, so they needed to sell something. Unfortunately, we've gotten a year plus of junk books and boxed sets with a grand total of 2 new figures instead of anything worthwhile.

Depending on the impact of the current pandemic, GW may have to stagger the release schedule a little if they feel that later product will be delayed. I for one would be grateful as we have flown through 8th edition with codexes and supplements and i am not eager to start that process over again with a new edition.

Much prefered they had not pretended there was a campaign and just released actual Faction update Books - new art, new stories, new rules

So:
Book 1 Marines (All of them)
Book 2 The Ancients: Eldar (All of them) and Necrons
Book 3 Chaos (all of it)
Book 4 Imperials (the non Marines - Guard, Sisters (both of them), Custodes)
Book 5 Beasts: Orks, Tryanids and GSC
Book 6 The Machine - Ad Mech and Knights

I could see GW holding off on any truely big releases while the pandemic was active, if for example they where originally planning ohh.. a 9th edition boxed set for the summer I could see GW instead delaying it until the winter

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 harlokin wrote:
They could have included an element of what they intended by just having the HQs 'unlock' unit options; so a Battalion with an Archon, a Haemonculus, and a Succubus could have any units from Kabal, Coven or Cult.

That's a lot more elegant.

"Unlocking" was all the rage in 5th Edition and I think they have tried to get away from it ever since, for some reason. I thought it was great and an easy way to make a powerful but still thematic army.

 puma713 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 harlokin wrote:
They could have included an element of what they intended by just having the HQs 'unlock' unit options; so a Battalion with an Archon, a Haemonculus, and a Succubus could have any units from Kabal, Coven or Cult.

That's a lot more elegant.

"Unlocking" was all the rage in 5th Edition and I think they have tried to get away from it ever since, for some reason. I thought it was great and an easy way to make a powerful but still thematic army.

it was an issue in that it was all tied to special characters.

If you wanted a space wolves army with terminators as troops, for example, you NEEDED to take Logan etc.

the way it's done now though is differant detachment types. so the idea is you're giving up command points to just take elites instead.

is it as good? debatable.

IMHO if we returned to a 5th edition style FOC with unlocks, they could very easily simply have command points unlock a unit type as troops.

even if we accept stratigiums are a bit out of control, I do like the idea of a small pool of points that can be used to apply some special customization to your army.

Sunny Side Up wrote:


A book a month certainly doesn't feel "drawn out". It's hard enough to keep up as it is

Yes, does anyone remember codex release times in 5th Edition? Sometimes your army wouldn't get updated for over a year. Sometimes longer.

Edit: Sometimes much, much longer.

 puma713 wrote:
"Unlocking" was all the rage in 5th Edition and I think they have tried to get away from it ever since, for some reason.

If choices are "locked", that means you might never unlock them, and therefore never buy the miniature. It's why we don't see many 0-1 things anymore outside of unique characters. Someone high up spotted a limitation on purchasing more miniatures, and that got nixed pretty damned quick.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
"Unlocking" was all the rage in 5th Edition and I think they have tried to get away from it ever since, for some reason.

If choices are "locked", that means you might never unlock them, and therefore never buy the miniature. It's why we don't see many 0-1 things anymore outside of unique characters. Someone high up spotted a limitation on purchasing more miniatures, and that got nixed pretty damned quick.

A lot of the things that were "unlocked" were just different roles for things that already existed though. There weren't a whole lot of cases of not being able to use a model at all unless you unlocked it. It was mostly just letting elites/fast become troops.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
It's all a bit random on what they decide to add to a given faction in PA and probably mostly done with random writers either having some "cool ideas" for Tau or Orks or whatever, or nobody really giving a crap and thus a faction just getting the minimal-effort treatment (e.g. Drukhari, GSC, Ynnari) before going to print.

There's much in SofB to suggest that whoever was responsible for the Ork rules didn't really understand what they were doing. See - Ghazghkull Thraka, Makari or KFF Mek for reference.

On "Engine War" - I'd expect it to take longer to release what with all the new model kits that are due to come with it. 3 Flyers, 2 riders, 2 jump pack infantry units if I'm not mistaken? That's a massive release without the book.

The Skitarii stuff was intended for a Skitarii book in 8th, that wasn't going to have Cult Mechanicus units in it.

It's 1 Flyer, 1 Rider and 1 Jump unit. They're all dual kits (or triple kits, in the case of the flyer).

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Skitarii stuff was intended for a Skitarii book in 8th, that wasn't going to have Cult Mechanicus units in it.

That's the opposite of what we've been told.

Time to let go of the idea that Ad Mech and Skitarii are two different things Kan.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Skitarii stuff was intended for a Skitarii book in 8th, that wasn't going to have Cult Mechanicus units in it.

I had heard was that the Skitrrrri/cult mech books being seperate at all where always a deliberate case of "models and rules at the same time" and thus the plan was always to merge them into one army with 8th edition.

I suppose though they could do a skitarii army rules ala tempestus scions. in engine war.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Skitarii stuff was intended for a Skitarii book in 8th, that wasn't going to have Cult Mechanicus units in it.

I had heard was that the Skitrrrri/cult mech books being seperate at all where always a deliberate case of "models and rules at the same time" and thus the plan was always to merge them into one army with 8th edition.

I suppose though they could do a skitarii army rules ala tempestus scions. in engine war.

I sure as hell dont want that. Unless they give some love to Legio cybernetica, Ordo Reductor, etc... or better yet, give the Mechanicum robots from FW 40k rules.

AM being the catchall for Mechanicus is a much easier route as opposed to scattering the units across multiple "fauxdexs".

I sure hope they dont jack the power on the new units and leave the existing units in the dust. Electropriests & secutarii being able to use the new bird will probably determine if I get one.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
So how'd you guys release these?

2 a month?
3 a month?
quicker?

And then what? What if they had done, say, 3 books each, September, October, November and it had all been over 4 months ago? No content at all? Another wave of campaign books?

Simple, you don't. Cash grab splat-books are bad game design and always have been.

I disagree; when done well such books can really add to the game. The recent Wrath of the Everchosen book is awesome, for example.

To be fair, I don't think Wrath of the Everchosen was hyped up to be a big universe-shattering event where long-standing mysteries and secrets would be revealed!

The only thing that PA has revealed is that GW is very bad at giving non-Marine factions anything that's really worthwhile. Poor, poor GSC players...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
To be fair, I don't think Wrath of the Everchosen was hyped up to be a big universe-shattering event where long-standing mysteries and secrets would be revealed!

And have something for everyone!!!!

Wrath was mentioned a couple times, and that's about it. I'd actually forgotten it had already been released.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
To be fair, I don't think Wrath of the Everchosen was hyped up to be a big universe-shattering event where long-standing mysteries and secrets would be revealed!

The only thing that PA has revealed is that GW is very bad at giving non-Marine factions anything that's really worthwhile. Poor, poor GSC players...

The key here being the supplement needs to be done well. What I am saying is the problem lies not in the concept but the execution.

And yeah, they are. :(