Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Has there been any discussion of how many boxes worth of stuff is needed for a "standard" game size? I'm assuming that the intent isn't that you buy one box and you're basically done unless you want to run the extra special reinforcements or super heavy?

not sure of any kind of fake goals would help
I mean there is already some negativity out there why such a big company like Mantic goes to KS at all instead of doing a regular pre-order and there having fake goals just for the sake of having goals would make it worse

yet they could have used the add-ons as daily reveal to get people back increasing their pledge
but this would also not help to get more people in



Automatically Appended Next Post:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Has there been any discussion of how many boxes worth of stuff is needed for a "standard" game size? I'm assuming that the intent isn't that you buy one box and you're basically done unless you want to run the extra special reinforcements or super heavy?

from the KS comments from the staff it is exactly that

a plastic core army makes a 2k army with the playtested size being 2k-2,5k, the reinforcements add another 500 points but aiming to add some variation rather than just increasing the points and super heavy points are not fixed yet
also the plastic tanks come with options for turrets and can be either APCs or battle tanks which I guess will affect the point cost

army box+reinforcement+super heavy and you are done (like with any other mantic game), except you want more from certain things that are in the other boxes of course (like we don't know yet if 2 super heavies are a thing)

wow thats... reasonable?

And with all core units sharing the same (maybe 2?) sprues it means building a skew list will require several copies of the one box.

Of course that one box with one of every unit in it costs as much as 6 tanks from GW, so that should take the edge off

from the KS comments there will be a single sprue per faction

so going into the same problem as GW that if you want more of the 1 unit in the core box, you need to buy that box again
but than those are not exclusive to the 2 player starter set and the price is low enough to buy 2 anyway

The one box = 2000 points is a genius move.

I just hope they change their mind about different colored plastics for each faction.

Are they going with different colored plastics?

I mean, honestly, does anyone really play with unpainted models anyway???

 pancakeonions wrote:
Are they going with different colored plastics?

I mean, honestly, does anyone really play with unpainted models anyway???

Just grey plastic

Mantic GamesCreator
1 day ago
We've no plans to use coloured plastics (just trusty old grey) however if you wanted something quick you can always just take a spray can to them to quickly colour them.

The one sprue per army approach is similar to the original approach taken by GW for epic and works brilliantly, minimal investment needed to get the bulk of an army made in hard plastic and then specialists can round it out in resin, metal (or the more modern option of STL) from there.

One of the really unique things with this is the offering of "pick resin or STL" for identical pricing, I'm actually struggling to choose between the two, especially as someone already perma-subscribed to the mantic vault.

Might just get a couple of physical reinforcement packs + superheavies for the armies I want to play the most and take it from there. (so far asterian and enforcer superheavies are looking great)

The terrain is really nice, could be used to make travel deadzone with some magnetic paint.

One thing that is easy to miss and is really great for deadzone/ firefight players too is the custom faction d8s, tempted to get all the variants.

Has Mantic given any indication why they haven't done Corporation as one of the armies or stretch goals?

One of the best reasons to play small scale games is to field massive grunt armies.

I wonder if Marauders and Corporation are part of some future post-KS release plan?

If I'm remembering correctly, there are 3 more factions as well as Veer-Myn on the drawing board and they will be subject to backer poll for which order they will be unlocked/produced. It's fair to assume two of these will be GCPS and Marauders, right?! I hope so anyways!

It is said that there are 8 armies playtestest and most likely all 8 are in the book

Matt stated that doing Plague VS Enforcers was done because those 2 are kind of poster boys for the setting and were also the forces from the first Deadzone Edition (as kind of easter egg)
And instead of having another human force they wanted as many Aliens as possible first for more variation, hence the initial 4 armies are all from different realms

So depending if we see Veer-Myn unlocked or not, the remaining 3 factions will be added as Stretchgoals as well

scarletsquig wrote:

One of the really unique things with this is the offering of "pick resin or STL" for identical pricing, I'm actually struggling to choose between the two, especially as someone already perma-subscribed to the mantic vault.

Might just get a couple of physical reinforcement packs + superheavies for the armies I want to play the most and take it from there. (so far asterian and enforcer superheavies are looking great)

For me the decision was taken away as I got a call from a friend of a nearby club who saw my name in the comments saying that they are already 4 people backing and that each of us should take a different STL add-on so we can print all of them

They seem to be planning for £400k based on similar tracking to DS Origins per the comments so that should see 8 armies unlocked it appears that each army costs around £50k to produce based on 5 armies at £250k.

 Eilif wrote:
I wonder if Marauders and Corporation are part of some future post-KS release plan?

Excellent question. I'd also hope for Corporation to be on the menu before they finish the KS.

 kodos wrote:

For me the decision was taken away as I got a call from a friend of a nearby club who saw my name in the comments saying that they are already 4 people backing and that each of us should take a different STL add-on so we can print all of them

Lucky I wish I knew 3 others who were up for it.

Danny, please tell me Element Games/North West Gaming Centre is your FLGS!

Today's KS update has a pretty cool written battle report. As an old skool player with a short attention span (videos typically put me to sleep...), I really appreciated this

https://www.manticgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Epic-Warpath-Battle-Report.pdf

 Tabletop_Magpie wrote:
Danny, please tell me Element Games/North West Gaming Centre is your FLGS!

Afraid not!
Too far away for me

in the comments to the battle report, Matt clarified the Army Organisation

A company is 0-1 command, 2-4 troops, 0-4 specialist and 0-4 support. Some things unlock others, so you can't have all four support until you had all eight troops and specialists.

so 2 not fully filled companies being 2k points with the option to play more command+troops or more support by taking more or less companies

I don't really get the point of doing a daily reveal of existing products run through a filter and suggesting its something new when it isn't..

Its like when they original forge fathers and space orks were put on pre-order using sketches, and I ask if they were reusing there fantasy sculpts, and they said no...

Like why do they need to keep pulling daft stuff like this.

The game looks decent and most of the models are good. Looking like I will pick up a couple of armies plus the rules when it hits retail.

 DaveC wrote:
They seem to be planning for £400k based on similar tracking to DS Origins per the comments so that should see 8 armies unlocked it appears that each army costs around £50k to produce based on 5 armies at £250k.

Yeah, realistically that first £200k is the tooling for the first 4 armies.

£250k makes sense to add a fifth, and we'll see what happens from there.

It might simply be left at £400k for GCPS so they don't overstretch themselves, but there's probably a lot more to be made by £50k per faction stretch goals since each one that's added is the potential for backers to add another £35-100 to their total. Kitchen sink approach works, and adding another pledge level at £275 for all 8 factions would probably get a lot of upwards pledge conversion.

The slow middle is a tricky one though and there's every possibility that we don't get to £250k until the campaign is almost over, which then makes the extra add-on a rush, kickstarters are heavily condensed towards the start and end nowadays, I make campaigns myself and you need ideally a "rabbit out of the hat" add-on or new pledge moment in the middle to smooth it over if the campaign is longer than a week, or you start losing too many backers in the dead zone.

Really hoping the rats get made.

Excited to hear that Marauders might get done. I'd love to see a proper army of them.

Not enthused by the designs for the mega-units so far though - I think the plague super heavy would be better as a Resident Evil style mega-monster rather than a sort of scabby squiggoth.

Yeah, this is a very.. low excitement Kickstarter project. There are no stretch goals so you show up, put down your pledge for one or two armies and you come back in 2 weeks. There is no point in pledging for anything now that you could add in the pledge manager later because there are no funding goals that benefit the backer (unless you really, really want rats).

So right now, I've no doubt we will hit 250K at some point, but probably no more than about 320K by the time we cross the finish line. So unless the new factions are every 50K or so, what you see now on the KS front page is all there is. See you all in two weeks, I guess lol

 Siygess wrote:
(trimmed)
so, what you see now on the KS front page is all there is. See you all in two weeks, I guess lol

Isn't it what we're after? We provide the funding to ensure the toys we want can get produced?
Personally, I prefer my KS like this. I dislike the old KS type trying to scrounge an extra chunk every few days so I can remain 'all in'.

Nice to see that the game KS is getting some coverage outside of the traditional sites

https://www.polygon.com/tabletop-games/24072163/warpath-mantic-epic-40k-kickstarter

Speaking of outside sites, I'm slightly surprised that no one has set up a page for Epic Warpath on BGG yet.

BGG does not want games that are just announced yet and as EWP is still in development, I am not sure if it would be declined or not

yet as FireFight is also not updated, I guess no one with an account is actively playing those game

We're having a large 40k event this weekend so i was able to talk to a lot of locals, there is a healthy level of interest for Warpath, even from people who bought into LI, but they say after LI they can't stomach the thought of painting another Epic scale infantryman in their lives