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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Pretty sure it was also before we knew James Hewitt would head AC.

Yep I’m fairly sure it was.

I’m glad Mantic are doing it all in hard plastic (sadly not different colors for each army) and I know it’ll be good when it finally arrives but I wonder if there’s anyone who will play it in my area. When I was beta testing the rules there were a couple of us interested but that was a year or so ago now.

Hearing about some of this about Epic Warpath, many years ago when Warpath and Kings of War were first making it big, wasn't the old adage we fans coined for Mantic something along the lines of:


"Mantic...Almost"

Ive largely avoided mantic til now because the "almost" aspect is painfully obvious. Only grabbed epic because im a sucker for the scale and the ks offered a lot for very little.

Also im prstty sure its a game that probably wont see significant expansion, so two plastic kits for each of my 4-5 chosen factions and the stl bundle and im probably set for a very long time, which means it wont chew up my wallet while I chase LI and AC releases.

Kings of War is big in some parts of the world and Halo is doing well. I'd love to see more people playing Firefight or Warpath, as generally people seem to favor sci-fi over rank and flank.

I'm enjoying painting Kings of War Champions sets.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Hearing about some of this about Epic Warpath, many years ago when Warpath and Kings of War were first making it big, wasn't the old adage we fans coined for Mantic something along the lines of:


"Mantic...Almost"

Yes, now I think the "second half of May" should be "Be" as in May-Be.....as in it May "Be" done eventually. Still not HassleFree, where you get Free Hassle with every order.

 Theophony wrote:
Yes, now I think the "second half of May" should be "Be" as in May-Be.....as in it May "Be" done eventually. Still not HassleFree, where you get Free Hassle with every order.

From the update last week: Due to a last-minute supply chain disruption, and linked to the huge size of this project, we have to postpone the fulfilment of pledges from June until late Summer. After recently learning of the delay, we needed to make sure we had proper clarity on the situation with our supply chain before updating you, so our honest apologies for not being able to let you know faster.

This is quite an old but interesting article. I hadn't realised Alessio Cavatore was involved. If that's the case, I absolutely do not think the game will be bloated. Alessio is known for writing very concise and streamlined rules (consider the 40k version he lead on that was much cleaner, much less special rule bloat, than those that followed).

https://www.wargamer.com/warpath/epic-40k

There was never any danger of it being bloated, I've never seen a bloated Mantic game! Unit balance, on the other hand... is more an afterthought anywhere outside KoW.

That was more in response to someone posting that they had a 4 hour game Lord Blackfang, which would absolutely be a sign of a bloated ruleset. That really worried me as I was hoping this game would be everything Legions Imperialis isn't, with that game being a bicep workout lifting heavy rulebooks over the course of several hours.

But everything I have read elsewhere, including the news that Alessio is involved, makes me think that may have been an outlier. Fingers crossed, we will hopefully find out for ourselves soon.

Kings of War being the outliner for unit balance is mainly because it is the game with most events played and therefore enough public data available to adjust problems more quickly

Deadzone and Firefight are getting a balance update in the coming months, it happens it is just slower

Some Teasers for the upcoming Balance Update in Deadzone

Pacific 786779 wrote:I hadn't realised Alessio Cavatore was involved.

AFAIK Mantic bought his River Horse Games company last year and he joined Mantic as a result.

https://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/mantic-games-acquires-river-horse-in-strategic-partnership/


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 kodos wrote:
Deadzone and Firefight are getting a balance update in the coming months, it happens it is just slower

I'm glad to hear Deadzone is getting something. When it appears on MyMiniFactory, I was worried it was the end for the game.

 mattl wrote:
AFAIK Mantic bought his River Horse Games company last year and he joined Mantic as a result.

And they were always tight to begin with, he built KoW too and headed it for the first two editions.

 mattl wrote:
I'm glad to hear Deadzone is getting something. When it appears on MyMiniFactory, I was worried it was the end for the game.

MMF was more about making the PVC models available as those were not seeing another print run but not getting plastic models anytime soon either

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 mattl wrote:
AFAIK Mantic bought his River Horse Games company last year and he joined Mantic as a result.

And they were always tight to begin with, he built KoW too and headed it for the first two editions.

Technically 3, the "alpha" (original 12 page pamphlet), "beta", and what Mantic called 1st Edition.

He also did the rules for original Warpath back when it was more like Space KoW.

I was in Warlord Games in Nottingham about a month ago and Alessio walked past me and into a back room, so I am guessing he still has something to do with them! Although I know a lot of the Nottingham wargames community is quite interlinked anyway.

Alessio was on the Mantic stand at UKGE a couple of weeks ago demoing the licensed board games like Labyrinth.

 mattl wrote:
He also did the rules for original Warpath back when it was more like Space KoW.

This one:

 .Mikes. wrote:

 mattl wrote:
He also did the rules for original Warpath back when it was more like Space KoW.

This one:

Spoiler:

I've got that!

Even played a few games with it years back and a member made super heavy rules for it.
https://www.chicagoskirmishwargames.com/blog/2014/12/its-my-birthday-and-ill-play-warpath-if/

We enjoyed it and it was our go-to for Apocalypse size 40k games until we settled on Grimdark Future.

Yeah I bought the first copy ever from Mantic of that one and several others. I really liked the forge fathers, assembled them at the time and lost them in a move I think. However I found a big box of the orx/mauraders and have a huge army of those assembled now alongside a huge army of the PVC models made for Deadzone.