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Theres always room for improvement for sure but working remotely is a pain... Been doing so for a week and its hard to adjust.
So good show overall, not an easy task to pull off smoothly under these circumstances.

For curiosity sake isn't the fella from LOTR the same that worked for Prodos at Salute? I think I remember him..

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
so because they say fabius was the last of the classic csm chars, did they forget Lucius or is he a later addition?

Lucius is much later. The 2nd ed Chaos codex had Abaddon, Kharn, Ahriman, Fabius Bile, and Huron Blackheart. The 3rd edition one added Doomrider, and the 4th ed one finally gave us Lucius and Typhus.

3.5 gave us Lucius and Typhus. Huron Blackheart was reinstated in the 4th ed abomination of a codex.

Ach, I forgot there was that second 3rd edition book. One day, though... DOOMRIDER is going to return. I.e. the worst conceived character the game had had at that point.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Ach, I forgot there was that second 3rd edition book. One day, though... DOOMRIDER is going to return. I.e. the worst conceived character the game had had at that point.

Korsorro Khan killed him in a black library story and walked off with his head. But he's a daemon, so he'll be back. Right?

tneva82 wrote:
This was hyped before same as every GW preview before and been of same.

No, no it wasn't.

Compare and contrast the WHC articles prior to the LVO preview and the one talking up the Adepticon preview (I posted the links earlier in the thread).

I don't think anyone can claim they are being presented with the same level of hype and keep a straight face.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
so because they say fabius was the last of the classic csm chars, did they forget Lucius or is he a later addition?

Lucius is much later. The 2nd ed Chaos codex had Abaddon, Kharn, Ahriman, Fabius Bile, and Huron Blackheart. The 3rd edition one added Doomrider, and the 4th ed one finally gave us Lucius and Typhus.

Also Cypher, though I don't think he got a model until 3rd ed.

Doombreed and Foulspawn too wasn't it (N'kari and M'kachen? Though they never got models and disappeared in later books.
I wonder if they'll turn up later in the Heresy books, as I think apart from M'kachen they seem to have been adopted into the novel series.

BrianDavion wrote:
so because they say fabius was the last of the classic csm chars, did they forget Lucius or is he a later addition?

man war of the spider has a lot of exciting stuff,

First four were Abaddon, Kharn, Fabius and Ahriman. Personally I think Kharn and Ahriman may each be due another resculpt considering how good Bile and Abaddon are.

JWBS wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
so because they say fabius was the last of the classic csm chars, did they forget Lucius or is he a later addition?

man war of the spider has a lot of exciting stuff,

First four were Abaddon, Kharn, Fabius and Ahriman. Personally I think Kharn and Ahriman may each be due another resculpt considering how good Bile and Abaddon are.

Ahriman is awesome too.

 ImAGeek wrote:

JWBS wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
so because they say fabius was the last of the classic csm chars, did they forget Lucius or is he a later addition?

man war of the spider has a lot of exciting stuff,

First four were Abaddon, Kharn, Fabius and Ahriman. Personally I think Kharn and Ahriman may each be due another resculpt considering how good Bile and Abaddon are.

Ahriman is awesome too.

Kharn is probably the weakest imo.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I wonder what the Hammer Elves would look like with standard High Elf pointy hats. Remove the weird bulls completely ('cause the lower parts of the helmet look great) and have it taper to a point, old skool style.

In the studio scheme, a bit too much like clansmen.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Ahem.

I posted this further up the page.

Oh, right, yes.

Ok. Yeah. Those look amazing.

 Chamberlain wrote:
In the studio scheme, a bit too much like clansmen.

Oh please...

Think about it from the perspective of someone not immersed in warhammer. Flowing white robs with pointy hats. What jumps into your mind?

lol, I can imagine the design meeting:

Concept artist: So being from the realm of light, they'll all wear white. And have the iconic pointed hats of the elves.
Co-worker: How about we have the realm of light motif also be the big head dress like the Cypher lords
Concept artist: Why?
Co-worker: No reason...

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


Sadly if you did get new Storm Guardians they'd probably be £35 and 5 to a box

That Banshee kit sure was a disappointment in that respect. I dunno, maybe GW was having a bad week or something.

 Chamberlain wrote:
Think about it from the perspective of someone not immersed in warhammer. Flowing white robs with pointy hats. What jumps into your mind?

Catholicism.

SamusDrake wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


Sadly if you did get new Storm Guardians they'd probably be £35 and 5 to a box

That Banshee kit sure was a disappointment in that respect. I dunno, maybe GW was having a bad week or something.

I think that’s how they price things now.
Before there was a pattern, now it’s depending on the sales guys mood.

Wyches were bad at the time for £35 for 10.
Banshees just kicked that up a bit.

 Chamberlain wrote:
Think about it from the perspective of someone not immersed in warhammer. Flowing white robs with pointy hats. What jumps into your mind?

lol, I can imagine the design meeting:

Concept artist: So being from the realm of light, they'll all wear white. And have the iconic pointed hats of the elves.
Co-worker: How about we have the realm of light motif also be the big head dress like the Cypher lords
Concept artist: Why?
Co-worker: No reason...

You have read the lore for the Cypher Lords that says they're from Hysh just like the Lumineth?

Also I seem to recall that High Elves have worn white robes for like the last thirty years or so (and not the off-white that the Lumineth wear).

Red Corsair wrote:

 Chamberlain wrote:
Think about it from the perspective of someone not immersed in warhammer. Flowing white robs with pointy hats. What jumps into your mind?

Catholicism.

All those catholics with their faces obscured?

Ghaz wrote:You have read the lore for the Cypher Lords that says they're from Hysh just like the Lumineth?

Yes. Which makes it the natural direction to go in if you don't want guys with hidden faces, white robes and pointy hats.

I’m sorry, but considering the AoS realm and 40k universe, that’s pretty minor.
When genocide and slavery are common parts of stories I think it’s past the point of what would little timmy think.

I guess there’s a link to anything if you look hard enough though and spin a few images.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Spoiler:

Just seen this edit of the Elf unit on Reddit. Vast improvement IMO.

I say lads, how about a nice game of Croquet

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Soundtheory wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Nobody forced GW to have the preview event on the same day as the original would have been. If it was so terribly hard, maybe they should have postponed it and done it better.

Whiners gotta whine, right? With all that's going on in the world, this is what you come to a public forum to bellyache about.

I'm surprised you can reach down to type from all the way up on your high horse there. I'm sorry us poor plebs aren't in accord with your rarified sensibilities, you sanctimonious windbag.

Sanctimonious, eh? Hardly, you're the one crying about not getting to see more toys -- the preview of said toys [bold] disrupted [/bold] by worldwide pandemic. LOL.

The hammer doods would look much better if their helmets were closer to the regular infantry and cypher lords (but with a bull motif) and less old high elves with another bull helmet plopped on top

They showed us some new stuff, had a bit of a laugh - handy to distract people from the real world issues - which lets face it are quite serious for everyone at the moment.

Jackal90 wrote:
I’m sorry, but considering the AoS realm and 40k universe, that’s pretty minor.
When genocide and slavery are common parts of stories I think it’s past the point of what would little timmy think.

I guess there’s a link to anything if you look hard enough though and spin a few images.

There’s a big difference from “This mini portrays a genocidal monster: her personally electro-vaporized a trillion blarns!” and “This miniature reminds me of the guy who lynched my great uncle.”

So I’m gonna TLDR this thread -

Some people thought the previews were awesome.
Some people thought the previews were weak.
Some people thought the previews were OK.

People are now arguing with each other about which opinion is correct.

Perhaps it’s time for a lock if y’all can’t chill?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:
I’m sorry, but considering the AoS realm and 40k universe, that’s pretty minor.
When genocide and slavery are common parts of stories I think it’s past the point of what would little timmy think.

I guess there’s a link to anything if you look hard enough though and spin a few images.

There’s a big difference from “This mini portrays a genocidal monster: her personally electro-vaporized a trillion blarns!” and “This miniature reminds me of the guy who lynched my great uncle.”

If a mini reminds me of the person that lynched my great uncle then should that mini be cancelled?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:
I’m sorry, but considering the AoS realm and 40k universe, that’s pretty minor.
When genocide and slavery are common parts of stories I think it’s past the point of what would little timmy think.

I guess there’s a link to anything if you look hard enough though and spin a few images.

There’s a big difference from “This mini portrays a genocidal monster: her personally electro-vaporized a trillion blarns!” and “This miniature reminds me of the guy who lynched my great uncle.”

GW wisely avoided it by deviating from that part of the old world high elf design when making a design that works with a white paint scheme. Let's be clear that it's not GW advocating for the head swap as looking better.

JWBS wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:
I’m sorry, but considering the AoS realm and 40k universe, that’s pretty minor.
When genocide and slavery are common parts of stories I think it’s past the point of what would little timmy think.

I guess there’s a link to anything if you look hard enough though and spin a few images.

There’s a big difference from “This mini portrays a genocidal monster: her personally electro-vaporized a trillion blarns!” and “This miniature reminds me of the guy who lynched my great uncle.”

If a mini reminds me of the person that lynched my great uncle then should that mini be cancelled?

??

That’s not what is being discussed.

He conversation was:
“I can see why GW didn’t want a bunch of characters in white robes and pointy hats with their faces covered.”
“I can’t.”
“Well, people who are ignorant of fantasy elves might first think of the Klan.”
“The Warhammer factions do way worse stuff in their stories than the Klan, so why would that be a problem?”
(And this is where I responded.)

JWBS wrote:

If a mini reminds me of the person that lynched my great uncle then should that mini be cancelled?

GW didn't make the miniatures that way. Some people are advocating for a simple change to the miniatures to make them look better, but unfortunately don't see what they're making as a result.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:
I’m sorry, but considering the AoS realm and 40k universe, that’s pretty minor.
When genocide and slavery are common parts of stories I think it’s past the point of what would little timmy think.

I guess there’s a link to anything if you look hard enough though and spin a few images.

There’s a big difference from “This mini portrays a genocidal monster: her personally electro-vaporized a trillion blarns!” and “This miniature reminds me of the guy who lynched my great uncle.”

These days a cloud could offend some people as it resembles something to them.
Problems are generally only there if you dig endlessly to make them appear.

White robes aren’t inherently bad or evil.
Assuming anything that has them is as such is just plain stupidity.

Personally, I think the elves look great either way, as I am a fan of the big hats and the pointy hats. Snipped Bull Head hats can even make for some fun Chaos Dwarf hat toppers.

I never paint my minis anyway, so the white robes won’t be an issue for me. . But I see the reasoning and decided to comment.