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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Well, that would Turn then basically into reliable Budget possessed.

No, Chaos should be chaotic. If anything, the new Bile should be more random. Roll a D3, and randomly select that many units in your army. Roll a D3 for either S+1, A+1, or T+1

FLUFFY AND SUPER POWERFUL

Needs more D66 tables to be true to the faction's core.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Well, that would Turn then basically into reliable Budget possessed.

No, Chaos should be chaotic. If anything, the new Bile should be more random. Roll a D3, and randomly select that many units in your army. Roll a D3 for either S+1, A+1, or T+1

FLUFFY AND SUPER POWERFUL

Needs more D66 tables to be true to the faction's core.

Bring back the old table for boons, kick out spawndom and daemonhood result, applay instead of a trait effect to whole unit, result is = Profit.
Heck could even allow for a stratagem to fix one dice

Is 40K literally just "Buy a strat so that all your shots hit and also wound" now?

JWBS wrote:
Is 40K literally just "Buy a strat so that all your shots hit and also wound" now?

It's pretty much entered magic territory so , yes partially that is applyable.
also fishing for specific dice rolls is also something that happens.

JWBS wrote:
Is 40K literally just "Buy a strat so that all your shots hit and also wound" now?

A lot of it's also "The rules for this unit aren't very good, but rather than fix them here's a strat that should just be a special rule to make it better!".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Is 40K literally just "Buy a strat so that all your shots hit and also wound" now?

A lot of it's also "The rules for this unit aren't very good, but rather than fix them here's a strat that should just be a special rule to make it better!".

you forgot the mandatory (for some factions) HQ's and Elite charachters.

In the Adeptus Custodes Codex ist says on page 20:

"The Adeptus Custodes operate as a military force,a gathering of champions each of whom possesses unassailable authority over virtually any other organisation in the Imperium. Conversely, no Imperial agent can give a Custodian orders. Even such worthies as the High Lords of Terra and Lord Commander Guilliman are able only to request – not demand – their aid."

Follow up story:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/27/psychic-awakening-retaliation/


Brazen Drakes (former) chapter master really managed to piss someone off apparently.

Not sure how I feel about Evesor being 100% raging Khornate-style rather than very dedicated terror troop more Night Lord style.
Also I don't get why GW keeps pushing for the concept of Execution force when it really doesn't make sense, with each assassin's temple method being so different, and them not complementing each others that much. Also sending a Culexus to kill a non-psyker? Just why??

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Not sure how I feel about Evesor being 100% raging Khornate-style rather than very dedicated terror troop more Night Lord style.
Also I don't get why GW keeps pushing for the concept of Execution force when it really doesn't make sense, with each assassin's temple method being so different, and them not complementing each others that much. Also sending a Culexus to kill a non-psyker? Just why??

They are pushing this concept because it translates from their sales front. Assassins are part of the "Officio Assassinorum" faction and lore/rules are sales vehicles first and foremost. GW wants you to buy all four assassins for 100 bucks, so you get additional benefits using them together and it's also why they are being represented this way in current lore.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Not sure how I feel about Evesor being 100% raging Khornate-style rather than very dedicated terror troop more Night Lord style.
Also I don't get why GW keeps pushing for the concept of Execution force when it really doesn't make sense, with each assassin's temple method being so different, and them not complementing each others that much. Also sending a Culexus to kill a non-psyker? Just why??

Probably its more of a tradition thing, and remember: an assassin is still an assassin. At Mu 'galatha bay the culexus was the only one who actually achieved something, aka killing Aun'va, despite being apparently useless considering the oppont (Tau).

Makes me wonder what did the chapter master do to cause such a response. Such an action require the high lords consent.

Definitely liked the Culexus story the most. We also don't know if the Brazen Drakes CM has latent psychic abilities, or that they want the Culexus to get past a know psyker without being detected to gain access to the CM.

I went back and checked and guess where also i found the name Corian? In the first story. I guess Kaslyn (who we were told was the chapter master in consequences) killed himself when he started manifesting psychic powers. Then Corian becomed the new chapter master, and decided to rebel. Some weren't ok, so fighting started.

Considering its possibly a whole chapter of psykers, the culexus will be probably pretty usefull. It was going to be deployed aniway, i mean if you do it against Tau... its probably more of a formality or more of a "just in case there's something we didn't know of".

Culexus aren't just useful against Psykers. Remember that their nature can affect non-psykers too, it just isn't as big of a deal. Making someone uneasy or panicky might seem less than useful...until you realize that he's already potentially dodging through bullets, etc.

Those 4 Assassins really should be operating independently of each other since their methods are so different.

Also deployment of 4 Assassins is an extraordinary deployment of very limited resources. Huron didn't get any assigned to take him out AFAIK.

There shouldn't be enough Assassins to go around for every rebel leader.

FWIW, I suspect the Assassins will fail, if for no other reason than if they succeed then there will be no big conflict and character confrontation/duel.

An execution force does not necessarily all go after the same target. 3 of the Assassins might function as metaphorical lock picks to give the 4th the opportunity to take out the target.

Also, that is exactly how Eversors have traditionally being in the fluff, absolute murder whirlwinds that get pointed in a direction and let go. The only major conflicting fluff in regards to that story was that an Eversor would have the information uploaded to them during flight from the drop pod as they awake, as you really don't want one awake on a ship in a closed location, strapped up with restraints or not.


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Additionally, for the purpose of an execution force, I've always thought it should open up some cool special rules or even strats to show the other two temples.

A D3 mortal wound strat on a character of your choice to show an venenum has pre-poisoned.

Also, why on earth is a Vanus not conducting the operations of the execution force from orbit?

 BertBert wrote:
They are pushing this concept because it translates from their sales front.

Ok then rephrase replacing "I don't get why" with "I'm so annoyed with".

strigops wrote:
Probably its more of a tradition thing

Tradition of sending Culexus to assassinate non-psykers?

I do think they are doing the whole execution force a bit too much. Normally a single assassin is already a significant investment of resources, an entire team is pretty much aimed at extremely high value targets like Abbadon himself or equivalent Black Crusade warlords. The Brazen Drakes CM doesn't seem to warrant this level of attention, and I feel like more often than not, execution teams seem to fail (looking at you Agrellan Campaign) which just undercuts the threat the Officio Assassinorum poses as a whole.

When you have a Chapter Master going potentially renegade, that seems like a Big Deal.

I mean, who here remembers a little tiff called The Badab War starting with a Chapter Master going potentially renegade?

 Kanluwen wrote:
When you have a Chapter Master going potentially renegade, that seems like a Big Deal.

I mean, who here remembers a little tiff called The Badab War starting with a Chapter Master going potentially renegade?

I don't know if that really proves your point though, since The Badab War was on a much larger scale that involved 3 Chapters effectively going rogue and yet there were no assassins that were sent to deal with the problem. So why would a single chapter that seems to be in the midst of a chapter civil war require a full on execution squad?

Iracundus wrote:
Those 4 Assassins really should be operating independently of each other since their methods are so different.

Also deployment of 4 Assassins is an extraordinary deployment of very limited resources. Huron didn't get any assigned to take him out AFAIK.

There shouldn't be enough Assassins to go around for every rebel leader.

FWIW, I suspect the Assassins will fail, if for no other reason than if they succeed then there will be no big conflict and character confrontation/duel.

At this point I expect several of the assassins to kill each other.

Or the story never get to the point of conflict or confrontation...

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
When you have a Chapter Master going potentially renegade, that seems like a Big Deal.

I mean, who here remembers a little tiff called The Badab War starting with a Chapter Master going potentially renegade?

I don't know if that really proves your point though, since The Badab War was on a much larger scale that involved 3 Chapters effectively going rogue and yet there were no assassins that were sent to deal with the problem. So why would a single chapter that seems to be in the midst of a chapter civil war require a full on execution squad?

The Badab War didn't start out as '3 Chapters effectively going rogue'. It started with the Astral Claws, then others got involved on their side.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
When you have a Chapter Master going potentially renegade, that seems like a Big Deal.

I mean, who here remembers a little tiff called The Badab War starting with a Chapter Master going potentially renegade?

I don't know if that really proves your point though, since The Badab War was on a much larger scale that involved 3 Chapters effectively going rogue and yet there were no assassins that were sent to deal with the problem. So why would a single chapter that seems to be in the midst of a chapter civil war require a full on execution squad?

The Badab War didn't start out as '3 Chapters effectively going rogue'. It started with the Astral Claws, then others got involved on their side.

you also can't say for certain Assassins weren't deployed.

Right, but it still goes to the idea that the Imperium reacts in the manner that most would consider "wildly overescalating".

 Kanluwen wrote:
Culexus aren't just useful against Psykers. Remember that their nature can affect non-psykers too, it just isn't as big of a deal. Making someone uneasy or panicky might seem less than useful...until you realize that he's already potentially dodging through bullets, etc.

Yeah also, isn't he INVISIBLE? Like, people cannot see him. That would seem to make him kind of an ideal candidate for "assassin" regardless of what you arm him with. and the great thing is, he is invisible and can wear clothes/a funny hat, so presumably his invisibility isn't limited to his body, organs, toenails etc.




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Voss wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Those 4 Assassins really should be operating independently of each other since their methods are so different.

Also deployment of 4 Assassins is an extraordinary deployment of very limited resources. Huron didn't get any assigned to take him out AFAIK.

There shouldn't be enough Assassins to go around for every rebel leader.

FWIW, I suspect the Assassins will fail, if for no other reason than if they succeed then there will be no big conflict and character confrontation/duel.

At this point I expect several of the assassins to kill each other.

Or the story never get to the point of conflict or confrontation...

CHAOSASSINS: officio HERETICORUM WHAAAAT?

The betrayal you never expected! Now chaos armies can field the Callinister Chaossassin, the EVILsor Chaossassin, the Killexus Chaossassin and the Vindontcare Chaossassin!

the_scotsman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Culexus aren't just useful against Psykers. Remember that their nature can affect non-psykers too, it just isn't as big of a deal. Making someone uneasy or panicky might seem less than useful...until you realize that he's already potentially dodging through bullets, etc.

Yeah also, isn't he INVISIBLE? Like, people cannot see him. That would seem to make him kind of an ideal candidate for "assassin" regardless of what you arm him with. and the great thing is, he is invisible and can wear clothes/a funny hat, so presumably his invisibility isn't limited to his body, organs, toenails etc.

Not really "invisible", but it's been described as kind of being like daemons and the like? People don't want to look at them for too long, their presence confounds/disrupts 'logically' based equipment, etc.

I want to say that Mont'ka had a bit about the Culexus just walking past drones, because the drones couldn't 'understand' what they were seeing so they just refused to see it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Culexus aren't just useful against Psykers. Remember that their nature can affect non-psykers too, it just isn't as big of a deal. Making someone uneasy or panicky might seem less than useful...until you realize that he's already potentially dodging through bullets, etc.

Yeah also, isn't he INVISIBLE? Like, people cannot see him. That would seem to make him kind of an ideal candidate for "assassin" regardless of what you arm him with. and the great thing is, he is invisible and can wear clothes/a funny hat, so presumably his invisibility isn't limited to his body, organs, toenails etc.

Not really "invisible", but it's been described as kind of being like daemons and the like? People don't want to look at them for too long, their presence confounds/disrupts 'logically' based equipment, etc.

I want to say that Mont'ka had a bit about the Culexus just walking past drones, because the drones couldn't 'understand' what they were seeing so they just refused to see it.

It caused absolute havoc with the Tau but yeah gun drones cant aim at it, slowing or failing AI functions

I think it was a nice story, loved how they described the 4 different mind sets. Even if I agree an execution force is a bit too much, at least we could enjoy the vision of them all

I want to believe that GW is doing the right thing here : involving Bile means that primaris CSM will not be simple renegate primaris but rather heavily modified primaris, that could fit a CSM list in a elite or heavy slot for exemple (not as troops, as intelligent as Bile, he is only one man).

It hadn't occurred to me until just now, but given that these stories have been setting up the alibis for all of the players in WotS, what are the chances that all CSM get out of this are chapter traits to run a Bronze Drakes warband...

I mean, they do seem to be a focal point of this book's narrative and Bile did just ditch his last band of mooks to get blasted by the Death Guard.