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the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah also, isn't he INVISIBLE? Like, people cannot see him. That would seem to make him kind of an ideal candidate for "assassin" regardless of what you arm him with. and the great thing is, he is invisible and can wear clothes/a funny hat, so presumably his invisibility isn't limited to his body, organs, toenails etc.

Only one small drawback: only invisible to daemons, and he cannot assassinate them proper, just send them back in the warp. Soooo.... yeah, better used against psykers.

This was a chapter that was going rogue because everyone was becoming psychic - Culexus makes perfect sense here. And to be fair, whilst the Evesor has always been my least favourite, they've always been the "make an example, living WMD" response. To be honest I've warmed to them once I've realised that perhaps there are some situations where you can't use a marine and need to send a Doomguy instead.

Plus they teamed up with Bile, and potentially have Primaris reinforcements, the first of the 'perfected' new marines to fall. I reckon that gets you pushed up the agenda pretty damn quick.

 Kanluwen wrote:
When you have a Chapter Master going potentially renegade, that seems like a Big Deal.

I mean, who here remembers a little tiff called The Badab War starting with a Chapter Master going potentially renegade?

That was a Chapter Master who commanded oversector fleet, multiple space marine chapters, hundreds of IG and mercenary regiments, and a mini-legion of his own.

Guess what, they never sent ever one assassin after him. Must have been less important than this literally who with a couple of SM companies to his name

 Kanluwen wrote:
Making someone uneasy or panicky might seem less than useful...

If only space marines, I don't know, knew no fear or something...

But I guess this Emperor guy who proclaimed this had no idea how psychic powers or psychology work, after all, it's not like he had his private army of blanks or assassins to test SM with...

Oh wait

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah also, isn't he INVISIBLE? Like, people cannot see him. That would seem to make him kind of an ideal candidate for "assassin" regardless of what you arm him with. and the great thing is, he is invisible and can wear clothes/a funny hat, so presumably his invisibility isn't limited to his body, organs, toenails etc.

Only one small drawback: only invisible to daemons, and he cannot assassinate them proper, just send them back in the warp. Soooo.... yeah, better used against psykers.

Sorry, I was thinking of the Etherium, which just confuses and disorients everyone. As represented by his only hit on 6s rule.

Well even though we've never heard of the Brazen Drakes we don't know how important they are/were in their own sector of space,

we know little or nothing of so much of the 40K Galaxy they could be in a similar or stronger position to the Astral Claws before the Badab wars kicked off

or

maybe the alternative was the much needed custodians pulling out of a whole load of important missions across the imperium to come and help of their mate to smash the traitors. Nobody can order them to stay put to avoid messing up Guillimans plans, but if they sent out a full 4 pack of assasins they might feel it's a guaranteed kill and stay put

Bile is back on track:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/08/the-return-of-fabius-bilegw-homepage-post-2/

It is disappointing if all he has to show for his ten millennia of research for improving space marines is that stupid random chart. Especially now that the primaris exist it makes him look like an utter joke.

 Crimson wrote:
It is disappointing if all he has to show for his ten millennia of research for improving space marines is that stupid random chart. Especially now that the primaris exist it makes him look like an utter joke.

considering he does that villy nilly in the field?
Also his main focus were the new man and not astartes?

Not Online!!! wrote:

Also his main focus were the new man and not astartes?

So can I field these new men on the battlefield?

he's crap, always has been crap always will be crap . Always been a competent at all master of none character.

He's my fav fluffwise, i'd be annoyed if he was good because every meta list would have him front and center

 Crimson wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Also his main focus were the new man and not astartes?

So can I field these new men on the battlefield?

They did mention his Creations of Bile army and that we'd see it later this week. So, maybe?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Also his main focus were the new man and not astartes?

So can I field these new men on the battlefield?

They did mention his Creations of Bile army and that we'd see it later this week. So, maybe?

Let's hope so! I am just afraid that once again his creations are merely depicted with that random chart boos and nothing else.

 Crimson wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Also his main focus were the new man and not astartes?

So can I field these new men on the battlefield?

I damn well hope so!
But gw gonna gw.

"If Fabius Bile is in a detachment, you can choose to make it a Creations of Bile detachment. If you do so, Fabius Bile gains the Creations of Bile keyword, and all units in the detachment replace the <Legion> keyword with Creations of Bile. After deployment, but before the first Battle Round begins, you can roll once on the Enhanced Warrior table for each Creations of Bile unit in your army that isn't a Vehicle, Daemon, or Fabius Bile himself. If you do so, that unit also suffers D3 mortal wounds."


...to be 100% clear this isn't a rumour; it's just humour.

twitch feed today said he fabs will have legion trait, with rules like black legion etc

 Latro_ wrote:
twitch feed today said he fabs will have legion trait, with rules like black legion etc

Did they? The stream crashed for me before the end. Wonder if it will be a "9th edition style" trait that gives extra bonuses for going mono faction and affects all your army or more like what most of the legions have now, not very useful and only affects infantry, dreads, and bikers.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Also his main focus were the new man and not astartes?

So can I field these new men on the battlefield?

They did mention his Creations of Bile army and that we'd see it later this week. So, maybe?

They're aren't models for them, so no.

The New Men have fairly distinct descriptions and fighting style, and aren't covered by cultists or marines (and they're definitely not either)

 Latro_ wrote:
twitch feed today said he fabs will have legion trait, with rules like black legion etc

The trait is you get to reroll what you rolled at the end of the movement phase! Randumb! Dice!!!!!!!!

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
twitch feed today said he fabs will have legion trait, with rules like black legion etc

The trait is you get to reroll what you rolled at the end of the movement phase! Randumb! Dice!!!!!!!!

No, that's what his sidekick does.

yea it did at the end, scroll along if on pc until the frame preview is fabius and they talk about it

Actually, he allows you to adjust the d3 roll up or down 1. Not bad, since it means you have a 100% chance of giving the squad +1 Toughness.

 alextroy wrote:
Actually, he allows you to adjust the d3 roll up or down 1. Not bad, since it means you have a 100% chance of giving the squad +1 Toughness.

Different strokes for different folks. I saw it as a guaranteed +1 attack or strength.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Actually, he allows you to adjust the d3 roll up or down 1. Not bad, since it means you have a 100% chance of giving the squad +1 Toughness.

Different strokes for different folks. I saw it as a guaranteed +1 attack or strength.

Most importantly, it's a guaranteed choice between better resilience, or better close combat. Which way you'll be better at close combat is in question, but it's always between the two, which is fantastically better than before. If you need a specific close combat boost, you also have a 66.6% chance of getting it (89% with a command reroll).

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Also his main focus were the new man and not astartes?

So can I field these new men on the battlefield?

They did mention his Creations of Bile army and that we'd see it later this week. So, maybe?

Nope not that interesting - its just some sub faction rules for Chaos Marines by the look of it.... need a proper unit box for New Men and another character.

Lets face it his legion trait is gonna be the same random chart thing but it applies to the entire army from turn 1. Now if they swap dp and hbs getting it and allow cultists to get it like pre faq, that might be fun

 Latro_ wrote:
Lets face it his legion trait is gonna be the same random chart thing but it applies to the entire army from turn 1. Now if they swap dp and hbs getting it and allow cultists to get it like pre faq, that might be fun

The Charts should tbh only apply to cultists considering fabiuses Goal no, and whilest we are at it , a cultist KIT would be nice to , ya know , exist.

But then again the Black REACH koptas also don't sadly.

I'll be let down if he doesn't have at least 3 random charts to roll on to finally decipher what his creations will do and one of the results should be instantly explode and spread mortal wounds around your own units. Oh that smells like GW right there.

I feel that Fabius needs more buffs to be usable. He doesn't have an invul save, and its not like his melee is really that awesome. So, he is mostly a buffer character. And yet, he doesn't even have an aura...

Guess he is more of a thematic kind of character ...

Does anyone have the promo/leaked pic of Fabius from a few months back? I could have sworn he had 2 assistants in that one.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
I'll be let down if he doesn't have at least 3 random charts to roll on to finally decipher what his creations will do and one of the results should be instantly explode and spread mortal wounds around your own units. Oh that smells like GW right there.

I would probably set right out to make a Bile army were that the case, sounds pretty dam fun(ny).